Does the ROTJ ending celebration make sense?

[Thirdfain]

Nothing like a hot cup of Imperial apologism in the morning, eh? The Empire was brutal autocracy, and while the core worlds like Coruscant were fairly loyal, there is every reason for systems like Naboo and Bespin to celebrate wildly at the Emperor's death.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

If it is Coruscant then it was probably a riot that was dispersed or massacred by Stormtroopers.

It is definately Coruscant, as it's been refered to as precisely that, and because now the Jedi Temple and Senate Chamber are visible in the far background.

[Ace Pace]

IIRC, its refered in some EU book that the rebels spread the destruction of the Death Star and the death of Palpy over the Holo network.

[VT-16]

The game force commander shows the Coruscant Celebration happening after the planet has been liberated by the seizing of the Imperial pallace. But it may have been just a small riot for Coruscant

I´ve posted this before, that that celebration takes place years after ROTJ. I mean, who the fuck organizes fireworks display during a riot?

Just think of it as merging different events at different times.

[Lord Pounder]

IIRC, its refered in some EU book that the rebels spread the destruction of the Death Star and the death of Palpy over the Holo network.

In one of the Wraith Books one of the slicers responsible for that talks about it to Wedge, he also talked about armed stormies slaughtering those who pulled down the statue of Palpatine, women and children included.

[SCRawl]

That ending is probably the main reason why non-SW-geeks always tend to think that Star Wars is over at that point. Many people I know always go "what would the point of a new trilogy be? What's left after the Emperor and Darth Vader"? Non-fans don't accept the Extended Universe, and there's no way to convince them; they think the games and novels and comics aren't part of the actual story. No one believes me when I tell them that Boba Fett didn't die.

The SW story *is* over after RotJ. The whole story arc is about Anakin Skywalker's rise, fall, and redemption. Sure, the rest of the galaxy doesn't just all go to sleep, but that's not what Star Wars is about.

By the way: I'm a fan, and I don't accept the EU either. It's all just wishful thinking, and most of it's pretty bad from what I've seen. The fact that it maintains some semblance of canonicity is solely due to a self-serving policy by LucasFilm, designed to piss off the smallest number of fans. The day I hear George Lucas delcare that Boba Fett lived to fight another day after RotJ is the day I buy into the crap that is the EU.

[The Original Nex]

And Naboo. Palpatine was from Naboo and I assume there was a sense of pride that the Supreme Chancellor and later Emperor was from Naboo. Also I'm sure Palpatine threw his old home town a bone or two for old time's sake.

For all we know that crowd was exclusively made up of Gungans storming Theed. And the Naboo themselves didn't partake in any celebrations.

[The Original Nex]

The day I hear George Lucas delcare that Boba Fett lived to fight another day after RotJ is the day I buy into the crap that is the EU.

IIRC, in the RotJ DVD commentary he said that he would have inserted a sequence of Fett climbing out of the Sarlaac in the film if he had been able to find a good place for it.

[The Original Nex]

While you raise a good question, I think the sequence begs a bigger question, personally: how do these scenes remotely jive with the EU? They tend to suggest that not only is Palpatine dead, but the Empire itself has fallen (particularly the scenes on Coruscant). It more or less nullifies the EU's interpretation of the rise of the NR, in fact.

Actually, I thought the EU cleared this up on its own. Out of a population of trillions there's bound to be a few hundred thousand dissenters in the population. And after Mon Mothma broadcaste the destruction of teh Death Star and the death of the Emperor these dissentors came out of the cracks, formed a mob and stormed the Imperial Palace. After a short while the Government sent Imperial Guards and Stormtroopers out and they slaughtered every last demonstrator.

[Ace Pace]

The day I hear George Lucas delcare that Boba Fett lived to fight another day after RotJ is the day I buy into the crap that is the EU.

IIRC, in the RotJ DVD commentary he said that he would have inserted a sequence of Fett climbing out of the Sarlaac in the film if he had been able to find a good place for it.

Also IIRC, All major EU storylines get George Lucas approval.

[The Original Nex]

The day I hear George Lucas delcare that Boba Fett lived to fight another day after RotJ is the day I buy into the crap that is the EU.

IIRC, in the RotJ DVD commentary he said that he would have inserted a sequence of Fett climbing out of the Sarlaac in the film if he had been able to find a good place for it.

Also IIRC, All major EU storylines get George Lucas approval.

Yeah, all these EU bashers are just ignorant of the SW Canon Policy.

[SCRawl]

IIRC, in the RotJ DVD commentary he said that he would have inserted a sequence of Fett climbing out of the Sarlaac in the film if he had been able to find a good place for it.

Also IIRC, All major EU storylines get George Lucas approval.

Yeah, all these EU bashers are just ignorant of the SW Canon Policy.

Oh, I'm familiar with it. It's posted here in the PSW forum. I just see it for what it is: a convenient way for Lucas to avoid pissing off millions of fanboys. I can imagine what GL has on his desk for all of the manuscripts that get floated by: a big red stamp that says "Yeah, whatever".

[VT-16]

He doesn´t examine every single piece of EU, mostly the comics, cus they´re easy to get through, but he does participate in some brainstorming sessions. (And the CW EU was closely supervised by him, I believe.)

[NecronLord]

I always assumed that the scene where you see people take down the Emperor's statue was in Corellia, which, like Alderaan, was sympathetic to the Rebellion. If it is Coruscant then it was probably a riot that was dispersed or massacred by Stormtroopers.

It's Coruscant. It's even got the Senate in it now.

Though the ease with which they get inside the palace grounds speaks of how ineffectual the Red Guards are. The place is supposed to be a fortress. I'm thinking it may be time to point and laugh at the EU making them uberwarriors.

[Battlehymn Republic]

Regarding the red stamp image: are you kidding? The whole Star Wars Extended Universe is carefully, carefully scrutinized for consistency and such. If you want to interpret that as fan-whoring, at least interpret it as a way to make money instead of an excuse for sloppiness.

Also, Fett doesn't crawl out of the sarlacc by himself. Dengar and his girlfriend actually kill the sarlacc and dig him out, his body armor and mask melted by the digestive fluids.

I could go on, but I feel trying to explain the EU and canon to casual and non-fans (i.e. the usual laymen I know in real life) is a lost cause. It's basically like lawyering at that point.

[Lord Sander]

I´ve posted this before, that that celebration takes place years after ROTJ. I mean, who the fuck organizes fireworks display during a riot?

The fireworks need not be organized. I know the US has little in the way of the general public firing of fireworks at new years, but over here in Europe most fireworks displays are set off by the public. It takes about oh, 3 seconds to fire off a piece of firework?
People shooting them off from Coruscanti buildings in the spur of the moment is not such a stretch of the imagination.

IIRC it was Director Isard who ordered Stormtroopers to fire upon the celebrating crowd, not too long after ROTJ.

[2000AD]

the celebrants on Coruscant we see at the end of ROTJ were massacred by stormtroopers dispatched to break up the disturbance in the Allston novels (Iron Fist, IIRC.)

It was Iron Fist. Castin Donn was one of the slicers that hacked the holonetwork and broadcast the DS2 being blown up and he went to a "celebration".

The riots were crushed by stromtroopers.

Also, Fett doesn't crawl out of the sarlacc by himself. Dengar and his girlfriend actually kill the sarlacc and dig him out, his body armor and mask melted by the digestive fluids

According to Tales of the Bountie Hunters and Jabba's Palace it was Fett who killed the Sarlaac and crawled out on his own, but Dengar was the one who rescued him from the desert. It's lucky for Fett that Dengar was rooting around for salvage from Jabba's barge at the right time.

[Battlehymn Republic]

Oh, okay. I got the story wrong at that point. Boba Fett rescued himself out of the sarlacc, but Dengar and his gf rescued him from near death on the surface. Got it.

[Darth Raptor]

Yeah, the Imperial presence on Tatooine was more or less superficial in actual execution.

Was there even an official Imperial presence on Tatooine? I thought those stormtroopers were just elements of the Devastator's detachment.

[Noble Ire]

Yeah, the Imperial presence on Tatooine was more or less superficial in actual execution.

Was there even an official Imperial presence on Tatooine? I thought those stormtroopers were just elements of the Devastator's detachment.

There was a small imperial garrison on Tatooine, although I have no doubt it was only superfical, perhaps existing to make sure the Empire got a cut in some of the many illect activies that the world was a hub for. Also, consider the look of some of the sandtroopers who search the escape pod. Their armor is encrusted in sand, not something likely to occur after only a few hours planetside.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

It was actually a mix of them, at least when they were examining the escape pod, with some from Devastator meeting up with Sandtroopers from the local prefecture. In Mos Eisley I believe they were native Sandtroopers.

Tatooine definately had an Imperial presence, since it had both an Imperal governor, prefecture, and garrison located in Mos Eisley.

But besides that, the Empire's administration of the planet was more or less still rather superficial.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Though the ease with which they get inside the palace grounds speaks of how ineffectual the Red Guards are. The place is supposed to be a fortress. I'm thinking it may be time to point and laugh at the EU making them uberwarriors.

Uhm... No.

That actually conveniently explains why the riot was able to take place. Remember, the Red Guards are under the personal command of the Emperor. Which means that they take orders from--who? That's right, the Emperor--who is dead.

Now you see why the riot took place there, in fact, it was probably very cleverly planned just for the area of the Senate Hall and the Imperial Palace by the rebel organizations precisely to take advantage in the fact that the troops responsible for that sector of the city could not receive orders from any competent authority. The situation is very much like that when the Berlin Wall fell; there were East German security forces in the area, but they never received any orders to stop the crowds, so they just stood there watching. The Red Guards probably did exactly the same thing.

Moreover, since that area of Coruscant is the center of the Imperial government, it's quite possible that the normal planetary military commanders have no authority over those capitol precincts. So the Red Guard would be standing around doing nothing, and the other commanders would be milling about trying to figure out what the Hell to do in this situation, unless someone--Isard, it appears, in a rare show of competence from her--takes command of the situation by force of will and orders regular troops to move in against the demonstration, or manages to convince the local Red Guard commanders to act without orders from the Emperor, or both.

This is a very normal way in which crisises like this develop chronologically.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I always thought that place was supposed to be Monument Plaza.

[Uraniun235]

I prefer to indulge in a moment of naivete and accept it for the happy ending it's intended to be.

[Isolder74]

I always thought that place was supposed to be Monument Plaza.

I beleive it is a place called Monument Square. It is labled as such in the Monoply Star Wars game. I know it is not the best source but it is between the palace and the Senate hall.