Another Creationism hate-mail

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-06-01 01:30pm

Someone calling himself "Elim Garak" sent this one:

Dude, I was bored tonight, went to read what people were saying about Ep3, and wondered over to your creationist site.

As I said before, you sound like a complete jackass (well, partial jackass) there. Not because of your points, with which I totally agree (who is this god person anyway, and what's his/her/its address so I could go kick its ass) but because of the way you say things. From what I read of the e-mail threads on creationism the people were trying to be very polite to you. But you sounded extremely superioir and pissed off. Granted, you have a reason to feel that - which does not mean that it is polite to do so just because people were raised differently.

My guess is that most of these people either have blinders that they grew up with, or don't have a sufficient education to debate with you. In other words, all of them are "special" in their own ways. Doesn't mean you have to be snide with them even before they gave you a reason!

------ eviromental variables ------
REMOTE ADDR: 63.224.46.224
BROWSER: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; WOW64; SV1)

I'd love to know how anyone reads through those hate mails and concludes that I was unfair to the people who wrote them. Don't you love these "I completely agree with you, but ... it's wrong for you to act as though you know you're right" E-mails?

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2005-06-01 01:33pm

Just another idiot with the "Let's all act nice, okay, ya hear?" complex, obviously not realizing that the people who sent hate mail usually had no interest in listening, so there was no real need to be diplomatic to them as long as what you said made sense and wasn't just personal attacks.

Drunk Monkey · Post by **Drunk Monkey** » 2005-06-01 01:37pm

Darth Wong wrote:Someone calling himself "Elim Garak" sent this one:
Dude, I was bored tonight, went to read what people were saying about Ep3, and wondered over to your creationist site.

As I said before, you sound like a complete jackass (well, partial jackass) there. Not because of your points, with which I totally agree (who is this god person anyway, and what's his/her/its address so I could go kick its ass) but because of the way you say things. From what I read of the e-mail threads on creationism the people were trying to be very polite to you. But you sounded extremely superioir and pissed off. Granted, you have a reason to feel that - which does not mean that it is polite to do so just because people were raised differently.

My guess is that most of these people either have blinders that they grew up with, or don't have a sufficient education to debate with you. In other words, all of them are "special" in their own ways. Doesn't mean you have to be snide with them even before they gave you a reason!

------ eviromental variables ------
REMOTE ADDR: 63.224.46.224
BROWSER: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; WOW64; SV1)
I'd love to know how anyone reads through those hate mails and concludes that I was unfair to the people who wrote them. Don't you love these "I completely agree with you, but ... it's wrong for you to act as though you know you're right" E-mails?

The man is probably just another fundi standing up for his buddies. I can’t see how he can think you were being a jackass. The bigoted rednecks e-mailed you telling you how wrong you are, DW. When you are right about this stuff, and they’re telling you how hateful you are when they believe that the government style of the Dark Ages was the one that works.

Post by **Edi** » 2005-06-01 01:42pm

As I recall from some snippets of ASVS history I've seen bandied about, this guy is probably one of the old time Trekkie trolls who reputedly had a very strong IWOI and has a grudge against you. I remember the name in that context. Some of the SB.com people probably know more.

Edi

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-01 01:47pm

Yeah, let's be nice to the fundies, who tell us every other day that we'll go to hell.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-06-01 01:48pm

Darth Wong wrote:Someone calling himself "Elim Garak" sent this one:

Congratulations. You just got mailed by one of the great Trektards.

And he's defending Creationism. Is anyone surprised?

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-01 01:51pm

Nitpick: he agreed that creationism was incorrect in his e-mail, so technically, he wasn't defending it. He was defending creationists, though.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-06-01 01:53pm

wolveraptor wrote:Nitpick: he agreed that creationism was incorrect in his e-mail, so technically, he wasn't defending it. He was defending creationists, though.

My peril-sensitive glasses have blocked out everything Anton Polinger writes since the 90s.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2005-06-01 01:55pm

What a myopic limp-dick. I suppose he typed that drivel up thinking it actually said anything of merit?

Makes me glad my webpage only generates two kinds of emails: positive praise/inqueries and positive vagueness/rambling.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2005-06-01 02:03pm

I've read the Creationism hate-mail exchanges. Mike is certainly brusque, especially as they drag on, but nowhere near as nasty as he gets in the SWvST hate mail, which in turn is usually more restrained and polite than his posts in debates on the board.

That NOS Guy · Post by **That NOS Guy** » 2005-06-01 02:32pm

Why do people think being civil extends to this?

For someone to think that civility can exist in these kinds of debates, it strikes me as naive, and almost as an excuse for a copout of "well, it's okay I still believe what I want at the end of the debate without taking anything you said into stock."

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2005-06-01 02:51pm

I love the smell of 'Style Over Substance' horseshit in the afternoon summer sun!!

I recognize Elim Garak (why do the worst ones always pick stupid Cardassian names?) from the IFTaI over at Daltonator. BIGASS Trektard as Nitram pointed out.

Elim Garak the Apologist Trektard's Browser wrote:BROWSER: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; WOW64; SV1)

Enjoy your buggy, spyware-ingected popup-riddled Idiot Exploiter, fucktard.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2005-06-01 02:53pm

That NOS Guy wrote:Why do people think being civil extends to this?

For someone to think that civility can exist in these kinds of debates, it strikes me as naive, and almost as an excuse for a copout of "well, it's okay I still believe what I want at the end of the debate without taking anything you said into stock."

You just answered your own question without realizing it. It IS a copout!

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-06-01 02:56pm

Is this the Elim from ASVS? Not that it's beyond possibility, I just found it somewhat odd.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-06-01 03:05pm

Darth Wong wrote:Someone calling himself "Elim Garak" sent this one:

Are you going to honour him with a response on your hatemail page, since he adresses a core aspect of your style?

Elim Garak wrote:Dude, I was bored tonight, went to read what people were saying about Ep3, and wondered over to your creationist site.

As I said before, you sound like a complete jackass (well, partial jackass) there. Not because of your points, with which I totally agree (who is this god person anyway, and what's his/her/its address so I could go kick its ass) but because of the way you say things. From what I read of the e-mail threads on creationism the people were trying to be very polite to you. But you sounded extremely superioir and pissed off. Granted, you have a reason to feel that - which does not mean that it is polite to do so just because people were raised differently.

Well, you are pissed off by creationism, right? Anyway, didn't their "polite" mails usually adress points that were covered on the site?

Elim Garak wrote:My guess is that most of these people either have blinders that they grew up with, or don't have a sufficient education to debate with you. In other words, all of them are "special" in their own ways. Doesn't mean you have to be snide with them even before they gave you a reason!

The reason was given when they sent their bullshit hatemail. "Special", my ass. He maintains that perhaps they grew up with blinders or didn't receive an adequate education, but fails to point out why diplomacy is a better response to their nonsense.

Besides, if they read the site they know what to expect when writing you mail, don't they? Or perhaps not... perhaps you should put a label on your mailing link "Warning: if you send me hatemail, expect flames."

I'd love to know how anyone reads through those hate mails and concludes that I was unfair to the people who wrote them. Don't you love these "I completely agree with you, but ... it's wrong for you to act as though you know you're right" E-mails?

Bah, typical style over substance bullshit. Or perhaps he wants a "fair and balanced" treatment of the subject of evolution vs creation. I'd simply counter with "Don't cramp my style, man!"

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-01 03:09pm

Don't even use the words "Fair and Balanced." They give me migraines nowadays.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-06-01 03:40pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Is this the Elim from ASVS? Not that it's beyond possibility, I just found it somewhat odd.

Might be checking out the haunts of his old opponents. Nothing odd about it in my mind.

wolveraptor wrote:Don't even use the words "Fair and Balanced." They give me migraines nowadays.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-06-01 04:02pm

Well, Anton should know about people being awfully mean to him. Ever since days of the Elim Garak FAQ, his peers have shown the disconcerting habit of making him eat his many, many mistakes whenever they manifest.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2005-06-01 04:06pm

Is this the same Elim Garak that has 36 posts on this board and has already landed a V.I. title?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-06-01 04:22pm

Well, if it really is the same "Elim Garak" that used to spew his tripe on ASVS, it's not surprising that he is offended by contempt for stupidity in general. People always get emotional about something that hits close to home.

Jarl Sven · Post by **Jarl Sven** » 2005-06-01 04:44pm

Of course the irony here is that his argument that you shouldn't be rude is in fact quite… rude

It is your web site
Kept up with your money and your time and effort

If you wanted to be a jackass or not it really isn't his business
Especially in an unsolicited e-mail

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2005-06-02 12:08am

He thinks stupid people are "special" because of their stupidity.

Okkkk

I suppose he must feel very special now.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » 2005-06-02 01:08am

One idea I have is to do what he says the opposite of doing - in which case, just be an asshole to him. I don't see any long term benefits, but I'd imagine it'd generate quite a satisfying feeling.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-06-02 06:53am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:I love the smell of 'Style Over Substance' horseshit in the afternoon summer sun!!

I recognize Elim Garak (why do the worst ones always pick stupid Cardassian names?) from the IFTaI over at Daltonator. BIGASS Trektard as Nitram pointed out.
Elim Garak the Apologist Trektard's Browser wrote:BROWSER: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; WOW64; SV1)
Enjoy your buggy, spyware-ingected popup-riddled Idiot Exploiter, fucktard.

Thats IE 6.0 running under WinXP sp2 64bit.

64bit spyware cant run under 64bit IE. So there is jack and all spyware around for it, in addition to using service pack 2 lockdown of IE.

Please, keep the senseless bashing for stuff which actually should have it directed to it.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-06-02 06:55am

ggs wrote: 64bit spyware cant run under 64bit IE.

That should be 32bit spyware!

32bit DLLs/ActiveX just is not supported in a 64bit process under 64bit versions of windows. Same goes for 64bit DLLs/activeX under 32bit processes.

StarDestroyer.Net BBS

Another Creationism hate-mail

Another Creationism hate-mail

Re: Another Creationism hate-mail

Re: Another Creationism hate-mail

Re: Another Creationism hate-mail