The Vong meet the CIS.

[Murazor]

Just a little debate inspired by Episode III.

The Separatist Fleet heading for Coruscant in the movie with Grievous and Dooku on board took the wrong turn and got lost in hyperspace. After briefly wondering WTF happened, Palpatine proclaimed the Galactic Empire and things happened just as in the original timeline.

Now, the CIS fleet has reappeared. They are in the Vector Prime region of the Outer Rim just as the Vong are about to invade the galaxy to conquer the infidels and bla, bla, bla.

Now, as for the questions:

1) How will change things with the Separatist presence?
2) Will Dooku be able to claim the title of Sith Master from Lady Darth Lumiya (who I think held it at this point)?
3) In a combat between a Magnaguard and a Vong warrior with their usual weapons, who wins?
4) How many Vong would be needed to defeat General Grievous with his four lightsabers?

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

Wasn't there a thread about this exact subject just a few days ago?

[Praxis]

Just a little debate inspired by Episode III.

The Separatist Fleet heading for Coruscant in the movie with Grievous and Dooku on board took the wrong turn and got lost in hyperspace. After briefly wondering WTF happened, Palpatine proclaimed the Galactic Empire and things happened just as in the original timeline.

Now, the CIS fleet has reappeared. They are in the Vector Prime region of the Outer Rim just as the Vong are about to invade the galaxy to conquer the infidels and bla, bla, bla.

Now, as for the questions:

1) How will change things with the Separatist presence?
2) Will Dooku be able to claim the title of Sith Master from Lady Darth Lumiya (who I think held it at this point)?
3) In a combat between a Magnaguard and a Vong warrior with their usual weapons, who wins?
4) How many Vong would be needed to defeat General Grievous with his four lightsabers?

1) NR has a bigger army to help them combat the Vong. Even the Seperatists didn't want to see the galaxy wiped out. The Vong get crushed at Helska, they never even have to use Anakin's nonsensical "Heat the planet to freeze it" solution.

2) Who the heck is "Lady Darth Lumiya"? The last Darth was Vader. Kyp under Exar Kun's tutelage proclaimed himself a Sith but later changed his mind. Brakiss tried to be a Sith but he THOUGHT he was being taught by Palpatine so he never took the title. I don't recall anyone else.

3) Magnadroid. Vong loses all sense of tactics because he's infuriated at seeing a robot and goes nuts.

4) Quite a few. The Jedi were handicapped because they were used to being able to use the force on opponents, at least initially, before they adapted. Grievous ALWAYS fought against superior opponents with abilities he did not have- now he's not. No single Vong short of Onimi could take out Grievous, I doubt even the genetically modified Shimrra bodyguards could. At minimum a dozen Vong assuming close quarters. In an open arena Grievous rules the day as he can run on walls, stick to the roof, slam people with his feet and sabers at the same time, etc.

[Murazor]

2) Who the heck is "Lady Darth Lumiya"? The last Darth was Vader. Kyp under Exar Kun's tutelage proclaimed himself a Sith but later changed his mind. Brakiss tried to be a Sith but he THOUGHT he was being taught by Palpatine so he never took the title. I don't recall anyone else.

Old comic character. Force sensitive trained by Vader, IIRC. Eventually she claims the title of Lady of the Sith. Shows up somewhere in the NJO.

Go to the Databank for more information

[Srynerson]

2) Will Dooku be able to claim the title of Sith Master from Lady Darth Lumiya (who I think held it at this point)?

Did Lumiya ever take the name/title "Darth"? As for your question, Dooku would almost certainly pwn Lumiya's ass in a fight. She only defeated Luke the first time because of her exotic choice of weapon. She showed no particular aptitude for Force powers, IIRC. Dooku could probably toast her cybernetics with force lightning from 20 paces.

[hypernova]

Remeber also that vong armor is only resistant to lightsabers and the only reason they dont work the same way as it does against other armor is because it would take about 1 secound to impale it, but since its jedi vs vong that about 5 swings of whatever weapon your using so the jedi never had time to do that. (noting that if you use 2 sabers, like luke did, it can cut through ampi staffs and armor 2x fast, therefore being feasable at that point)

also note that Greives has 4 lightsabers, major bad ass!!! \'''/

so add that onto the list of how he would be so good against vong.

[LordShaithis]

Says nothing about her being Sith. She's just another Emperor's Hand.

[Crown]

<NJO author>The CIS would lose big time one some contrived plot device to make all of their weapons non-functional against the Vong, and the Vong having weapons which make the CIS armour/shields useless.</NJO author>

[Perseid]

I remember her, she dies shortly after Coruscant falls to the Vong, and I think Luke and Mara encounter a uber version of Flint in Rebel Dream.

I don't think that the CIS armies would stand much of a chance against Vong warriors cos if memory serves Voondum Crab armor doesn't just slow down lightsabers but it will stop blasters as well.

[Murazor]

Says nothing about her being Sith. She's just another Emperor's Hand.

OK. I am somewhat confused. I swear that I have seen mentions of her being a Sith, yet not even the CUSWE mentions her as a Sith (it does however credit her as trainer of "Darth" Flint and Carnor Jax). At any rate, it would seem that she is the main leader of the Dark Side Force users by the time of NJO and that was I meant.

[NecronLord]

Old comic character. Force sensitive trained by Vader, IIRC. Eventually she claims the title of Lady of the Sith. Shows up somewhere in the NJO.

Go to the Databank for more information

She's no Sith, at least not in the sense we think of it (Sith>>>Jedi). The entire destiny of the chosen one was to destroy the stagnant jedi and the over-skilled Sith, and bring balance, so that there would be no more Sith (barring fools like Lumiya who claim the title but don't have the wisdom) and cause future Light-side users and Dark-side users to be balanced in power.

The Sith Order is gone. The "Will of the Living Force" forced its destruction (Sad isn't it? Sidious' empire was doomed from the get-go). She is at best, a dark jedi with delusions of grandeur. The Force would contrive a means of killing her if she were anything like as powerful as Dooku was.

[Praxis]

<NJO author>The CIS would lose big time one some contrived plot device to make all of their weapons non-functional against the Vong, and the Vong having weapons which make the CIS armour/shields useless.</NJO author>

Have you even read NJO? It's more the opposite, since the NR is the one who figures out how to make Vong shielding useless, as well as their communications and drives, etc.

The Vong's only advantage is in the first two books they can strip shields, but thats all.

[Perseid]

i think thats why the CIS have been transported to Vector Prime era, therefore CIS get their asses handed to them in first encounter.
Hell the Vong in Vector Prime destroyed a ISD whithout much problem.

[SCVN 2812]

i think thats why the CIS have been transported to Vector Prime era, therefore CIS get their asses handed to them in first encounter.
Hell the Vong in Vector Prime destroyed a ISD whithout much problem.

The only problem is that the CIS has FAR more ships than the New Republic did, millions according to the ICS. The Vong are outnumbered by a not inconsiderable degree. The CIS can throw ships and battledroids at this problem until it goes away because they can afford to. Their entire military is geared towards expendability. Unlike the New Republic, the CIS leadership, particularly General Grievous, has no qualms about mass destruction as a means to an end.

The Yuuzhan Vong's bag of tricks made them superior to the forces pitted against them one for one but counter measures to them were found rather quickly. Once that happened the Vong obviously did not have crushing numerical or firepower superiority.

Its mostly the same as the Galactic Empire vs Vong match up, with the exception that due to the CIS' greater emphasis on mass production over quality, the losses will be staggering.

[Praxis]

i think thats why the CIS have been transported to Vector Prime era, therefore CIS get their asses handed to them in first encounter.
Hell the Vong in Vector Prime destroyed a ISD whithout much problem.

Amazing, they destroyed ONE ISD! After concentrating ALL of their forces on it for ten minutes!

Yet they couldn't kill 12 civilian sheildships in a decent amount of time.

[Kuja]

The sheer number of troops the Confederacy can deploy in a limited amount of time is a death knell for Vong ground forces. Just imagine dozens of super battledroids opening up with 200 rounds per minute, backed up by shielded destroyers. The Vong would be crisped.

[Noble Ire]

The sheer number of troops the Confederacy can deploy in a limited amount of time is a death knell for Vong ground forces. Just imagine dozens of super battledroids opening up with 200 rounds per minute, backed up by shielded destroyers. The Vong would be crisped.

Considering the damage Lando's YVK droids can do, I'd love to see a unit of Drodiekas roll into a Vong defensive line.

[Sidewinder]

I only read 'Vector Prime'-- I quickly lost interest in the NJO series-- but the Vong seem to suffer from the same problem as the Klingons, namely, an obsession with honor in combat, religious fanaticism, and waste. (Why destroy droids when they can be reprogrammed to serve you? Why destroy a planet when its resources can be exploited to serve your war efforts? Why destroy...?)

Dooku and the CIS doesn't seem to have these problems, and their relatively wise use of resources would let them outlast the Vong, the way the Allies defeated the Axis in WW2 by outlasting them, until the Axis didn't have the resources to sustain their war efforts.

Meanwhile, Dooku will probably make peace with the New Republic to buy time-- time he'd use to plan the conquest of the New Republic, and his crowning as Emperor.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Grevious would basically be the ultimate close-combat Vong-killer. He had the reaction time to go toe-to-toe with Jedi Masters, he wouldn't be hampered by them being "invisible" in the force, and one amphistaff won't be worth shit against four whirling lightsabers ala Obi-wan vs. Grevious in RotS; Obi-wan only won because of his precognition. Plus Grevious's levels of insane durability and insane strength... ANY Vong warrior would be mincemeat, or even dozen of them at once.

[Darth Raptor]

The sheer number of troops the Confederacy can deploy in a limited amount of time is a death knell for Vong ground forces. Just imagine dozens of super battledroids opening up with 200 rounds per minute, backed up by shielded destroyers. The Vong would be crisped.

Considering the damage Lando's YVK droids can do, I'd love to see a unit of Drodiekas roll into a Vong defensive line.

But the YVH droids are like the culmination of battledroid technology, right? Don't they incorporate advancements from Clone Wars era battledroids, Dark Troopers and the SD series? All specifically tailored for a single target: The Yuuzhan Vong. I doubt Droidekas would be any more effective.

[Noble Ire]

But the YVH droids are like the culmination of battledroid technology, right? Don't they incorporate advancements from Clone Wars era battledroids, Dark Troopers and the SD series? All specifically tailored for a single target: The Yuuzhan Vong. I doubt Droidekas would be any more effective.

It is true that YVK's specifically engineered to fight the Vong, and would be more versatile in that role, but they lack the shielding and dedicated firepower that a Droideka has. I suppose they would be more useful for defense than offense in that regard.