phasers vs. droidikas

Drunk Monkey · Post by **Drunk Monkey** » 2005-06-06 09:46pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:I agree with you completely. However, I like to play devil's advocate. Perhaps we could consider the Feds from Kirk's era. They at least had some intelligence and military expertise.

Well at least Kirk did, I don’t know about the rest of star fleet.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-06 09:53pm

Compared to the idiots of TNG, Voyager, and DS9, they were geniuses. They at least understood basic military tactics and basic starship design.

Drunk Monkey · Post by **Drunk Monkey** » 2005-06-06 09:57pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Compared to the idiots of TNG, Voyager, and DS9, they were geniuses. They at least understood basic military tactics and basic starship design.

Yea your right, but I don’t even Kirk would create that break the hull idea, he would probably just beam away and self destruct the Enterprise, and then score with the native women on the planate below.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2005-06-08 01:35pm

I'm not so sure about the idea that droidekas being so badass that a Jedi would have no choice but retreat. AFAIK we really don't know how many droidekas (shielded or not) it takes to defeat a Jedi.

In TPM Qui-Gon only said 'It's a standoff, let's go", rather than 'OH NOES!!1". One of them would have to focus on cutting through the door and more droidekas were probably on their way. Qui-Gon could have (probably did) abandoned the plan to take the bridge simply because they had been delayed long enough for security to arrive, and not because they were outgunned at that moment.

In AOTC i remember Anakin being surrounded by 6 [?] droidekas, with Padme next to him, so we can't know if he didn't try to fight them because he was outgunned or if he was just incapable of protecting Padme.

In ROTS we have the same kind of situation as TPM, but IIRC Anakin and Obi-Wan were on their way to Palpatine when the droidekas showed up, so there'd be little point in bothering to kill them when they should be trying to get somewhere.

Regarding the OP, i'd say that if a redshirt could take aim and get the first volley off on max firepower against an unshielded droideka, then they could defeat it (even if just by hitting something soft and partly disabling it). Otherwise -> pwned.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-10 10:01pm

Jedi have never beaten droideks. Whenever possible, they run away from droidekas. Any droid that can make a Jedi retreat has to be incredibly powerful. They only stink on the battlefield because the battlefield droidekas are not equipped with shield generators. And they are apperantly very well known since the Jedi recognized them instantly in TPM.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-10 10:59pm

Actually Anakin beat them in the script of RotS while he was killing Separatists- he dodged their fire and attacked them from behind.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-10 11:42pm

Did they have shields up? I am not recalling the incident.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-11 03:21am

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Did they have shields up? I am not recalling the incident.

The script- wasn't in the movie unfortunately, but we can assume it happened given the way the scene is in the movie (montage).

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-06-11 03:24am

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Jedi have never beaten droideks. Whenever possible, they run away from droidekas. Any droid that can make a Jedi retreat has to be incredibly powerful. They only stink on the battlefield because the battlefield droidekas are not equipped with shield generators. And they are apperantly very well known since the Jedi recognized them instantly in TPM.

The only time I know of any Jedi defeating a droideka, was in Survivor's Quest, and that was only because the droideka wasn't fully autonomous. Luke and Mara figured out the set pattern in the droideka's progamming, and dropped a lightsaber where the droideka was programmed to stop so that it would be in the shield.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-11 03:26am

Luke and Mara Jade fought Droidekas? What were Droidekas doing around?

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-11 05:02am

That's a really good question. Although, you would assume they would be somewhere. IIRC the Coilcoids (what a strange name) who invented the Droideka were the only other people who had them, and all their units had AI .

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-06-11 05:14am

Vympel wrote:Luke and Mara Jade fought Droidekas? What were Droidekas doing around?

Luke and Mara found the remains of the Outbound Flight in Survivours Quest. The Outbound Flight was equipt with Droidekas apparently.

It should be pointed out that the thing was fucking hard to kill, IIRC Luke even rammed it with a structual I-beam (via TK) and it just got up as if nothing happened.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-11 06:31pm

Why would an Old Republic taskforce have been equipped with droidekas?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-11 06:43pm

Why would an Old Republic taskforce have been equipped with droidekas?

It was hinted at in the book that the Droidekas were donated by the TF to the contractors who built outbound flight to serves as extra ship security, both to try to improve their image following the Naboo debacle, and to serve as sleeper agents to watch the Jedi (a secret measure presumably suggested by Count Dooku.)

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-11 06:51pm

And the OR accepted the gift?! That brings the OR government to a new level of stupidity. Unless of course Palpatine wanted them on there so he could destroy the Outbound Flight Project from the inside.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-11 06:52pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:And the OR accepted the gift?! That brings the OR government to a new level of stupidity. Unless of course Palpatine wanted them on there so he could destroy the Outbound Flight Project from the inside.

I believe that is fairly obvious.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-06-11 08:41pm

Especially considering that Palpatine sent a taskforce to ambush Outbound Flight.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-06-11 10:40pm

This is a bit off topic but what Winston mentioned about cutting through that door, made me think of something, and i didnt want to start a new thread...

Are lightsabers solid? I mean, lets asume you have a thick door made of a material that would be resistant to a lightsaber, like phrink or something, and you held a lightsaber blade between the blastdoor as it closes...would the lightsaber be 'broken' by this, or disrupted, or would it shut down or explode or what?

So, are they solid, or are they light or what? Can the actual blade be 'damaged' or disrupted, or even destroyed?

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-12 09:47am

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject:
Trooper TK12746 wrote:
And the OR accepted the gift?! That brings the OR government to a new level of stupidity. Unless of course Palpatine wanted them on there so he could destroy the Outbound Flight Project from the inside.

I believe that is fairly obvious.

I meant just with the droidekas, given he sent the taskforce after it, it didn't seem like destroying from the inside was needed. Just seemed a bit redundant.

Are lightsabers solid? I mean, lets asume you have a thick door made of a material that would be resistant to a lightsaber, like phrink or something, and you held a lightsaber blade between the blastdoor as it closes...would the lightsaber be 'broken' by this, or disrupted, or would it shut down or explode or what?

So, are they solid, or are they light or what? Can the actual blade be 'damaged' or disrupted, or even destroyed?

Cortorsis ore can shut off lightsabers. They are pure energy. If you shut the blast door on a lightsaber, the lightsaber might slow down the door, then it will eventually cut through the door. Phrik alloy is just resistant to lightsabers, it can still be cut by them.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-12 01:09pm

I meant just with the droidekas, given he sent the taskforce after it, it didn't seem like destroying from the inside was needed. Just seemed a bit redundant.

Palpatine is known for having complex, multi-layered plots, backups. Besides, its not like a handful of Droideka's cost very much.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-12 01:24pm

Droidekas are so expensive (with shields) that the TF (which basically funded one side of a galactic spanning war) could only afford to have 2000 units (with shields). And Palpy has bigger fish to fry than the OFP. I don't see why he would need more than one way to destroy it.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-12 01:29pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Droidekas are so expensive (with shields) that the TF (which basically funded one side of a galactic spanning war) could only afford to have 2000 units (with shields). And Palpy has bigger fish to fry than the OFP. I don't see why he would need more than one way to destroy it.

I meant dont cost much comparitivly. What's worth more, a few Destroyers, or ensurance that more than a dozen Jedi, a good deal of them Masters, will be dead, no matter what?

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-12 01:55pm

Given he already had a way of disposing of all the Jedi, it might not have been nessecary. although the DS I and II weren't either.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-12 01:59pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Given he already had a way of disposing of all the Jedi, it might not have been nessecary. although the DS I and II weren't either.

Precisely. Palpatine is an obsessive egomanicac. Its prefectly in character.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-12 02:08pm

Point conceded.