Does the ROTJ ending celebration make sense?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I always thought that place was supposed to be Monument Plaza.

I beleive it is a place called Monument Square. It is labled as such in the Monoply Star Wars game. I know it is not the best source but it is between the palace and the Senate hall.

I've frankly never heard of it called Monument "Square," just "Plaza."

The Star Wars Encyclopedia, Illustrated Star Wars Universe and Essential Guide to Planets and Moons all call the place Monument Plaza, although the ISWU also referes to it as Monument Park, which could be regarding the entire actual district Monument Plaza is in.

Either way all outrank some silly boardgame, assuming it even called it "Square" in the first place.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

I prefer to indulge in a moment of naivete and accept it for the happy ending it's intended to be.

*shrugs* It's not really all that likely that it is one, however, with the EU supporting the fact that it's not.

I think I'm going to write something about this.

[Lord Woodlouse]

I prefer to indulge in a moment of naivete and accept it for the happy ending it's intended to be.

*shrugs* It's not really all that likely that it is one, however, with the EU supporting the fact that it's not.

I think I'm going to write something about this.

It seems clear to me that Lucas intended it to represent a final victory.

Of course you can use official material to argue otherwise, and pretty much win. But to me that was NOT the intent.

[MandangoWarrior]

I always thought that place was supposed to be Monument Plaza.

I beleive it is a place called Monument Square. It is labled as such in the Monoply Star Wars game. I know it is not the best source but it is between the palace and the Senate hall.

I've frankly never heard of it called Monument "Square," just "Plaza."

The Star Wars Encyclopedia, Illustrated Star Wars Universe and Essential Guide to Planets and Moons all call the place Monument Plaza, although the ISWU also referes to it as Monument Park, which could be regarding the entire actual district Monument Plaza is in.

Either way all outrank some silly boardgame, assuming it even called it "Square" in the first place.

To be honest I would not call the guide to planets and moons a "good" canon source, the drawings were hideous and some of the facts and points of interest were kinda lame.

[Noble Ire]

To be honest I would not call the guide to planets and moons a "good" canon source, the drawings were hideous and some of the facts and points of interest were kinda lame.

Yeah, and the cover of Heir to the Empire is lame, so the book must suck too!

Considering this is your first post, I shall let you of with that.

[Stark]

It seems clear to me that Lucas intended it to represent a final victory.

Of course you can use official material to argue otherwise, and pretty much win. But to me that was NOT the intent.

Inside SOD, who the fuck cares about intent. It wasn't the intent to depopulate Endor either, remember? Those celebrations are either ages later, with time cuts, or they're right after the announcement. It's unsurprising there were people ready to riot at the Emperors death, but to magically assume the forces of law and order were impotent is retarded.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Inside SOD, who the fuck cares about intent. It wasn't the intent to depopulate Endor either, remember? Those celebrations are either ages later, with time cuts, or they're right after the announcement. It's unsurprising there were people ready to riot at the Emperors death, but to magically assume the forces of law and order were impotent is retarded.

Not only that, but Lucas intended for there to be three more episodes after ROTJ originally, so even if we are arguing about his intent, it's clear that things were not yet happily ever after.

[Battlehymn Republic]

Well, hey- as well-disciplined and stolid the Imperial troops were, the death of their two most powerful leaders must cause them to falter a bit, astonished and speechless as the civilians celebrate.

Besides, without the EU, the Empire is evil and powerful, but not quite as devious and non-cliche, in the sense that they've already thought of every possibility and have secondary bridges on Star Destroyers and whatnot. That is, at the fall of the Emperor, even the most zealous of Imperials must be too dismayed to do anything- at first.

[Jade Falcon]

One of hte Dark Horse graphic novels, Mara Jade:The Emperors Hand, showed a scene with Isard, and it mentioned that 'those disgusting celebrations were dealt with' and a bit was shown with Stormtroopers firing at crowds.

[Elfdart]

While you raise a good question, I think the sequence begs a bigger question, personally: how do these scenes remotely jive with the EU? They tend to suggest that not only is Palpatine dead, but the Empire itself has fallen (particularly the scenes on Coruscant). It more or less nullifies the EU's interpretation of the rise of the NR, in fact.

No great loss.

[Elfdart]

That ending is probably the main reason why non-SW-geeks always tend to think that Star Wars is over at that point. Many people I know always go "what would the point of a new trilogy be? What's left after the Emperor and Darth Vader"? Non-fans don't accept the Extended Universe, and there's no way to convince them; they think the games and novels and comics aren't part of the actual story. No one believes me when I tell them that Boba Fett didn't die.

I'm a fan, and I don't accept the EU either, since most of it is closer to the Holiday Special than it is to the movies. I like cross-sections books and photo albums, but that's about it.

I prefer to indulge in a moment of naivete and accept it for the happy ending it's intended to be.

Same here.

[Lusankya]

My big complaint with the changing of the ending was that they got rid of the yub yub song.

The yub yub song, I say! The yub yub song!

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I beleive it is a place called Monument Square. It is labled as such in the Monoply Star Wars game. I know it is not the best source but it is between the palace and the Senate hall.

I've frankly never heard of it called Monument "Square," just "Plaza."

The Star Wars Encyclopedia, Illustrated Star Wars Universe and Essential Guide to Planets and Moons all call the place Monument Plaza, although the ISWU also referes to it as Monument Park, which could be regarding the entire actual district Monument Plaza is in.

Either way all outrank some silly boardgame, assuming it even called it "Square" in the first place.

To be honest I would not call the guide to planets and moons a "good" canon source, the drawings were hideous and some of the facts and points of interest were kinda lame.

Yeah, you know what? If that's the kind of logic you're used to, you can shut the hell up.

[Glimmervoid]

I don’t see why there is any problem at all. The people were celebrating because the emperor was dead they may have even thought that that was the end of the empire that dose not make it so.

Just remember this.

Charters in movies portray humans and as such are fallible.

[NecronLord]

Uhm... No.

That actually conveniently explains why the riot was able to take place. Remember, the Red Guards are under the personal command of the Emperor. Which means that they take orders from--who? That's right, the Emperor--who is dead.

ping

That is the sound of humour bouncing off the wall behind and above your head.

I am well aware of various EU sources saying the Red Guards were either with the Emperor or on Field Rotation at the time.

[RedImperator]

That ending is probably the main reason why non-SW-geeks always tend to think that Star Wars is over at that point. Many people I know always go "what would the point of a new trilogy be? What's left after the Emperor and Darth Vader"? Non-fans don't accept the Extended Universe, and there's no way to convince them; they think the games and novels and comics aren't part of the actual story. No one believes me when I tell them that Boba Fett didn't die.

I'm a fan, and I don't accept the EU either, since most of it is closer to the Holiday Special than it is to the movies. I like cross-sections books and photo albums, but that's about it.

I'd be willing to accept the EU if it didn't suck a pig's ass.

[BigBeaner]

Hmm...read too much you into this once again. There is a lot of missing information in ROTS indeed but use your brain for a second and realize this that Lucas has announced a) a live action and a cartoon tv shows set in this era between ROTS and ANH and b) the large comic and novel fan base. Obviously seeing the people who were loyal to the republic turn and hate the emperor is clearly material worth saving for the 2 tv shows, comics, books, toys, video games.

Just got to calm down and wait a little while. We'll see the real reason why they are celebrating so much that they are.

[Noble Ire]

I'd be willing to accept the EU if it didn't suck a pig's ass.

*Hands RedImperator the Overgeneralizing Hater Sticker*

Congrads.

[Cykeisme]

My big complaint with the changing of the ending was that they got rid of the yub yub song.

The yub yub song, I say! The yub yub song!

Generations to come with be born, will live their lives, and will die, watching Star Wars in its entirety but never knowing the yub yub song.

I weep for these people. Do you weep, too, Lusankya?

[Darth Yoshi]

Inside SOD, who the fuck cares about intent. It wasn't the intent to depopulate Endor either, remember? Those celebrations are either ages later, with time cuts, or they're right after the announcement. It's unsurprising there were people ready to riot at the Emperors death, but to magically assume the forces of law and order were impotent is retarded.

Not only that, but Lucas intended for there to be three more episodes after ROTJ originally, so even if we are arguing about his intent, it's clear that things were not yet happily ever after.

I remember reading or hearing somewhere that ROTJ was what Lucas originally intended for 6-9. I think it was in the bonus material for the OT DVD set, but I'm not sure.

[Oskuro]

Greetings to all. I admit I'm not much into the EU, so I won't theorize about the events after ROTJ, but regarding to the public opinion on the Empire, if I recall correctly, when we first see Tarkin in Episode VI, he is announcing that the Emperor has disbanded the Senate, and upon being asked how does he intend to keep control, he replies that it will be done through fear.

My opinion here is that, even when there was popular acclaim to the founding of the Empire, it eventually degenerated into a police-state of sorts. Couple this with the massive military spendings that Palpatine must have issued, and it is not all that hard to picture increasing opposition to his government. In fact, he intended to use the Death Star as a means of ensuring no one opposed him. I belive his interest in destroying the rebel Alliance was, primarily, to avoid further internal rebellion as he no longer had the type of support he used to have.

So, it is understandable that, upon his demise, detractors took the streets and celebrated.

And about the fireworks... I find it more likely that people spontaneously used fireworks on Coruscant, than that the Alliance had fireworks ready for the Endor celebration just in case they won (I bet those weren't really fireworks, but maybe flares or something from the fighters, but well, that's a different issue)

P.S. My first post! Weee! Also, I'm a non-english speaker, please excuse my spelling.

[VT-16]

I remember reading or hearing somewhere that ROTJ was what Lucas originally intended for 6-9.

I think it was mentioned somewhere about 7-9 would have Luke turn to the dark side, meet his sister (not Leia) and together they destroy the Emperor (who would not be seen until episode 9).

In other words, Dark Empire I.