Best NJO Jedi

[Crown]

Again, I don't mean to be combative but it's a bunch of horseshit the NJO was rife with that I rather stamp out when I spot it, please watch the movies. Luke can not read the remote's mind, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Qui-Gon can not read the battle droids' minds. And yet they have absolutely no problem with blocking their fire.

Just palying Devil's advocate here but having minds or not droids still exist in the force the Vong do not. Jedi still only have precog agasint them but the lack of force dampens it down so it only tris their danger sense at the last second.

Droids do not exist in the Force, just ask Joruus C'boath! (DFR reference - also Luke said something similar so no we can't write it off as a batshit insane clone's rantings) And it was also touched upon on Children of the Jedi (IIR the titel correctly), you know the one where that kid has to get cybernetic implants in order to read and influence droid minds.


EDIT :: Besides, in ANH it is spelled out loud and clear; Luke says he could almost see the remote - not read its thoughts!

[Crazedwraith]

Again, I don't mean to be combative but it's a bunch of horseshit the NJO was rife with that I rather stamp out when I spot it, please watch the movies. Luke can not read the remote's mind, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Qui-Gon can not read the battle droids' minds. And yet they have absolutely no problem with blocking their fire.

Just palying Devil's advocate here but having minds or not droids still exist in the force the Vong do not. Jedi still only have precog agasint them but the lack of force dampens it down so it only tris their danger sense at the last second.

Droids do not exist in the Force, just ask Joruus C'boath! (DFR reference - also Luke said something similar so no we can't write it off as a batshit insane clone's rantings) And it was also touched upon on Children of the Jedi (IIR the titel correctly), you know the one where that kid has to get cybernetic implants in order to read and influence droid minds.


EDIT :: Besides, in ANH it is spelled out loud and clear; Luke says he could almost see the remote - not read its thoughts!

Everything exists in the force, straight from Yoda in ESB. Certinally droid Consciousness may not exsist per se but the raw materials they are made do just like rocks and air.

The Vong are black holes. And referencing Conquest (the Novel not the fanfic) they sort of dampen the force around them limiting jedi perceptions similarly to the shroud of the dark side.

[Praxis]

Just palying Devil's advocate here but having minds or not droids still exist in the force the Vong do not. Jedi still only have precog agasint them but the lack of force dampens it down so it only tris their danger sense at the last second.

Droids do not exist in the Force, just ask Joruus C'boath! (DFR reference - also Luke said something similar so no we can't write it off as a batshit insane clone's rantings) And it was also touched upon on Children of the Jedi (IIR the titel correctly), you know the one where that kid has to get cybernetic implants in order to read and influence droid minds.


EDIT :: Besides, in ANH it is spelled out loud and clear; Luke says he could almost see the remote - not read its thoughts!

Everything exists in the force, straight from Yoda in ESB. Certinally droid Consciousness may not exsist per se but the raw materials they are made do just like rocks and air.

The Vong are black holes. And referencing Conquest (the Novel not the fanfic) they sort of dampen the force around them limiting jedi perceptions similarly to the shroud of the dark side.

And that's essentially what Vergere does as well. Poor Luke was extremely confused when he tried to use the force on Vergere for a mind trick

[Jason von Evil]

I always liked Corran Horn through the series. He was interesting and could kick some but when needed. He wasn't the most powerful, but I enjoyed him in the "master jedi" role better than Luke. Luke seriously bothered me throughout the whole series.

I still wish they had not killed Anakin or else he would probably have been the most powerful. But then you'd have people going on about similarities between Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker.

It's clear that they set Jacen up to be the most powerful at the end of the series.

Corran Horn rocked in NJO.
He basicly had the wisdom/skill of Luke, weaker force powers, far more experience, more intelligence and WAY more common sense.


Luke was a baby. "Well, these guys are committing genocide, but we're not going to stop them, because if we kill them to stop them from killing others we'll all go to the DARK SIDE!"

I mean, honestly, how could Luke think that between the possibility of going to the dark side, or letting EVER SENTIENT BEING IN THE GALAXY DIE, that letting everyone die is the lesser evil?

Yes and Luke ends up changing his philosophy about the force. He appears to no longer see the force as a rigid lightside/darkside system.

[Trooper TK12746]

I think the best Jedi of the NJO was Jacen, he kicked ass after he was tutored by Vergere and he had a much better view of the Force in general. Although I hated how they made it seem like he was a wishy-washy pacifist after the battle with Omni.

And Vergere's species could alter stuff naturally on the molecular level. SHe had to have a biological ability in order to do it. It was skillful, but it would be impossible for Luke to do it due to physical limitations.

[Praxis]

I think the best Jedi of the NJO was Jacen, he kicked ass after he was tutored by Vergere and he had a much better view of the Force in general. Although I hated how they made it seem like he was a wishy-washy pacifist after the battle with Omni.

And Vergere's species could alter stuff naturally on the molecular level. SHe had to have a biological ability in order to do it. It was skillful, but it would be impossible for Luke to do it due to physical limitations.

Not quite. Like she said, her species can naturally produce a very limited variety of chemicals. Using the force she can rearrange that into anything she wants, FAR beyond what anyone else of her species can.

I have never seen Luke modify a chemical or substance at a molecular level, so I say this is beyond him. The only other Jedi to do this was Jacen, and Jacen had no natural chemical production. Remember what he did to Onimi?

[Praxis]

I always liked Corran Horn through the series. He was interesting and could kick some but when needed. He wasn't the most powerful, but I enjoyed him in the "master jedi" role better than Luke. Luke seriously bothered me throughout the whole series.

I still wish they had not killed Anakin or else he would probably have been the most powerful. But then you'd have people going on about similarities between Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker.

It's clear that they set Jacen up to be the most powerful at the end of the series.

Corran Horn rocked in NJO.
He basicly had the wisdom/skill of Luke, weaker force powers, far more experience, more intelligence and WAY more common sense.


Luke was a baby. "Well, these guys are committing genocide, but we're not going to stop them, because if we kill them to stop them from killing others we'll all go to the DARK SIDE!"

I mean, honestly, how could Luke think that between the possibility of going to the dark side, or letting EVER SENTIENT BEING IN THE GALAXY DIE, that letting everyone die is the lesser evil?

Yes and Luke ends up changing his philosophy about the force. He appears to no longer see the force as a rigid lightside/darkside system.

Sure, AFTER his decisions resulted in dozens of Jedi deaths and nearly a Jedi rebellion formed by Kyp. Then when Kyp finally agreed to follow Luke, Luke said Kyp was right all along.

[Ace Pace]

I think the best Jedi of the NJO was Jacen, he kicked ass after he was tutored by Vergere and he had a much better view of the Force in general. Although I hated how they made it seem like he was a wishy-washy pacifist after the battle with Omni.

And Vergere's species could alter stuff naturally on the molecular level. SHe had to have a biological ability in order to do it. It was skillful, but it would be impossible for Luke to do it due to physical limitations.

Not quite. Like she said, her species can naturally produce a very limited variety of chemicals. Using the force she can rearrange that into anything she wants, FAR beyond what anyone else of her species can.

I have never seen Luke modify a chemical or substance at a molecular level, so I say this is beyond him. The only other Jedi to do this was Jacen, and Jacen had no natural chemical production. Remember what he did to Onimi?

I don't think thats force power, more like practice, she has FAR more years of being a Jedi then any of the New Jedi, it would be logical she has far more skill and finess then most Jedi.

[Crown]

Droids do not exist in the Force, just ask Joruus C'boath! (DFR reference - also Luke said something similar so no we can't write it off as a batshit insane clone's rantings) And it was also touched upon on Children of the Jedi (IIR the titel correctly), you know the one where that kid has to get cybernetic implants in order to read and influence droid minds.


EDIT :: Besides, in ANH it is spelled out loud and clear; Luke says he could almost see the remote - not read its thoughts!

Everything exists in the force, straight from Yoda in ESB. Certinally droid Consciousness may not exsist per se but the raw materials they are made do just like rocks and air.

The Vong are black holes. And referencing Conquest (the Novel not the fanfic) they sort of dampen the force around them limiting jedi perceptions similarly to the shroud of the dark side.

The Force can flow through a rock, not a rock exist in the Force as you suggest - and as I again remind you C'boath and Luke agreed, besides I'm pretty sure that Luke used Force push and owned many Vong, so your 'Vong are black holes' point is null and void IIRC.

[Ace Pace]

Crown, nitpick, Luke force pushed the air around the vong, not the vong themselves, however Vong DO exist in the force, Anakin was able to sense them, and later on Jacen also senses them, since I do not have the final book, but from what I gather, in the end the Vong are also part of the force.

[Crown]

Crown, nitpick, Luke force pushed the air around the vong, not the vong themselves,

Huh? Where is this from

however Vong DO exist in the force, Anakin was able to sense them, and later on Jacen also senses them, since I do not have the final book, but from what I gather, in the end the Vong are also part of the force.

Anakin could sense them (as well as Tahiri) because he used a Vong crystal in his lightsabre (sigh) and Tahiri was shaped by them (sigh). But you're right, by the end of the series the living planet returned the Force to them once again (or some shit like that). Allow me to insert a roll eyes emoticon here for the really fucked up writting;

[Ace Pace]

I belive thats how it was explained when he force pushed them.

Does anyone have a link to a summary of TUF?

[Praxis]

I think the best Jedi of the NJO was Jacen, he kicked ass after he was tutored by Vergere and he had a much better view of the Force in general. Although I hated how they made it seem like he was a wishy-washy pacifist after the battle with Omni.

And Vergere's species could alter stuff naturally on the molecular level. SHe had to have a biological ability in order to do it. It was skillful, but it would be impossible for Luke to do it due to physical limitations.

Not quite. Like she said, her species can naturally produce a very limited variety of chemicals. Using the force she can rearrange that into anything she wants, FAR beyond what anyone else of her species can.

I have never seen Luke modify a chemical or substance at a molecular level, so I say this is beyond him. The only other Jedi to do this was Jacen, and Jacen had no natural chemical production. Remember what he did to Onimi?

I don't think thats force power, more like practice, she has FAR more years of being a Jedi then any of the New Jedi, it would be logical she has far more skill and finess then most Jedi.

That's what I said. Vergere has more skill than any other Jedi. Not raw force power. But all that skill means she is stronger than any other Jedi.

[Praxis]

That was how Tahiri was able to force choke a bunch of Vong in one book (the one where she was shaped, before she was shaped she started putting pressure on the Vong by squeezing them with air molecules), but Luke never did such a thing that I recall.