"I have the high ground, Don't Try it" (spoilers)

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-06-02 10:08am

This line, right before the leg slice always confuses me.

What exactly is Anakin going to instead of jumping him? What would Obi-Wan do? Is he seriously just saying 'fly off Ani and I won't follow you'? Obi-wans objective was to kill him not let him run back off to Palpy.

So confused, whats your take on this line?

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2005-06-02 10:10am

Crazedwraith wrote:This line, right beofre the leg slicey always confuses me.

What excatly is Anakin going to instead of jumping him? What would Obi-Wan do? Is he seriously just saying fly off Ani and I won't follow? Obi-wans objective was to kill him not let him run back off to Palpy.

So confused, whats your take on this line?

My take: Obi-Wan still doesn't want to kill Anakin. He's still trying to talk him down.

Anakin is about to do a risky, aggressive move. Obi-Wan sees it through the Force, figures out his perfect response, and warns Anakin not to try it.

Anakin is arrogant and angry. He does it anyway, and gets pwn3d.

So it wasn't so much the fact that he had the higher ground but that the higher ground gave him the perfect counter.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-06-02 10:19am

Anakin had two choices.

1. Leap on to the beach head and continue the duel. Kenobi could've come down on him like a ton of bricks and forced him back into the lava.

2. Try leaping over Kenobi to either try forcing him back to the lava or take the duel away from it. We all saw how that worked out.

So Kenobi had the advantage either way. But Anakin definitely did not make the best choice.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-06-02 10:25am

Or presumbly he could just fly off on that handy platform, and Obi-Wan seems ready to let him go.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-06-02 10:27am

It could also be seen as a goad to Anakin. Obi Wan makes the statement right before the move "Then you are lost!" I see that as the moment where Obi Wan unlike Luke decides that there is nothing to save in Anakin and makes his move.

As Anakin's teacher he knows what a hot head he is and that he can be goaded into doing stupid things just by trying to make him prove he's good at what he does.

If you're trying to cool a raging hot head down you don't directly challenge him by saying "It's over. I have the high ground." That was a sting that made Anakin decide to try to prove that Obi Wan is underestimating his power.

Throughout the entire duel Obi Wan is controlling where it's going in the hopes that Anakin will either calm down, die, or place himself in a position where Obi Wan can win the duel.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-06-02 10:58am

I felt up to the the 'you are lost' line Obi Wan was trying to find the good in Anakin. After that the duel gets serious. Obi Wan is critisized for not killing Vader after his three in one slice and dice but then that is after all a Dark Side act and is not the way of the Jedi. A Jedi does not kill an unarmed opponent.

In the Dooku duel if Obi Wan had been awake Palps wouldn't have been able to get Anakin to kill Dooku., Obi Wan would have prevented it.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2005-06-02 11:42am

Isolder74 wrote:I felt up to the the 'you are lost' line Obi Wan was trying to find the good in Anakin. After that the duel gets serious. Obi Wan is critisized for not killing Vader after his three in one slice and dice but then that is after all a Dark Side act and is not the way of the Jedi. A Jedi does not kill an unarmed opponent.

What a terrible pun. I hope you didn't intend it.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-02 11:44am

*Ba dum boom ching!*

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-06-02 12:32pm

Perinquus wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:I felt up to the the 'you are lost' line Obi Wan was trying to find the good in Anakin. After that the duel gets serious. Obi Wan is critisized for not killing Vader after his three in one slice and dice but then that is after all a Dark Side act and is not the way of the Jedi. A Jedi does not kill an unarmed opponent.
What a terrible pun. I hope you didn't intend it.

No the pun was not intended

Lusankya · Post by **Lusankya** » 2005-06-02 01:28pm

The pun that people seem to use most often (in my experience) in regards to hand cutting off is that "they have been rendered... 'armless."

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-06-02 01:30pm

Lusankya wrote:The pun that people seem to use most often (in my experience) in regards to hand cutting off is that "they have been rendered... 'armless."

I'd say they're disarmed (yeah it's bad pun, but still).

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-06-02 01:55pm

Yeah. Anakin was really full of himself, thinking he's the most powerful Jedi ever, but after that fight he didn't have a leg to stand on.[/worse pun]

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-06-02 02:04pm

CivilWarMan wrote:Yeah. Anakin was really full of himself, thinking he's the most powerful Jedi ever, but after that fight he didn't have a leg to stand on.[/worse pun]

*snicker*

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-06-02 02:05pm

Yeah....I guess you can say Anakin was really stumping for that Vader position.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-06-02 02:14pm

Stravo wrote:Yeah....I guess you can say Anakin was really stumping for that Vader position.

[Vader throat choke]I am not ammused![/Vader throat choke]

Bad joke very bad joke!

I can't believe what I started!

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-06-02 02:28pm

This was discussed in the following thread as well:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=69503

I believe Cykeisme offered a pretty good explanation.

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2005-06-02 02:49pm

The sad part is that Anakin did not even need to fight Obi-wan to the death. He could have disengaged any number of times and escaped ala Dooku.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2005-06-02 04:28pm

Spartan wrote:The sad part is that Anakin did not even need to fight Obi-wan to the death. He could have disengaged any number of times and escaped ala Dooku.

But Obi-Wan was LYING TO HIM and BETRAYED HIM and HOLY SHIT I'M INSANE.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2005-06-02 04:44pm

If Anakin was trying to get a leg up on Obi-Wan by leaping over him, well, Obi-Wan proved he was already one step ahead of the game....

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-06-02 04:48pm

Chardok wrote:If Anakin was trying to get a leg up on Obi-Wan by leaping over him, well, Obi-Wan proved he was already one step ahead of the game....

Two steps ahead, actually.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-06-02 04:50pm

Durandal wrote:
Chardok wrote:If Anakin was trying to get a leg up on Obi-Wan by leaping over him, well, Obi-Wan proved he was already one step ahead of the game....
Two steps ahead, actually.

I'm sure theres a pun in that somewhere but i can't figure it out.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-06-02 04:53pm

Well, you gotta hand it to Dooku...

Back on topic, I'll agree with Stravo about Obi Wan deliberately goading him. Anakin's follow-up line about his power would seem to bear that out.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2005-06-02 04:53pm

Isolder74 wrote:Bad joke very bad joke!

I can't believe what I started!

No, they are awsome jokes. I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass off, over here. I still don't get why people don't like puns and everytime somebody says a good one they have to go and ruin it by saying "No pun intended" or "Pun intended", really annnoying.

BTW - I agree with GuppyShark:

My take: Obi-Wan still doesn't want to kill Anakin. He's still trying to talk him down.
Anakin is about to do a risky, aggressive move. Obi-Wan sees it through the Force, figures out his perfect response, and warns Anakin not to try it.
Anakin is arrogant and angry. He does it anyway, and gets pwn3d.
So it wasn't so much the fact that he had the higher ground but that the higher ground gave him the perfect counter.

Really good assesment.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-06-02 05:24pm

Isolder74 wrote:I felt up to the the 'you are lost' line Obi Wan was trying to find the good in Anakin. After that the duel gets serious. Obi Wan is critisized for not killing Vader after his three in one slice and dice but then that is after all a Dark Side act and is not the way of the Jedi. A Jedi does not kill an unarmed opponent.

In the Dooku duel if Obi Wan had been awake Palps wouldn't have been able to get Anakin to kill Dooku., Obi Wan would have prevented it.

HOWEVER, Obi-wan left thinking he had left Anakin to die slowly in the fire. Which would be more Jedi-like, giving an opponent too dangerous to be left alive a quick death, or letting him burn slowly while screaming in pain?

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2005-06-02 05:35pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:

But Obi-Wan was LYING TO HIM and BETRAYED HIM and HOLY SHIT I'M INSANE.

I know, but after nearly going over a lava "niagra falls" wouldn't be like fuck it! "I'll murder you later, Obi-wan!"

Then again Jedi are not all that sane anyway, remember Obi-wans dove out of Padames window in AOTC? What the hell was he thinking. No wonder the PT Jedi get smoked with such regularity. "You are reckless!"

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