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Hydrogen car conversion kit?

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How does this sound -- a conversion kit that would allow your car to run on clean, plentiful hydrogen? It's in the works in New Mexico, and the name of the guy who is building it may ring a bell. He's Bob Lazar, and 16 years ago he told the I-Team's George Knapp about Area 51 and said scientists there were studying UFOs. He dropped out of sight, but George caught up with him.

As a teenager, Bob Lazar built a jet-powered bicycle, then a jet Honda, then a jet dragster. These day's he's focused on a different propulsion system. Bob Lazar, former government scientist, said, "Every vehicle we have here is powered by hydrogen."

At his new home in rural New Mexico, Lazar has been working on a conversion kit that will turn any car into a hydrogen hybrid. His two vehicles have already been converted and can travel up to 450 miles on hydrogen, then switch automatically back to gasoline. Lazar wants to take it a step further.

Lazar said, "Every major car company is working on a hydrogen system, but the only difference is, they want to sell you a new hydrogen car and sell you hydrogen gas at hydrogen gas stations. Basically, we're making a conversion kit you can use in your own car and instead of buying hydrogen from someone else, you make it."

He makes hydrogen using water and a solar powered generator. But again, with a Lazar twist. "It's the only particle accelerator on the block, I guarantee ya."

The small lab behind his home has a 30-foot long particle accelerator he built from scratch. He uses it to produce metal hydrides, which absorb hydrogen gas like a sponge and make it much safer to use as a fuel.

Lazar says, "You can do that with ordinary metal hydrides but we found a way to manipulate the atomic structure to change things. It's worked fantastically."

George Knapp teases, "It almost sounds like you're a real scientist."

Lazar replies, "That's what they tell me."

It's an inside joke based on the ridicule Lazar has faced ever since he went public in 1989 with his claims that he worked on flying saucers in the Nevada desert. The military refused to answer any questions about Lazar or his claims, nor could we verify much of anything about his life.

Lazar told us he previously worked at Los Alamos National Lab. The lab repeatedly denied it, even after we found Lazar's name in the lab phone book. His critics say that since he can't prove he ever earned a college degree, he can't be a real scientist, even if he can build jet engines, hydrogen systems and particle accelerators.

Is there a way to prove any part of his story? Maybe. In 1989, Lazar claimed the ET saucers he worked on could produce their own gravity. This propulsion was made possible by a superheavy substance Lazar called Element 115. What is the problem with this story? Element 115 did not exist in 1989. Now, however, it does.

Scientists at the Lawrence Livermore Lab created a miniscule amount of 115 last year. A profound development, but the material decayed almost instantly. So where did the government get 500 pounds of the stuff, which is what Lazar claimed long ago?

Lazar says, "It has to come from some place where it's natural, like from a super nova."

In other words, it comes from a solar system other than ours. Lazar's critics say the fact that 115 as created in a lab is unstable and fleeting proves Lazar is a liar. Lazar says the first batch was only a starting point and that he will be proven right in the long run.

"I'd like to see them continue to work and produce different isotopes of 115 because they're gonna come up with a handful of different varieties and they're gonna come up with a stable isotope, and that's what we're interested," he countered.

By no means does he dwell on being proven right. He and his wife have left the UFO crowd far behind and could care less, they say. Lazar stands by his original story, but says, "I can't say I would do it again. I would probably keep my mouth shut this time."

George Knapp inquired, "But you must get a twinge about the program."

Lazar said, "Oh sure. I mean, who wouldn't like to go back and see what they're doing now? But on the other hand, I'd rather be here."

Earlier this year, British scientists say they demonstrated an anti-gravity system that appears to be based on the theories revealed years ago by Lazar. Some scientists say it's proof that what Lazar said about Element 115 is true after all.

The I-Team will let you know how it comes out.
Now, this guy seems a bit of a nutter, but my brother met him (friend of his wife's family) and his hydrogen stuff seems on the level. Now, instead of arguing about this guy's supposed alien/Area 51 involvements, what's say we talk about whether or not his fuel cell thing seems viable.

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This is a guy who's been a guest on the Art Bell show. He's also had these fanciful claims of working with flying saucers and such.

He's a conspiracy-theorist nutcase, pure and simple.
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Normal engines can be convertered without that much work. I mean I am sure it is not much harder than the Compressed Natural Gas kits are being sold for around 2 grand. It is combusion, it takes the same idea as any other combustable. The thing you would have to worry about most though would be Rust inside the engine. (Actually I have heard CNG systems will be able to be easily convered to Hydrogen kits with a couple of tweaks, but I do not know this for a fact)
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:This is a guy who's been a guest on the Art Bell show. He's also had these fanciful claims of working with flying saucers and such.

He's a conspiracy-theorist nutcase, pure and simple.
So, you didn't read my opening post, then? He may be a nutter, but my brother has ridden in the hydrogen-converted car he built.
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The corvette??!
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Hmm intresting, to be fair I automaticly downgrade my first impression of anyone who has appeared on Art Bell's show
But then anyone who has a 30-foot long particle accelerator he built from scratch in his backyard gets me intrested

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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:This is a guy who's been a guest on the Art Bell show. He's also had these fanciful claims of working with flying saucers and such.

He's a conspiracy-theorist nutcase, pure and simple.
I guess that makes his cars and jet engines not work, then. Even though they do.
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He may be a nutter, but he is a smart nutter to be assured. A jet engine, a particle accelerator. He certainly knows what he is doing, and the government seems at little to interested in denying anything about him. It'd be interested in seeing how his hydrogen conversion kit works. That would be the selling point for me.
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I was under the impression that the problem with hydrogen-powered vehicles was setting up the infrastructure to support and fuel them, not any technological problems with the engine itself.
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SPOOFE wrote:I was under the impression that the problem with hydrogen-powered vehicles was setting up the infrastructure to support and fuel them, not any technological problems with the engine itself.
1) Storage is not as efficient as with gas
2) Metal embrittlement from hydrogen(no solution)

This conversion kit in question has it's own generator though.

This Lazar guy is the one running unitednuclear.com, which I have posted plenty about before.
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His Divine Shadow wrote:The corvette??!
Yeah, he said it was a very quiet ride on hydrogen. The man also built a radio scrambler that he uses to get out of tickets. The way he is described to me is "slacker-genius" or at least a rather unconventional one.
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Thats a shame, the quietness I mean, noise is good!
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Stark wrote:No, it really isn't. Noise is food for the bogan inside your soul.
Yes it really, really IS!
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