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Remember that TRex soft-tissue?

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Reuters wrote:WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Tyrannosaurus rex dinosaur that died 68 million years ago has provided some of the strongest evidence yet that birds are the closest-living relatives of dinosaurs, scientists said on Thursday.

Soft tissue found in the animal's thighbone strongly suggests it was a female, and just about to lay eggs, the researchers report.

The bone tissue is strongly similar to that made inside the bones of female birds -- and no other living type of animal -- when they are producing the hard shells of eggs just before they lay them, said Mary Higby Schweitzer of North Carolina State University in Raleigh.

"In addition to demonstrating gender, it also links the reproductive physiology of dinosaurs to birds very closely. It indicates that dinosaurs produced and shelled their eggs much more like modern birds than like modern crocodiles," Schweitzer told reporters in a telephone briefing.

Female birds produce a layer of bone tissue called medullary bone when they are laying eggs. It is rich in calcium, providing minerals that would otherwise be leached from harder bone material, leaving the bird susceptible to fractures.

"The way that crocodiles lay and shell their eggs is they hold them in their reproductive tract and shell them all at once," Schweitzer said.

"Birds shell their eggs one at a time as they move down through the reproductive tract. It is a pretty calcium-intensive process."

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This particular T. rex fossil made headlines in March when the same team of paleontologists reported it contained preserved soft tissue -- the first ever found in a dinosaur bone.

"The reason that we have found all the things in this one particular animal is this specimen was in a very remote part of Montana, in the Hell Creek formation," said Jack Horner of the Museum of the Rockies and Montana State University.

"It was so far out in the country that we needed to helicopter it out and we actually had to split the thighbone into two pieces to get it into the helicopter." When Schweitzer unwrapped the cracked-open femur she immediately saw the soft tissue and went to work proving its remarkable state of preservation.

Horner plans to crack open some other bones.

"We have 12 specimens of Tyrannosaurus rex here at this institution, and we are about to find out if any more of them are females, just by looking inside," he said.

It was a stroke of luck to find an animal at just the right stage to be making medullary bone, Schweitzer said.

"It would not be present in a brooding animal," she said.

"But it would be present as long as there was an egg left to lay. The animal was probably near the end of its laying cycle."

Finding another such specimen will be difficult.

"I think it is pretty much a long shot," she said.

In April, Tamaki Sato of the Canadian Museum of Nature in Ottawa, and colleagues reported they had found the fossil of a dinosaur in China that carried two eggs in its body.

Its physiology also was closer to modern birds than to modern crocodiles, Sato reported.

Horner said most experts are convinced the two-legged dinosaurs known as theropods were closely related to living birds.

"This is another piece to the puzzle and there are a lot of them," he said. "Anyone who would argue that birds and dinosaurs are not related -- frankly I'd put them in the Flat Earth Society group."
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I like the last line in the article. :lol:

That is pretty cool though. Nice physical connection there.
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I fucking love science.
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Creationist retort in 3, 2, 1...
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Creationist retort in 3, 2, 1...
It's proof of a young earth, because DNA can't survive 65 million years.
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Hell, did the DNA even survive? They never said.

I'm excited, but partially dissapointed. As the page loaded, I was praying to Jebus that the article was about how they'd found cloneable DNA.
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wolveraptor wrote:Hell, did the DNA even survive? They never said.
They said they were going to see if it had- that it wasn't stated most likely means it did not.

That they were merely going to try was news enough for fundies to claim victory.
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Well, there go my wanktastic dreams of owning a live t-rex to feed insurance salesmen to. :(
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There's no way the DNA could have survived intact, as I understand it. There could be enough protein fragments to reconstruct a very partial DNA strand, but it wouldn't be enough to clone from.

There are other hurdles to cloning dinosaurs aside from finding a viable DNA source. Not only would our gene sequencing technology need to be light years ahead of what it is now (to complete whatever material we find IF we find it), we would also need artificial wombs and some way to keep them from dying after getting one whiff of the Holocene's modern germ-filled air.
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You know, I saw the title and thought "A Kleenex big enough and soft enough for a Tyrranosaur."

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Darth Raptor wrote:There's no way the DNA could have survived intact, as I understand it. There could be enough protein fragments to reconstruct a very partial DNA strand, but it wouldn't be enough to clone from.

There are other hurdles to cloning dinosaurs aside from finding a viable DNA source. Not only would our gene sequencing technology need to be light years ahead of what it is now (to complete whatever material we find IF we find it), we would also need artificial wombs and some way to keep them from dying after getting one whiff of the Holocene's modern germ-filled air.
Well, we might be able to use an ostrich egg, especially now that we are even more sure of the dino-bird link. Needless to say, the dino would be kept in a sterile environment, though I can't help wondering whether it'd be resistant at first to modern bacteria. The bacteria that would have specialized to infect dinos and T. rex speciffically would've long died out. Perhaps modern bacteria wouldn't be able to attack the rex's immune system, at least not at first.
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