Fundi camp for gays (need advice)

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-06-10 02:58pm

Frank Hipper wrote:Jesus fucking Crust THEY ARE INSANE!
6. No television viewing, going to movies, or reading/watching/listening to secular media of any kind, anywhere within the client¹s and the parent¹s/guardian¹s control. This includes listening to classical or instrumental music that is not expressly Christian (Beethoven, Bach, etc. are not considered Christian). The only exception to the media policy is the weekly movie.
Bach?
Not Christian?
The same Bach who signed every piece of music he wrote "To the greater glory of God" isn't Christian to them?

Lunatics!

THat was the only way he could get a carreer in those days. It's like the "freedom" brainbug nowadays, only moreso. Plus the RC church was the main contractor of the time, and in particular, Bach's boss. I'ts not as though he could have cast himself as a skeptic, now is it?

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-06-10 03:06pm

sketerpot wrote:This is truly a horrific institution; I haven't heard of many places in the US that deserve to be stormed by Storm Troopers, but this one does.

Stormtroopers aren't anywhere mean enough. Might I suggest Slaaneshi Noise Marines would be more appropriate. When they're done raping these guys to death we can sick them on Patkelly and her buddies. Oh the irony!
Seriously, I'm more socially conservative than anybody on this board probably (with the exception of fundie trolls) but even I think this is incredibly fucked up.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-06-10 03:10pm

Jesus Tittyfucking Christ. This kind of evil brainwashing camps for kids happened only in a pathetic backwater of Jamaica for all I know. No it's going on in the middle of the goddamn superpower of the world, under people of the same ideology as its leaders.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2005-06-10 03:13pm

Lord Zentei wrote:THat was the only way he could get a carreer in those days. It's like the "freedom" brainbug nowadays, only moreso. Plus the RC church was the main contractor of the time, and in particular, Bach's boss. I'ts not as though he could have cast himself as a skeptic, now is it?

His contemporaries didn't sign their music that way, even when writing church pieces; Bach was an unusually devout guy, even for his time.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2005-06-10 03:15pm

Well we don't have to worry about concentration camps for gays being a possibility. They're already here.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-06-10 03:31pm

More crazy rules:

1. All clients must maintain appropriate hygiene, including daily showering, use of deodorant, and brushing teeth twice daily.
Men: Men must remove all facial hair seven days weekly, and sideburns must not fall below the top of the ear (the top
of the ear is defined as where the ear meets the face below the temple). Clean business-like haircuts must be worn at all
times. Hair must be long enough to be pinched between two fingers.
Women: Women must shave legs and underarms at least twice weekly.
All: Only natural hair color is allowed. Hair that is colored, highlighted or streaked, mut be dyed back to its original color, or the color must be cut out before entrance into the Refuge program.

No facial hair? No dyed hair? What's the point of these?

7. No continuing education while in the program. Home-school Refuge clients may be allowed to continue their studies during the program, pending approval by LIA staff.

Only home-schooling, eh? I wonder why...

3. All photographs will be taken for the purpose of sobering re-evaluation. Clients may request to have pictures returned to them via C.O.C.

4. Refuge clients will not be allowed to use personally owned computers during the program, whether on campus or at home/in temporary lodging. Computer stations are normally available on campus when clients need to type something.

5. Clients should report all FI's (with discretion), whether their own or another's, to staff.

That's right: No photos to be taken, and you're not allowed to use any computers. No communication or information for the outside world. Plus, you must snitch on others.

5. Due to the nature of many gender identity struggles, issues of enmeshment and emotional dependency can develop not only with same sex, but sometimes even more easily with the opposite sex. Because healthy and appropriate same and opposite-sex relationships are encouraged, dating and exclusive relationships of any kind are prohibited while in the program.

6. Clients may have no contact with anyone who has left the program prior to graduating without the blessing of the staff to do so. Clients may address off-limit persons they inadvertently encounter with a polite "hello" only.

7. While in the program, clients may have no contact with anyone involved in unrepentant emotional dependencies, inappropriate sexual behaviors, or chemical dependencies. This includes any contact with friends struggling with dependency issues or inappropriate sexual behavior that was known about prior to entering the program. If such a person is encountered, the client must make his/her staff worker aware of this.

No relationships. No connections to other people. That might weaken the program's intent. And of course, if others have left the program before its completion, you cannot ever talk to them except with "hello". We can't have any knowledge of opposing views here. And no communication with anyone involved in "inappropriate sexual behaviours". Guess what those might be...

1. No discussing therapeutic issues at home. Keep conversations positive.

2. Clients must gain permission through C.O.C. to make or receive phone calls from friends and family members outside the program.

3. No cell phones, beepers, computers, or e-mail/internet access at. Exceptions by C.O.C. approval only.

4. No visitors from out of town without permission via C.O.C.

5. Refuge clients may only read materials approved by staff.

6. No television viewing, going to movies, or reading/watching/listening to secular media of any kind, anywhere within the client¹s and the parent¹s/guardian¹s control. This includes listening to classical or instrumental music that is not expressly Christian (Beethoven, Bach, etc. are not considered Christian). The only exception to the media policy is the weekly movie.

7. Refuge clients may watch one video/DVD per week that has been approved by staff via C.O.C. Movies submitted for approval must be rated G or PG. The parents/guardians are responsible for securing the video/DVD.

8. Weekend curfew (Friday and Saturday) is 10:00pm. Weekday curfew (Sunday through Thursday) is 9:30pm.

9. Refuge clients must be with at least one parent or guardian at all times when off-campus.12. Refuge clients must be accompanied by a parent during any trip to a public restroom.

13. No access to malls of any kind.

14. Clients are not allowed to visit any video, music or media stores that are not expressly Christian, even if accompanied by a parent or guardian. Clients may visit LifeWay Christian stores with a parent or guardian.

No music, books, media, movies that are of opposing views. No visits, phone-calls, or anything without the COC's permission. No going to washrooms without supervision, because that might lead to sinful acts.This is downright chilling.

18. Refuge clients are allowed a one-time 15-minute maximum closed bathroom door time for shower/grooming purposes. The only other closed-door alone time allowed is for using the restroom.

Time enough for my purposes.

I officially stopped reading when I got to "On-Level Rules". See for yourself. They're just sick.

Losonti Tokash · Post by **Losonti Tokash** » 2005-06-10 03:41pm

Don't forget that you're not supposed to know what the punishments are. You might try to get yourself kicked out, you know.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-10 04:09pm

How is it that child-services havent cracked down on this racket,
These are prison level regulations

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6. No television viewing, going to movies, or reading/watching/listening to secular media of any kind, anywhere within the client¹s and the parent¹s/guardian¹s control. This includes listening to classical or instrumental music that is not expressly Christian (Beethoven, Bach, etc. are not considered Christian).

What’s next calling them the christeryungen

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These are borderline brainwashing techniques.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-10 04:30pm

Okay, how is this not illegal? The kids are not going there willingly, and they're being subjected to emotional torture. This isn't funny. This is sickening.

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-06-10 04:32pm

the .303 bookworm wrote:These are borderline brainwashing techniques.

Borderline my ass, this shit is just the first step in the brainwashing. Cut them off from all information and all outside contact/support, then hammer the bullshit into them until they actually believe it.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-10 04:40pm

the .303 bookworm wrote:
These are borderline brainwashing techniques.

Borderline my ass, this shit is just the first step in the brainwashing. Cut them off from all information and all outside contact/support, then hammer the bullshit into them until they actually believe it.

What’s next calling them the christeryungen Middle Finger

Remind you of anything?

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-06-10 04:46pm

the .303 bookworm wrote:
What’s next calling them the christeryungen Middle Finger
Remind you of anything?

It does now... sorry I'm used to the "jungen" spelling. It just didn't register until you pointed it back out.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-10 05:03pm

Have you contacted the cops,Fbi,Child protection services, the media?
This cant possibly be legal, or stand up to scrutiny.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-06-10 05:19pm

the .303 bookworm wrote:this cant possibly be legal, or stand up to scrutiny.

Since it's the parents (legal guardians) who send them there it is perfectly legal I'm afraid.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2005-06-10 06:11pm

How are these techniques surprising to anyone? Anyone with a brain knows that sexual orientation is more or less hard-wired. The only way to "convert" a homosexual is to brainwash him. The kids who come out of these camps "converted" are conditioned to feel shame, guilt, and revulsion at their own natural sexual urges. It takes continuous, powerful, relentless conditioning--not to say torture--and any outside stimulus could upset the program.

It's nothing but abuse. And, sadly, probably perfectly legal abuse. These kids are going to come out fucked up one way or another, and there's shit anyone can do about it unless the Tennessee legislature tightens its laws (and I guarantee you'll have a Free Exercise clause fight on your hands if they try to shut places like this down).

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-06-10 06:48pm

Sorry, guys. It pains me to say this, but you're no longer a free country.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2005-06-10 07:47pm

1. No discussing therapeutic issues at home. Keep conversations positive.

"We're so proud of what we do we suppress all discussion of what we do."

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-10 10:44pm

Junghalli wrote:
the .303 bookworm wrote:this cant possibly be legal, or stand up to scrutiny.
Since it's the parents (legal guardians) who send them there it is perfectly legal I'm afraid.

That's bullshit. Is child-abuse legalized by the state just because the parents do it (albeit indirectly)? You can still nail them for that, because that's what it fucking is.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2005-06-10 11:24pm

Eleas wrote:Sorry, guys. It pains me to say this, but you're no longer a free country.

Pains me to say it, but I agree... the thing is, this has nothing to do with government, or any kind of totalitarian bullshit... it's the society itself. It's so fucked up... no real way to stop it...

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-10 11:56pm

TAX...THE....CHURCHES!!!!

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2005-06-11 12:45am

Words fail me. Reading just a few of those regulations sent bile into my mouth. I've never read anything that made me physically ill before. This is just... Shit, I can't articulate how excrutiatingly fucked up this is.

Zero132132 wrote:
Eleas wrote:Sorry, guys. It pains me to say this, but you're no longer a free country.
Pains me to say it, but I agree... the thing is, this has nothing to do with government, or any kind of totalitarian bullshit... it's the society itself. It's so fucked up... no real way to stop it...

I've lost all faith in democracy as a political system. Sorry, but people are stupid, brain dead cattle that shouldn't be in charge of their own diet, let alone the administration of a nation. With ignorance and bigotry at all-time highs, the Amercian people are simply unfit to rule.

What's worse is there's just no viable alternative to democracy either. The system is corrupt beyond any possible repair, and a transition to any other system would be just as bad or worse.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-11 12:47am

Have you tried contacting the media?
Even Fox new’s would drool at a story like this,
Also how old are the kids? if theyre over 18 then this is kidnapping.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2005-06-11 12:50am

There has to be SOMETHING illegal about putting a kid through emotional abuse to get him to the point where he hates himself enough to stop doing something he enjoys to no objective good. If not, then this country truly is fucked...

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-11 01:17am

Eleas wrote:Sorry, guys. It pains me to say this, but you're no longer a free country.

Umm children have never had the right to choose, what are you talking about?

Parents have ALWAYS had full legal control over their children. That being said, this is fucking disgusting.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2005-06-11 01:20am

Is it so wrong to want to burn the place down? Seriously, something this fucked up... ugh... goddamned insurance...