What is reasonable with property?

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

Edit: I think someone mentioned above someting about stench or smell pollution having a deterimental effect on a business. An open air cafe, I think it was. That would be wrong, since it woud hurt the business. Would visuals also apply? Say you are in a nice area and you have that same cafe. Your business success draws from the scenery and the area. All of the sudden, someone slums up the area around it, killing your business because no one wants to eat in a slob pit, as much as you wouldn't want to eat in an area that smells. Is that right?

I don't know if it's similar. It seems a bit different, but it has the same consequence.

[salm]

It is the same but the problem is that visual pollution can not be meassured while smells can be massured. That leads to the problem that visual pollution has to be judged subjectivly. This subjective meassurement will allways be objected to by some people.

[Molyneux]

They smell horrible. THere's a compost pile in my neighborhood, and people are trying to get rid of it. Every day in the summer when the wind blows, we get this rancid cheese smell. It makes it unbearable to go out of the house.

If you're doing your compost correctly, it won't stink. These people need to be taught.

Anyway, in the US, the Constitution clearly provides for eminent domain. In this country at least, very few areas allow for true allodial title, so ultimately your land is really the governments anyway.

This may be a wee bit off-topic, but as far as eminent domain goes...
Fuck that!

The government should have to prove damn well that it really, truly *needs* to seize a property before it can do so. None of that bullshit that they've been pulling in NYC (taking someone's property so another company can expand into it, in the name of "urban beautification").

[Sean Howard]

They smell horrible. THere's a compost pile in my neighborhood, and people are trying to get rid of it. Every day in the summer when the wind blows, we get this rancid cheese smell. It makes it unbearable to go out of the house.

If you're doing your compost correctly, it won't stink. These people need to be taught.

Anyway, in the US, the Constitution clearly provides for eminent domain. In this country at least, very few areas allow for true allodial title, so ultimately your land is really the governments anyway.

This may be a wee bit off-topic, but as far as eminent domain goes...
Fuck that!

The government should have to prove damn well that it really, truly *needs* to seize a property before it can do so. None of that bullshit that they've been pulling in NYC (taking someone's property so another company can expand into it, in the name of "urban beautification").

Hey I'm with you. The reality is, that its not just urban areas that are subject to this. Rural homesteaders, even to this day, have their lands and livelihoods annexed into national parks, BLM land, and the like.

In the US, its impossible to permanently remove the property tax lien that the government has on "your" land. You could pay 10 billion dollars, and it never goes away.

Ultimately, anything you do with "your" land is at the pleasure of the government.

[Lord Zentei]

This sounds suspiciously fundamentalist .... does he think he derives these inalienable and absolute property rights from a deity?

I assume he doesn't have any water, sewer or power connected to the property, obviously he's trying to avoid entanglement with the Evil State ....

No. This has nothing to do with fundamentalism, it is a libertarian position.

[Lord Zentei]

He's trying to tell me that because you own something, you can do anything you want to your property without actually harming another human/citizen.

All the examples used thus far to attempt to refute his position have involved harm, direct or indirect.

Property isn't an absolute right. Under current law, I can't just mine a place and let poisonous tailing wreck nearby land. I can't just fell a tree in the City of Vancouver, because if I do it wrong it can fall in my neighbor's yard and cause damage or injury. Your friend needs to grow the fuck up.

Harm.

Ask him if it´s ok to explode a bomb in a class room if ýou are the owner of the bomb.

Harm. Etc.

Tharkun hit the nail on the head with the olafactory pollution argument, though. The compost heap is causing harm, so by his own argument, it is wrong.

[Molyneux]

If you're doing your compost correctly, it won't stink. These people need to be taught.

Anyway, in the US, the Constitution clearly provides for eminent domain. In this country at least, very few areas allow for true allodial title, so ultimately your land is really the governments anyway.

This may be a wee bit off-topic, but as far as eminent domain goes...
Fuck that!

The government should have to prove damn well that it really, truly *needs* to seize a property before it can do so. None of that bullshit that they've been pulling in NYC (taking someone's property so another company can expand into it, in the name of "urban beautification").

Hey I'm with you. The reality is, that its not just urban areas that are subject to this. Rural homesteaders, even to this day, have their lands and livelihoods annexed into national parks, BLM land, and the like.

In the US, its impossible to permanently remove the property tax lien that the government has on "your" land. You could pay 10 billion dollars, and it never goes away.

Ultimately, anything you do with "your" land is at the pleasure of the government.

Meh...they can have my house when they pry the shotgun from my cold, dead fingers.

Of course, first I have to get a shotgun...and a house, for that matter...

[Darth Wong]

Ultimately, you have two schools of thought colliding here. One of them says that if you voluntarily do something which damages your neighbour's interests, it is only reasonable that you compensate them. The other says "I HAVE THE RIGHT, SO SCREW YOU!!!"

[wolveraptor]

This guy is using stuff that the community provides, such as roads, sidewalks, parks, perhaps swimming centers, etc. Therefore, I don't think he can do things to his property that would devalue the community as a whole.