Acclamator

John Ramses · Post by **John Ramses** » 2005-06-14 04:19pm

I have been wondering. According to some official stats the Acclamator is an outstanding troop ship, but it also has the potential (with slight modifications) to be an incredible asset to any Admiral in space battle.

It is supposedly as fast as a Ywing, and has a pertty good load of point laser cannons. Sounds like an outstanding opportunity to achieve a great anti-fighter platform with little effort. Add a few tractor beams, quad lasers, and missile tubes and you have an outstanding Anti-fighter platform, not to mention Pursuit and Reconnaissence capship.

Why was it left aside so easily?

Also, another question. During the Battle of Hoth. How the heck did the Empire land troops if the planetary shield was impenetrable? No ships could have gotten through to land troops...

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-06-14 04:23pm

Well first off, up until a few years ago the Acclamator didn't "Exist" in StarWars even though now it 'existed' in the past, so... yea..

Second off, and more in universe. It's a troop ship, not made for prolonged engagements, I would imagine that hundreds/thousands of these were mothballed and put into storage during Imperial times... That said, if the ship 'existed' retro actively, I bet it would be a Perfect medium Warship for the Rebels. Heck, when you’re using Corellian Corvettes and converted Cargo ships, an old Acclamator would be a godsend!

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-06-14 04:24pm

John Ramses wrote:I have been wondering. According to some official stats the Acclamator is an outstanding troop ship, but it also has the potential (with slight modifications) to be an incredible asset to any Admiral in space battle.

Try a very minor one. Similar ships in design and size are only star frigates. A star battle cruiser or star dreadnaught would be a great asset. A star frigate is just a captial scale escort.

It is supposedly as fast as a Ywing, and has a pertty good load of point laser cannons. Sounds like an outstanding opportunity to achieve a great anti-fighter platform with little effort. Add a few tractor beams, quad lasers, and missile tubes and you have an outstanding Anti-fighter platform, not to mention Pursuit and Reconnaissence capship.

Yes, if we totally rebuild it to be very different, it will still be a frigate.

Why was it left aside so easily?

]because it is a weak and pathetic ship.

Also, another question. During the Battle of Hoth. How the heck did the Empire land troops if the planetary shield was impenetrable? No ships could have gotten through to land troops...

It was a theatre shield, not a planetary shield.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-06-14 05:08pm

Aside from what Ender already said, there exist carrier- and combat-versions based on the same or similar hulls.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-14 06:01pm

Why was it left aside so easily?

It wasn´t, there´s several recent sources showing it (or a variant of it) in use by the Empire (most notably the upcoming Empire at War game). RL reason is of course that it wasn´t even invented before AOTC came out.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-14 09:34pm

I was annoyed that the Battle of Coruscant was just wall-to-wall Venators, but was happy that no Acclamators were present, since they're an assault ship and have no place in a space battle.

What annoys me however is Venators being used for troop transport on both Utapau and Kashyyk. It should've been mixed Venator/Acclamator squadrons, not only Venators.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-14 09:39pm

The assaults on Utapau and Kashyyyk were both rapid response teams. Acclemators seem to be used more in large scale invasions. Perhaps more came to Kashyyyk later on, because we start seeing more armor later on. Venerators seem to carry mostly light infantry. And at Utapau, they didn't expect there to be a major Seperatist force there, it was a search and destroy mission. Most of the Acclemators were probably involved in the Outer RIm sieges and assaults on Seperatist strongholds. The Venerators were probably all the Republic had availible at the time.

applejack · Post by **applejack** » 2005-06-15 12:50am

John Ramses wrote:Why was it left aside so easily?

It wasn't left aside. It's still used by the Empire even in the OT trilogy.

This is from WOTC. You can see TIE Interceptors, which are post-Yavin and Acclamators (or variants of them) in formation in the skies of a Core world.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2005-06-15 12:55am

Why are those two cylindrical ships on either side of the Venator in the middle?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-06-15 01:00am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Why are those two cylindrical ships on either side of the Venator in the middle?

It is an Acclamator-class, not a Venator-class.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-15 01:01am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Why are those two cylindrical ships on either side of the Venator in the middle?

That's an Acclamator, not a Venator.

Personally, in my mind, when I think of Imperial fleets now I think of dozens of Acclamators, Venators, Imperators and a few Executors in the middle, with the film TIEs buzzing around in the middle. EU ships, even the wedge shaped ones, just can't take root in my imagination.

applejack · Post by **applejack** » 2005-06-15 01:02am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Why are those two cylindrical ships on either side of the Venator in the middle?

Because it looks cool?

*shrug*

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2005-06-15 01:07am

Brain fart, allow me to rephrase it all:

What are those two cylindrical ships on either side of the Acclamator in the middle?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-15 01:13am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Brain fart, allow me to rephrase it all:

What are those two cylindrical ships on either side of the Acclamator in the middle?

Actually, they look kind of like Techno Union Battleships. Weird.

Maybe a weird version of Dreadnaughts, or Carracks. They look too small though.

applejack · Post by **applejack** » 2005-06-15 01:14am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Brain fart, allow me to rephrase it all:

What are those two cylindrical ships on either side of the Acclamator in the middle?

Ah, that makes more sense. And now that I look at your previous post, it looks like that's what you intended.

Anyway, I'm guessing they're some sort of transport ship. I'm not sure though since I haven't seen anything like them until I saw the picture.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-06-15 01:16am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Why are those two cylindrical ships on either side of the Venator in the middle?

Giant Space Zepplins! WOO!!!

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>_>

Um, yea...
So like Vympel said, I don't think any of these were stopped being used. If these ships had 'existed' during the making of the OT they would have been used. You would have Troop Ships, Carrier Ships and Battle Ships,

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-15 01:17am

Personally, in my mind, when I think of Imperial fleets now I think of dozens of Acclamators, Venators, Imperators and a few Executors in the middle, with the film TIEs buzzing around in the middle. EU ships, even the wedge shaped ones, just can't take root in my imagination.

I dont have a problem envisioning Immobilizers or Victories in an Imperial fleet, but it is true that the smaller vessels (Carracks, Nebulons, and the like) are hard to picture.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-15 04:51am

Carracks and the like only "take root" as patrol and support vessels in my mind. Keeps it easier.

John Ramses · Post by **John Ramses** » 2005-06-15 09:59am

The IRL reason is obvious, I meant the "IC" reason.

Aside from what Ender already said, there exist carrier- and combat-versions based on the same or similar hulls.

Anyone know where I could find info on these modifications and models on the net? (besides the official site and theforce.net)

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-15 10:23am

Sadly, most references are just images from various comics, where the ships in question serve other roles or have slight modifications to their hull.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-06-15 10:47am

I've seen a bulbed Acclamator variant on the Warlords website, although it's not an official design (it seems to be based on the Acclamator II variant seen in the CCG).

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-15 11:24am

There´s several similar designs mentioned on the Technical Commentaries, most notably the Rand Ecliptic and the "Star Frigate" from ten years before AOTC.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-15 01:46pm

Perhaps the Acclamator title referred to several line of ships, their most prominent variant being the troop carrier version. And I bet the Empire would use Techno Union ships, they are decent ships and are already built, why not use them?

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2005-06-15 04:00pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:The assaults on Utapau and Kashyyyk were both rapid response teams. Acclemators seem to be used more in large scale invasions. Perhaps more came to Kashyyyk later on, because we start seeing more armor later on. Venerators seem to carry mostly light infantry. And at Utapau, they didn't expect there to be a major Seperatist force there, it was a search and destroy mission. Most of the Acclemators were probably involved in the Outer RIm sieges and assaults on Seperatist strongholds. The Venerators were probably all the Republic had availible at the time.

Hey, that's a solid explanation for one of the things that previously annoyed me (lack of Acclamators).

Edit: Now that you've started me chugging, I recall a scene I'd somehow glossed over.. at the end of Republic Commando, several Acclamators are seen descending into Kashyyk's atmosphere. Backs up your explanation well enough.

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