The Jedi, Jesus and the UN

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-06-09 10:53am

HemlockGrey wrote:And since there is no Dark Side Shroud, Yoda and Obi would know of the plot beforehand.

Other things that will happen: Ewan McGregor will be seriously weirded out. And quite apart from the Islamic fundies, the Christian fundies will start to rave about Yoda being some sort of demon and the Jedi agents of Satan's will, Rapture, Armageddon prophecy yadda yadda yadda.

They already think that. Ive read christo manuals stating lucas was inspired for yoda reading a book on demons with the same picture.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-09 12:32pm

Has anyone considered the biological testing that people would want to do on Yoda? Every rich spoiled millionaire would want to live for 900 years.

Post by **weemadando** » 2005-06-09 07:45pm

Jedi 'religion' grows in Australia

ABS Warnings pre-census

I can't find a copy of the full census results, but the problem is that in order to be a recognised as a religion in Australia you need 10k followers, an established belief system and a place of worship. Jedi easily has the followers but can't get the other two pre-reqs.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-09 10:53pm

HA HA Australia!

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-06-10 02:13am

wolveraptor wrote:Has anyone considered the biological testing that people would want to do on Yoda? Every rich spoiled millionaire would want to live for 900 years.

Wasn't his longevity due to the Force? Even if it wasn't, it would be due to his species rather than anything unique to himself.

I don't think Yoda would submit to such testing: "Better things to do I have."

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-10 02:20am

Wasn't his longevity due to the Force? Even if it wasn't, it would be due to his species rather than anything unique to himself.

Pretty much the normal life-span of his species is "only" about 450 years

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-10 04:52pm

1. How do you know? Isn't he the only one of his species we know of, besides a few other dudes, who didn't come in the RARpothetical universe-warp?

2. That's still a helluva long time. I'm guessing that Yoda is carbon-based, so research on him would still be useful in order to unlock the proverbial "fountain of youth" for humans. It'd make us live at least a little longer.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-06-10 05:19pm

Darth Wong wrote:Did we ever see what Jedi were like before the Shroud of the Dark Side clouded their vision? In AOTC they were quite aware of how it was limiting them, but even in TPM it must surely have been affecting them since Palpatine was in their midst without their knowledge.

There are some pre-TPM books out there. But I doubt they were ever immune to being killed by numbers. Qui Gon's comments would suggest otherwise after all. And IIRC the Mandalorians killed a few in the last Sith War.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-10 10:50pm

The Mandalorians only killed a few Jedi? I find that unbelievable. I heard Jango Fett, during his prime, took down nearly forty Jedi.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-11 02:40am

1. How do you know? Isn’t he the only one of his species we know of, besides a few other dudes, who didn’t come in the RARpothetical universe-warp?

Yoda is said to have lived twice the normail lifespan of his species.
(Cant find the quote

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wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-11 02:58am

I'll take your word for it. He still lives for a fucking long time. Scientists would want to know how he regenerates so without being cancerous.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2005-06-11 04:11am

wolveraptor wrote:I'll take your word for it. He still lives for a fucking long time. Scientists would want to know how he regenerates so without being cancerous.

*waves hand* Hmm, experiment on me, you will not. Better things to do, I have. Fixing your screwups I will.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-06-11 07:46am

Stravo wrote:How does one deal with the Will of the Force if you're an athiest?

Quite easily, since the Force is not a traditional God, and it is certainly not the Christian God. It's more like a natural phenomenon which we have never seen before, and any sentient "will" we attribute to it is obviously just its precognitive properties.

Of course, the existence of precognition would represent quite a shock, but if scientists can handle a particle simultaneously taking two different paths to get from point A to point B, they can handle this. The point is that if the Force were real, it would be a subject of scientific study (particularly since its properties are repeatable under controlled conditions).

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-11 08:24am

The closest thing to the Force would be Zen
or possibly some forms of Budhism

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2005-06-11 09:27am

Live debate on TV:

(Whoever the head fundie is nowadays): "These LORD forsaken Jedi are pretenders, sent here by the LORD JESUS to test our faith!!!! They are devilish pretenders!!!"

Obi-Wan: *Force-closes Fundie's mouth* I find your lack of faith disturbing....

Meanwhile, in DC:

Secret Service agents: "Mr. Jedi sir, you can't go in there. It's restricted."

Yoda: *Force-throws them into the wall*

Yoda walks into the Oval Office

Yoda: "At an end, your reign is, Mr. Bush. And not short enough, it was..."

More seriously, I'd bet the Jedi would throw a lot of believers behind them. The casual believers in religion would transfer immediatley.

The Jedi wouldn't be that popular, however. I can see them being assasinated in short order. Too many countries consider people with power and a desire for reform THEIR way to be a threat.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-11 12:35pm

More likely countries would steal young Jedi and re-indoctrinate them into becoming Jedi that serve the country, rather than the world. Of course, these would have to be dealt with in short order by the official Council. I'm sure things like this happened in the new republic, so it'd be nothing new.

THe trick would be for Jedi not to publish their training techniques, and to take the children of only willing parents. In the SW universe, people are so accustomed to the Jedi, they don't even object to child-snatching. Not so here.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2005-06-11 01:48pm

Course this assumes that everything stays candy-colored. Like it or not, the world as it stands today is a pretty violent...angry...fearful...hate-filled place. If we assume Earth suddenly A) has a good number of Force-sensitives and B) knows the Force is real...what happens when dark-siders start to crop up, either on their own or through less friendly nations deliberately trying to create them?

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-06-11 02:26pm

wolveraptor wrote:1. How do you know? Isn't he the only one of his species we know of, besides a few other dudes, who didn't come in the RARpothetical universe-warp?

If you consider the happy fun fun informational picture/diagram books to be canon (and I wouldn't know and don't particularly care) then there's a female one of his species who is a powerful Jedi, and their species has a proclivity toward force sensitivity. (AOTC version of the book.) Again, it's not like these things are always accurate, but I thought I'd pitch in something worthless.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-11 05:25pm

White Haven wrote:Course this assumes that everything stays candy-colored. Like it or not, the world as it stands today is a pretty violent...angry...fearful...hate-filled place. If we assume Earth suddenly A) has a good number of Force-sensitives and B) knows the Force is real...what happens when dark-siders start to crop up, either on their own or through less friendly nations deliberately trying to create them?

One thing's for sure; the days of the early Jedi council, when they are few in number and weak, would be the most dangerous. Let their ranks swell to a decent amount, and the sheer number of Jedi would crush dark side and self-serving country opposition.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2005-06-11 07:27pm

...Like it did for Palpatine and the Separatists? Whoops...

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-06-11 07:52pm

By that time, the Jedi were arrogant, clouded by the darkside, etc.

In this universe, Yoda and Obi would be wiser, having just raised the most destructive Sith of their time, and learning from the mistake.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-06-12 09:28am

I believe it would be extremely difficult to keep the members of the nascent Jedi Order away from temptation to misuse their powers. Even small things that could be done in quiet could be used to great lucrative effect.

"I foresee ... that the price of gold will go up by $10.73 tomorrow."

WyrdNyrd · Post by **WyrdNyrd** » 2005-06-13 04:46am

wolveraptor wrote:One thing's for sure; the days of the early Jedi council, when they are few in number and weak, would be the most dangerous. Let their ranks swell to a decent amount, and the sheer number of Jedi would crush dark side and self-serving country opposition.

wolveraptor wrote:...Like it did for Palpatine and the Separatists? Whoops...

I think there are two factors that would make it easier for the Jedi in this scenario to handle Dark Siders. Firstly, new proto-Sith wouldn't have an entire galaxy to hide in, just one planet. Secondly, there wouldn't be any legacy of powerful Sith Lords around to find, harbour and train new disciples, or to subtley undermine the Council.

The OP asked "Will the UN become a force to be reckoned with as they now have Jedi at their disposal?"

Of course, giving "teeth" to the UN would help them somewhat, but what the UN lacks the most is not "teeth", but "brain". Only if the Jedi actually assumed some type of control of the UN, would it be useful. If they became merely advisors or foot-soldiers, no matter how wise or powerful, they would still be ham-strung by the politics of the UN, especially the veto-ing Powers.

Given real influence, wWould the wisdom of the Jedi be enough to handle Earth's fractious powers and interests? After all, they know nothing of Earth history, culture and politics.

Probably "yes", they could help. After all, no Jedi could possibly know all there is to know about the 12 million+ inhabited worlds of their galaxy. And just looking it up in their archives wouldn't be the same as truly understanding the situation. Yet they were still effective as peace-keepers and mediators throughout the SW galaxy. So I guess their training includes the ability to quickly assess unfamiliar situations, and adapt accordingly.

Whichever way you look at it, the situation as described in the OP is just dripping with cool. It's a wonderful wet-dream for Warsies, or for anyone who gives a damn about our fucked-up little world...

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-06-13 05:35am

Hopefully someone would tell them the all or nothing approach to if you are "good" or "evil" isnt exactly the most psychologically stable arrangement for humans.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2005-06-13 12:29pm

Only if the Jedi actually assumed some type of control of the UN, would it be useful.

Ahh....
Mace Wenduitis.

"Secretary General Annan, you are under arrest by the order of the Jedi Council"