Could Federation medical technology help Vader?

[Il Saggiatore]

They need the medical reconstruction technology from The Fifth Element. Those guys can reconstruct an entire person from a few cells.

Off topic, I wonder why that device needed living cells.

I don't remember the cells being alive.
Maybe all they needed was intact DNA.

[dragon]

Also I think it would depend on what Trek. Look at some of the medical crap they pulled in Voyager. Like the Year of Hell (I think?) Janeway went into a area filled with plasma and lived. Or the holographics lungs the Nelix had. Plus there were several other instances VOY where they Wanked the medical tech as much as some of the other techs.

[General Zod]

Also I think it would depend on what Trek. Look at some of the medical crap they pulled in Voyager. Like the Year of Hell (I think?) Janeway went into a area filled with plasma and lived. Or the holographics lungs the Nelix had. Plus there were several other instances VOY where they Wanked the medical tech as much as some of the other techs.

many of voyager's 'medical miracles' seemed to be one shot feats that we never saw again. somehow i doubt they'd be useful in restoring Vader, as they don't compose standard starfleet tech.

[dragon]

Also I think it would depend on what Trek. Look at some of the medical crap they pulled in Voyager. Like the Year of Hell (I think?) Janeway went into a area filled with plasma and lived. Or the holographics lungs the Nelix had. Plus there were several other instances VOY where they Wanked the medical tech as much as some of the other techs.

many of voyager's 'medical miracles' seemed to be one shot feats that we never saw again. somehow i doubt they'd be useful in restoring Vader, as they don't compose standard starfleet tech.

True just like all the other tech they use once and we never see again even though the tech would have come in handy. So instead of using tech they already had to solve a problem they invented a new tech for a single episode and the cycle repeats.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Remember how they raised Nelix from the dead .
Anyone but that nincompoop and it would have been passable .

[dragon]

Remember how they raised Nelix from the dead .
Anyone but that nincompoop and it would have been passable .

Um nope either I missed the episode or I blocked it out from the sher horror.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

"Lord Neelix."

"Yes, my captain."

"Rise."

Duh-duh DUH!

I'd imagine they could probably repair the skin damage- dermal regenerators were invented and so named for a good reason, I imagine, you'd just need a whole bunch of 'emt- and Nog's new leg was absolutely no fucking different from his old one, so they could probably give him back his limbs. That means he would look exactly like a regular personal, but I bet that other than voyager-wank emergency holographic organs, he'd be fucked in the internal category.

[Manus Celer Dei]

Thing about the Neelix revival was that in the next fucking episode someone dies right in front of Seven in the first five minutes and she doesn't even mention using the same tech.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Thing about the Neelix revival was that in the next fucking episode someone dies right in front of Seven in the first five minutes and she doesn't even mention using the same tech.

The guy's, er, DNA polarity had been reversed and the tachyons in his system, uh, were recalibrating his cell structure at an exponential rate! Yes, that's it!

*wipes sweat from brow*

Wow, writing Sci fi is easy!

[The Grim Squeaker]

Trekie: “A hole in the quantum warp of space time caused the hypo-dermal nano probes to overload”

[The Grim Squeaker]

Beat me to it .

Was TNG or DS9 more consistent? cant remmember, in the OS tech was somewate below basic medpack level.

[General Zod]

Beat me to it .

Was TNG or DS9 more consistent? cant remmember, in the OS tech was somewate below basic medpack level.

DS9, as far as technology goes. they relied on far less treknobabble than voyager or tng.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Beat me to it .

You're good, kid, but as long as I'm around you'll always be second-best, see?

Was TNG or DS9 more consistent? cant remmember, in the OS tech was somewate below basic medpack level.

Yeah. They occasionally found new miracle treatments, but when they did they spent some time on it and it seemed better and less wanky, rather than just pulling a rabbit out of their ass(es).

[Battlehymn Republic]

Now that I think about it... why didn't they just use bacta on Anakin?

[Darth Yoshi]

Because bacta isn't a miracle cure. It works wonders, but 3rd degree burns everywhere and in the lungs, plus the shock from triple amputation, is not something that can be washed away with bacta.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Now that I think about it... why didn’t they just use bacta on Anakin?

Damn, now that’s a plot hole.
Maybe they couldnt get him to one in time, or taking Vader outside his armour would kill him.

Also it is strongly hinted that Sidious is using the force to keep Anakin alive so it’s possible that compared to the force a bacta tank would merely stop Sidious’s power from keeping him alive. (an Overlapping effect?)

[Battlehymn Republic]

Because bacta isn't a miracle cure. It works wonders, but 3rd degree burns everywhere and in the lungs, plus the shock from triple amputation, is not something that can be washed away with bacta.

It seemed pretty much miracle to me. Doesn't it regenerate all tissues except for brain matter? I know it can't regrow new limbs or things like that, but it probably should be able to deal with the burns, shouldn't it?

[Darth Yoshi]

I'm pretty sure that it's stated at least once that bacta doesn't solve everything. I think it was Corran Horn talking about his mother's death, but I'm not sure.

[The Nomad]

The problem with cloned replacement organs/limbs is the aging process. You need the limbs for a 20 year old in a few hours, so you need to adjut the rate at which the cells grow so that they will be ready then. The problem is that the cells will keep growing at that rate inside the persons body, making them useless in short time.

Nope. Some embryo cells divide much faster than adult cells ( over 20 times faster, embryo cells can divide in less than one hour while adult ones can do it every 24/48 h - under standard conditions, liver cells divide once every year ! ). It is a matter of controlling the mitotic rate thanks to some specific genes.
I suspect it could be done with introducing a number of mitosis-enhancing genes into the cloned cells, then splicing them out with suppression techniques ( known to current science, though not applicable to whole organisms with our current technology AFAIK ) or methyling them ( I don't know if it's proper English, but I do know that putting some methyl groups on certain cytosin and guanin sequence will definitely inhibit the expression of a nearby gene ).
All cells do not express the same genetic information, and a given cell will not express the same genes during its entire life. It is not that far fetched to assume that SW technology can introduce genes that will be used only during the original growth process, then suppress or silence them ( say, once a certain metabolite, not normally found in the human body, is no longer provided ). Such natural processes are encountered in biology today ( or did you think that your neural cells would generate haemoglobin or dystrophin ? Or that an adult muscle cell would express the myoD1 gene which is required only during the earlier stages of life ? ).
Thus your objection is not valid.

Although it should be pointed out that we don't entirely understand this whole "midichlorian" business. If those things are not present in cloned tissue, then a Sith Lord would be better off keeping mangled and cybernetically enhanced organs than replacing them with cloned ones.

Why wouldn't they be present in cloned tissue ? As long as they are present in the original cell(s) that's (are) being used for cloning purposes, it should not be problematic. The same goes for mitochondria : they are shared between the two cells resulting from mitosis.
Besides, one of the Jedi padawans in Darksaber or the Young Jedi series IIRC was a clone. Another EU novel has IIRC Force-sensitive clones, though I do not remember which.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Besides, one of the Jedi padawans in Darksaber

Dorsk 81, he was from a Society that had been cloning each generation for millenia.
The fact that he was force sensitive was fantastically coincidental, (He was the first since they began clonning each generation).
His clone wasnt force sensitive (“JA: Leviathan”)

[Lord Revan]

Correctif I'm wrong didn't Neelix need to immobile in order to use the hologramic lungs.

[The Nomad]

Correctif I'm wrong didn't Neelix need to immobile in order to use the hologramic lungs.

Exactly.
The computer couldn't compensate for the slightest of its moves.

[Il Saggiatore]

Correctif I'm wrong didn't Neelix need to immobile in order to use the hologramic lungs.

Exactly.
The computer couldn't compensate for the slightest of its moves.

Hah! At least Darth Vader can walk around.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

When was it revealed that he could transfer just anyones consciousness into the new clones? I thought that ability was limited to his own.

In KJA's idiotic novel Darksaber (I think), it was revealed that Bevel Lemelisk had been cloned and transferred an unspecified multitude of times.

Don't forget the Zahn's Hand of Thrawn duology, where it was revealed that Thrawn had clones of himself prepared, which would be flashed with his own personality and memories. And Major Tierce who was also a clone of a stormtrooper, complete with flashed memories.

[Noble Ire]

When was it revealed that he could transfer just anyones consciousness into the new clones? I thought that ability was limited to his own.

In KJA's idiotic novel Darksaber (I think), it was revealed that Bevel Lemelisk had been cloned and transferred an unspecified multitude of times.

Don't forget the Zahn's Hand of Thrawn duology, where it was revealed that Thrawn had clones of himself prepared, which would be flashed with his own personality and memories. And Major Tierce who was also a clone of a stormtrooper, complete with flashed memories.

This is a different procedure entirely. In Bevel's case, his actual conciousness is torn from his body and shunted via the dark side into a new clone host. In Thrawn and Tierce's case, the procedure is entirely technological, lacking the actual orginal conciouness.