phasers vs. droidikas

[Adam Reynolds]

How many phaser shots would it take to destroy a droidika:
without shield
with sheild

how many redshirts would it take

[Batman]

Given that actual phaser yield is next to impossible to calculate that's moderately pointless I think.

[Drunk Monkey]

With Shield
I would guess maybe 400 shots, but honestly I have no clue

Without
One Lucky shot from a red shirt with his phaser on maximum setting.
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[Batman]

With Shield
I would guess maybe 400 shots, but honestly I have no clue
Without
One Lucky shot from a red shirt with his phaser on maximum setting.
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And you base this on...what, exactly?

[Glimmervoid]

Well phasers seem to have difficulty hurting mettle on anything but a sustained full power beam (DS9 assignation attempt and the floor or railings were not even slightly cut) it is totally up in the air as to weather they could do it.

[Drunk Monkey]

With Shield
I would guess maybe 400 shots, but honestly I have no clue
Without
One Lucky shot from a red shirt with his phaser on maximum setting.
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And you base this on...what, exactly?

The with shields is a guess because a phaser shot is incalculable. The with out is based on the fact that maximum setting on a phaser vaporizes the enemy into thin air.

[Batman]

Well phasers seem to have difficulty hurting mettle on anything but a sustained full power beam (DS9 assignation attempt and the floor or railings were not even slightly cut) it is totally up in the air as to weather they could do it.

1. It's metal.
2. We have at the very least one canon example of a hand phaser completely phasorising a metal cooking pot (a TOS phaser, no less).
So, until you produce some numbers you'll excuse me if I ignore your comments because they are completely baseless drivel.

[Glimmervoid]

With Shield
I would guess maybe 400 shots, but honestly I have no clue
Without
One Lucky shot from a red shirt with his phaser on maximum setting.
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And you base this on...what, exactly?

The with shields is a guess because a phaser shot is incalculable. The with out is based on the fact that maximum setting on a phaser vaporizes the enemy into thin air.

But they are clearly not vaporised (no exploding steam) they are pushed in to subspace or some such.

[Drunk Monkey]

And you base this on...what, exactly?

The with shields is a guess because a phaser shot is incalculable. The with out is based on the fact that maximum setting on a phaser vaporizes the enemy into thin air.

But they are clearly not vaporised (no exploding steam) they are pushed in to subspace or some such.

True. But you have to wonder what those poor son’s of a bitch’s go through when being shot with those dammed things.

[Batman]

But they are clearly not vaporised (no exploding steam) they are pushed in to subspace or some such.

Correct. Maybe you are smart after all.
And that quantifies a phaser's ability (or lack thereof) to affect Wars Droideka armor-how?

[Glimmervoid]

Well phasers seem to have difficulty hurting mettle on anything but a sustained full power beam (DS9 assignation attempt and the floor or railings were not even slightly cut) it is totally up in the air as to weather they could do it.

1. It's metal.
2. We have at the very least one canon example of a hand phaser completely phasorising a metal cooking pot (a TOS phaser, no less).
So, until you produce some numbers you'll excuse me if I ignore your comments because they are completely baseless drivel.

You admited in your first post that numbers are imposible.

Given that actual phaser yield is next to impossible to calculate that's moderately pointless I think.

I was pointing out that in an episode of DS9 we see a disruptor (comparable to phasers I would feel) get used in an assassination attempt. The weapon is knocked from the assassin hand and the beam slices across the floor and a railing and there was no observable damage.

This shows that a sustained beam is needed to damage mettle which would be hard to impossible with the droid returning fire.

[Glimmervoid]

But they are clearly not vaporised (no exploding steam) they are pushed in to subspace or some such.

Correct. Maybe you are smart after all.
And that quantifies a phaser's ability (or lack thereof) to affect Wars Droideka armor-how?

It is a reason as to why energy yield calculations (for vaporisation) can not be used nothing more.

[Glimmervoid]

And a reason as to why the vaporisation of a human (or human like) opponent is inadmissible as evidence to a phasers ability to damage a mettle droid.

[Batman]

You admited in your first post that numbers are imposible.

Given that actual phaser yield is next to impossible to calculate that's moderately pointless I think.

I was pointing out that in an episode of DS9 we see a disruptor (comparable to phasers I would feel) get used in an assassination attempt. The weapon is knocked from the assassin hand and the beam slices across the floor and a railing and there was no observable damage.
This shows that a sustained beam is needed to damage mettle which would be hard to impossible with the droid returning fire.

No it doesn't.
1. It's metal Valendamnyou.
2. As NDF weapons do NOT work by DET, no it does NOT neccessarily require a sustained beam to affect metal just because a short burst didn't do anyting.
In fact, ST VI shows quite clearly that it doesn't.
Does the term 'power setting' mean anything to you?

[Glimmervoid]

You admited in your first post that numbers are imposible.

Given that actual phaser yield is next to impossible to calculate that's moderately pointless I think.

I was pointing out that in an episode of DS9 we see a disruptor (comparable to phasers I would feel) get used in an assassination attempt. The weapon is knocked from the assassin hand and the beam slices across the floor and a railing and there was no observable damage.
This shows that a sustained beam is needed to damage mettle which would be hard to impossible with the droid returning fire.

No it doesn't.
1. It's metal Valendamnyou.
2. As NDF weapons do NOT work by DET, no it does NOT neccessarily require a sustained beam to affect metal just because a short burst didn't do anyting.
In fact, ST VI shows quite clearly that it doesn't.
Does the term 'power setting' mean anything to you?

1. I am sorry I am dyslexic and it is 00.15
2. But since we know that phasers can hurt metal and a short burst did not do it, it is logical to assume a longer burst is needed.

And a cooking pan chosen for its thermal conductive not its durability (density?) is such a good thing to base an argument off.
Also I would assume that in an assassination attempt max power setting would be used to insure a kill.

[Batman]

1. I am sorry I am dyslexic and it is 00.15

I apologize. If it's any consolation it's 0118 hours here.

2. But since we know that phasers can hurt metal and a short burst did not do it, it is logical to assume a longer burst is needed.

Sorry but no it isn't. Phasers are a) dial-a-yield and b)non-DET so that doesn't mean a thing.

[Glimmervoid]

1. I am sorry I am dyslexic and it is 00.15

I apologize. If it's any consolation it's 0118 hours here.

2. But since we know that phasers can hurt metal and a short burst did not do it, it is logical to assume a longer burst is needed.

Sorry but no it isn't. Phasers are a) dial-a-yield and b)non-DET so that doesn't mean a thing.

So are you saying that some metal is totally immune to phaser fire?

[Ender]

With a shield - no idea. We haven't seen anything that indicates the limits of droideka shields (and there is no evidence the one shot in the arena had shields, it seems that the security model has them but the standard infantry model does not).

Without shields - Depends on where they hit and how well phasers work on their armor.

That said, I wouldn't give your average redshirt very good odds in gettng a chance to shoot it, I think the droid would smoke them too fast. Remember, the only reliable strategy the Jedi could come up with to handle these things consists of RUN!

[Batman]

So are you saying that some metal is totally immune to phaser fire?

You should talk to brianeyci about how I feel about phasers at some time.
No, I do most certainly not think that some metals are immune to phasers.
Nevertheless, that does NOT mean that simply being made of metal makes something immune to phasers.
As that cooking pot found out the hard way.

[Glimmervoid]

So are you saying that some metal is totally immune to phaser fire?

You should talk to brianeyci about how I feel about phasers at some time.
No, I do most certainly not think that some metals are immune to phasers.
Nevertheless, that does NOT mean that simply being made of metal makes something immune to phasers.
As that cooking pot found out the hard way.

That pot was not very big and yes before you say it yes size dose matter. If it did not the ship some one was standing on would disappear along with there cloths (you boots are just as connected with you as the floor of a ship).

Also there must be some property of matter that makes some things more resistant than other. What do you think it is? Could it be density (they were unable to do anything to neutroneum which is super dense)?

[Batman]

What do you think it is? Could it be density?

Density happens to be the most popular suspect for what phaser efficinency depends upon, yes.

[Glimmervoid]

What do you think it is? Could it be density?

Density happens to be the most popular suspect for what phaser efficinency depends upon, yes.

So now all we need is the density of durra steel, what that cook pot was made out off and what the floors in trek are made out of and we could get an answer.

[Batman]

So now all we need is the density of durra steel, what that cook pot was made out off and what the floors in trek are made out of and we could get an answer.

No we can't.
NDF is a completely technobabble mechanism, so while it seems to be less effective against dense materials judging how much less effective it will be against a material of a given density is still guesswork.

[LordShaithis]

What he's getting at is that droideka armor is likely a bit denser and more resilient than a soup pot out of the Enterprise galley.

[Kamakazie Sith]

What he's getting at is that droideka armor is likely a bit denser and more resilient than a soup pot out of the Enterprise galley.

I don't think anyone is saying that a phaser would vaporize a droid deka, but that doesn't mean that it won't blast a nice hole clean through it.

The phasers don't work against metal belief has clearly been exaggerated to level ridiculous.