Split from ROTS Revelations

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-06-11 09:19pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Kurgan wrote:So really Dark Forces had it right. It was the subsequent sequels (Jedi Knight, et al.) that got it wrong by portraying red bolts with white (or yellow) cores.
IIRC, in photo stills, the blaster bolts had yellow cores. Don't ask me why just in the photos.

That makes perfect sense actually. Freeze framing the old movies you can see the lightsabers actually look like crap as stills in a lot of scenes (especially in ANH). So it makes sense they'd dress them up. That and you take publicity stills using the prop swords and paint them in. These shots of sabers look awesome and amazing, but compared to freeze frames from the same movies they don't like quite so impressive. They must have done the same with blaster bolts in shots. Whoever painted them must have made the artistic decision to do them this way. Then people making the games copied the shots instead of what the movie actually showed for the most part.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-06-11 09:23pm

Just a heads up. Stills are not the same thing as frames.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-06-11 09:26pm

BTW.

We do know they used mutliple templates for clones by the end of the Clone Wars and the beginning of the Empire. This is supported alone by the shot of Obi Wan briefing Co. Cody and other clones in the Venator hanger bay. Cody is of the Jango template, and a second clone next to him is of another.

It is easier to see this difference in the Makine of RotS book where it has a blue screen on set shot of the encounter. It is Temura Morrison and another actor side by side talking to Ewan.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2005-06-11 10:34pm

Cal Wright wrote:BTW.

We do know they used mutliple templates for clones by the end of the Clone Wars and the beginning of the Empire. This is supported alone by the shot of Obi Wan briefing Co. Cody and other clones in the Venator hanger bay. Cody is of the Jango template, and a second clone next to him is of another.

It is easier to see this difference in the Makine of RotS book where it has a blue screen on set shot of the encounter. It is Temura Morrison and another actor side by side talking to Ewan.

No, sorry no new templates in that scene. IIRC, there was a Hyperspace set diary about the hangar scene. The other actor is merely Bodie Taylor, the actor they used for the younger clones from Episode II. The guy on the far end is probably a digital blending of Morrison and Taylor's face, which ILM said they were going to use in shots to add "diversity" to scenes where the clones appeared without their helmets. In addition, they never mentioned hiring or using anyone other than Morrison and Taylor to be filmed for that scene anyway.

Edit: Here's Taylor's cast page at the OS: link

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-06-12 12:51am

Clone Sergeant wrote:The guy on the far end is probably a digital blending of Morrison and Taylor's face, which ILM said they were going to use in shots to add "diversity" to scenes where the clones appeared without their helmets. In addition, they never mentioned hiring or using anyone other than Morrison and Taylor to be filmed for that scene anyway.

Ahhh.. they said that in Hyperspace, did they. OK, that explains it. Thanks Sarge.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-06-12 01:10am

Clone Sergeant wrote:
Cal Wright wrote:BTW.

We do know they used mutliple templates for clones by the end of the Clone Wars and the beginning of the Empire. This is supported alone by the shot of Obi Wan briefing Co. Cody and other clones in the Venator hanger bay. Cody is of the Jango template, and a second clone next to him is of another.

It is easier to see this difference in the Makine of RotS book where it has a blue screen on set shot of the encounter. It is Temura Morrison and another actor side by side talking to Ewan.
No, sorry no new templates in that scene. IIRC, there was a Hyperspace set diary about the hangar scene. The other actor is merely Bodie Taylor, the actor they used for the younger clones from Episode II. The guy on the far end is probably a digital blending of Morrison and Taylor's face, which ILM said they were going to use in shots to add "diversity" to scenes where the clones appeared without their helmets. In addition, they never mentioned hiring or using anyone other than Morrison and Taylor to be filmed for that scene anyway.

Edit: Here's Taylor's cast page at the OS: link

It's an actor. The blue screen stills have Ewan, Morrison and another actor right with each other. They just don't name the actor.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-06-12 04:50pm

Are the tanks on Mygeeto treaded or repulsored? I keep hearing that you see Republic treaded tanks during Order 66, but that tank looks like it's hovering to me.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-12 04:52pm

I´m not sure, in one of the earlier frames it looked like it had some form of ground contact (threads or something), but there´s nothing conclusive in the film itself.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2005-06-12 07:37pm

VT-16 wrote:The tank appears to have two long-barreled guns, one on each side, and a turret-gun similar to the AT-TE/AT-AP turret-gun. Only it appears to fire laserbolts. The cockpit is reminiscent of the AT-TE´s.

Maybe I'm just too tired, but that's not what I see. To me it looks like it's got two cannons on the side closest the camra and one big one on the far side, with a turret on top.

Also, is it just me or are the wookies in RotS much taller than Chewie was?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-06-12 07:48pm

VT, you are a god among men. I can tell that the ship's keel doesn't touch the ground by about twenty meters. It's still too dark and too low a resolution to even think of where the landing gear are, unfortunately.

By the way, what program was used to make these captures?

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-06-12 11:25pm

Yup that superlaser dish, the one that can't hurt a Starfleet shuttle (

) looks mighty different.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-13 12:56am

Chewie is short for a Wookie. Those Republic tanks are tracked. The upside down AT-TE is just that.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-13 01:08am

Those Republic tanks are tracked.

Any official info?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-13 07:18am

EDIT: I already sent to Saxton, and he replied. It´s on the page now.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-06-13 08:13am

Damn, that was pretty quick, don't you think?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-13 08:24am

Yeah, and he even replied to some questions I sent him, regarding the names of various warships in the DK books. If they were meant to match existing craft from EU or not. Turns out some were and some weren´t. (I´m betting the "humpback cruiser" Saxton uses in his avatar is either a Procurator or a Praetor, time will tell if I´m right, though

)

I also asked about the enigmatic text under an AT-AR picture, and according to him, there was a good possibility at the time that the battle of Hoth would be expanded for the DVDs last year. (I guess they had to work on ROTS instead

) He didn´t know what they would do in the future, though.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-06-13 01:45pm

Sorry that it doesn't contribute much to the thread, but...

God damn, I still can't get over the fact that all those Clonetroopers are CGI. That trooper who got shot looked totally real in motion.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-06-13 06:16pm

I spot a possible hole where he was hit, but the chest armor seems mostly intact. Considering the size of that bolt, it goes to show how effective trooper armor is.

And Scout Trooper armor at that.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-06-13 06:27pm

Mange the Swede wrote:
Kurgan wrote:Okay, finally I think I might have another ROTS Revelation (or more of a nitpick, whatever):

I swear I saw lightsabers shadows (ie: as if they were physical blades) in the Dooku/Kenobi/Anakin fight. Of course Lucas could easily fix that if he wanted to...
There have always been shadows cast by lightsabers.

I know this, I was pointing this out to demonstrate to fanboys who consider it a "glitch" that needs to be fixed (even the Jedi Outcast/Academy games follow up on this). Remember the old rumors that the 2004 DVD's would remove the saber shadows?

Of course, since the technique for rendering saber blades has changed little over the years even since ROTJ, it makes sense that this "gaffe" would continue and most people will miss it in the theaters anyway... but if we're using all "visual evidence" in canon then we can call them on it here.

And he could still fix this, but so far he has not.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-06-13 06:30pm

The Original Nex wrote:
I spot a possible hole where he was hit, but the chest armor seems mostly intact. Considering the size of that bolt, it goes to show how effective trooper armor is.
And Scout Trooper armor at that.

Or was.. perhaps blaster tech has improved over the years to match the (then new?) armor.

Nice pics!

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-06-13 07:04pm

Another indication of the power of blasters

http://img297.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0230py.jpg

See the damage on the large pillar in the background center. I can only presume that it was made by the standard DC-14 Blaster Rifles carried by the Clone Troopers. Looking at the wide shots of the divisions of troops marching into the temple, none seemed to carry considerably larger weapons (ie. E-Web type weapons).

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-13 07:07pm

The Original Nex wrote:Another indication of the power of blasters

http://img297.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0230py.jpg

See the damage on the large pillar in the background center. I can only presume that it was made by the standard DC-14 Blaster Rifles carried by the Clone Troopers. Looking at the wide shots of the divisions of troops marching into the temple, none seemed to carry considerably larger weapons (ie. E-Web type weapons).

It is possible that that blast mark was made by a LAAT/i. THey certainly had them availible on Coruscant.

Adam Reynolds · Post by **Adam Reynolds** » 2005-06-13 09:37pm

in the ROTS game when you fight Cin Dralling you see gunships decimating the temple

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2005-06-14 11:40am

Dammit, VT! I was just about to post pictures of the wookiee gun!

HAs anyone been able to find an instances of the AT-AP firing? I've been looking during the Kashykk battle but haven't been able to seen any.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-06-14 11:49am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Sorry that it doesn't contribute much to the thread, but...

God damn, I still can't get over the fact that all those Clonetroopers are CGI. That trooper who got shot looked totally real in motion.

Could be because it's likely motion-captured.