Who Violated the 1st Amendment?

[Pint0 Xtreme]

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Also Mein Kampf is legal in the states?
Guess there is such a thing as too much liberty

You and George W. Bush would get along famously.

As for the story, there's too little information. Somehow, the lawyer's story of the Evil Principal taking away the Poor Children's Bibles just doesn't ring very credibly.

You take that back!.

Why should he? Both of you seem to share the same opinion of "too much liberty" for not illegalizing free speech.

[Pick]

Yes, I think much information is missing (hence mostly my inkling to side for the school.) Though assumptions are extremely dangerous, if I were to wager a supposition, I'd guess that other means were tried first or the kids were causing a disturbance, because principals generally do not like to start huge shitfests for no reason. Especially when you're fucking around with fundies.

I'm ignorant on the matter, however, and am probably proving it extremely well.

[Zero]

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Also Mein Kampf is legal in the states?
Guess there is such a thing as too much liberty

You and George W. Bush would get along famously.

As for the story, there's too little information. Somehow, the lawyer's story of the Evil Principal taking away the Poor Children's Bibles just doesn't ring very credibly.

You take that back!.

has anyone seen more details on the news if they live near there?

They don't ban things here in the US. That's what the first amendment is for. However, fundies try to get certain things banned. These things are never harmfull, they just depict homosexuality as something other then evil. If censorship were available in this country, it wouldn't be used to ban truly evil things, just things people found disagreeable.

[gizmojumpjet]

It's a pretty short article, who knows what all should have been added to it before it went to press. If recess is dedicated to physical activities, I can understand that looking at the generations of butter we're raising lately, but under no circumstances can a principal ban a student from carrying a Bible or any other religious text or symbol. This isn't France, you know...

If this kid wanted to read the Bible, he could do so quietly and by himself somewhere on the schoolyard. He obviously felt that wasn't good enough; think about that.

I don't see that it's obvious at all so I don't understand this comment. The article doesn't detail exactly where the prayer group was meeting or how loud they were being. And there's certainly nothing sinister about like-minded people joining together to read the Bible and there's no mention of coercion.

It really is a terrible article.

[The Grim Squeaker]

You and George W. Bush would get along famously.

As for the story, there's too little information. Somehow, the lawyer's story of the Evil Principal taking away the Poor Children's Bibles just doesn't ring very credibly.

You take that back!.

Why should he? Both of you seem to share the same opinion of "too much liberty" for not illegalizing free speech.

Guess I think too much about the Neo-Nazi's who believe that hell-spawned piece of bark
Still i guess that it's better for it to be laughed at as long as it isnt mainstream

[Firefox]

Guess I think too much about the Neo-Nazi's who believe that hell-spawned piece of bark
Still i guess that it's better for it to be laughed at as long as it isnt mainstream

... Or that people be allowed to read it as it is: a piece of mindless drivel. Fuck the neo-nazis, though even they have the right to free speech and assemble. We have the right to do the same in counter-protest.

[Durandal]

You and George W. Bush would get along famously.

As for the story, there's too little information. Somehow, the lawyer's story of the Evil Principal taking away the Poor Children's Bibles just doesn't ring very credibly.

You take that back!.

has anyone seen more details on the news if they live near there?

I'll make you a deal. You leave the board and don't come back until you can actually use proper English grammar, and I'll take back what I said.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Guess I think too much about the Neo-Nazi's who believe that hell-spawned piece of bark
Still i guess that it's better for it to be laughed at as long as it isnt mainstream

... Or that people be allowed to read it as it is: a piece of mindless drivel. Fuck the neo-nazis, though even they have the right to free speech and assemble. We have the right to do the same in counter-protest.

The problem is the mindless piece of shit that adopt it as their new bible , still it's probably worth the price rather than letting it become a cult hit

[HemlockGrey]

.303 bookworm, I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say you are a middle school or high school freshman from Israel. Am I right?

[The Grim Squeaker]

.303 bookworm, I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say you are a middle school or high school freshman from Israel. Am I right?

"Sigh" yes, I apologize for the spamming and the flaming, ill stop posting on this board for a few a day or two.
My sincerest apologies.

[Firefox]

The problem is the mindless piece of shit that adopt it as their new bible , still it's probably worth the price rather than letting it become a cult hit

And what? Show that it's "becoming a cult hit". That's no excuse for banning something just because it's nearly universally reviled. The same could happen to books like On the Origin of Species for fuck's sake.

[The Grim Squeaker]

The problem is the mindless piece of shit that adopt it as their new bible , still it's probably worth the price rather than letting it become a cult hit

And what? Show that it's "becoming a cult hit". That's no excuse for banning something just because it's nearly universally reviled. The same could happen to books like On the Origin of Species for fuck's sake.

Theres a difference between a scientific theory and propaganda.

I'm not saying "Mein kampf" sould be banned but i think that it should be kept in libraries or museum's.

Also how many people died because of Darwin's piece of genius and how many died because of mein kampf?

I'm probably not being very convincing due to the fact that my reasons are entirely emotional rather than rational.

Mein kampf should be shown in public as long as it's recognized as fiction & political propaganda,
as long as that's the case then they can sell it at waterstones for all i care, as long as they dont shove it into my face.

[Firefox]

Theres a difference between a scientific theory and propaganda.

You're missing the point. You can't ban something just because you don't like it, which is, to be honest, really the only argument you have.

I'm not saying "Mein kampf" sould be banned but i think that it should be kept in libraries or museum's.

As long as there are sellable copies, why not sell them? I have to admit, while I hesitate after reading some reviews of the book, I wouldn't mind having it on hand to have a periodic look into Hitler's mind.

Also how many people died because of Darwin's piece of genius and how many died because of mein kampf?

According to fundies practically all mass genocides and other atrocities committed in the 20th century are attributable to Darwin.

Mein kampf should be shown in public as long as it's recognized as fiction & political propaganda,
as long as that's the case then they can sell it at waterstones for all i care, as long as they dont shove it into my face.

How is it being shoved in your face?

[Ace Pace]

.303 bookworm, I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say you are a middle school or high school freshman from Israel. Am I right?

To slightly hijack, .303 is guilty of being brainwashed into a kneejerk on Nazi subjects by our schools.

Basicly in school, the entire subject of Nazisim is under "The most terrible crime ever done, should be banned and never speak of it in anything approaching a positive light unless you like getting gang hit with the teachers 2 meters away not caring".

[The Grim Squeaker]

Theres a difference between a scientific theory and propaganda.

Also how many people died because of Darwin's piece of genius and how many died because of mein kampf?

According to fundies practically all mass genocides and other atrocities committed in the 20th century are attributable to Darwin.

Fundies saying that massacres took place because of a scientific fact and nearly 6 milion people being killed are two very different things.

Mein kampf should be shown in public as long as it's recognized as fiction & political propaganda,
as long as that's the case then they can sell it at waterstones for all i care, as long as they dont shove it into my face.

How is it being shoved in your face?

I meant that i dont care if they sell it there as long as it's not something that ill see without looking for it (front entrance display),
I simply dont want to see that evey week when I go to a bookshop.

[Firefox]

Fundies saying that massacres took place because of a scientific fact and nearly 6 milion people being killed are two very different things.

Again, you miss the fucking point. How is your objection to Mein Kampf any different from that of fundies' objections to On the Origin of Species? Whether or not the former had any contribution to the Jewish Holocaust is irrelevant, it's the objections people like yourself have against these books.

I meant that i dont care if they sell it there as long as it's not something that ill see without looking for it (front entrance display),
I simply dont want to see that evey week when I go to a bookshop.

What about fundies who get pissed when they see a copy of Darwin's book in a store window?

[The Grim Squeaker]

.303 bookworm, I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say you are a middle school or high school freshman from Israel. Am I right?

To slightly hijack, .303 is guilty of being brainwashed into a kneejerk on Nazi subjects by our schools.

Basicly in school, the entire subject of Nazisim is under "The most terrible crime ever done, should be banned and never speak of it in anything approaching a positive light unless you like getting gang hit with the teachers 2 meters away not caring".

True enough, it got even worse after out class trip to poland a few months ago .

Again, you miss the fucking point. How is your objection to Mein Kampf any different from that of fundies' objections to On the Origin of Species? Whether or not the former had any contribution to the Jewish Holocaust is irrelevant, it's the objections people like yourself have against these books.

Because one is a scientific fact\theory, the other is unproven propaganda.

An analogy might be why shouldnt i use the bible for a discussion on evolution,why not- because it's a body of unproven opinions!

[salm]

I meant that i dont care if they sell it there as long as it's not something that ill see without looking for it (front entrance display),
I simply dont want to see that evey week when I go to a bookshop.

Btw, according to Wikipedia Mein Kampf is legal in Israel.

[General Zod]

Because one is a scientific fact\theory, the other is unproven propaganda.

How is Mein Kampf different in any significant fashion from Chick tracts, right-wing Christian literature and conspiracy theorist paranoid rantings by your definition? Using that retarded logic anything that can be considered unproven propaganda can be banned.

[salm]

Because one is a scientific fact\theory, the other is unproven propaganda.

How is Mein Kampf different in any significant fashion from Chick tracts, right-wing Christian literature and conspiracy theorist paranoid rantings by your definition? Using that retarded logic anything that can be considered unproven propaganda can be banned.

Indeed. Besides a whole bunch of religious stuff like Chick tracts or the Bible you could also ban the constitution and similar documents for example.

[Ace Pace]

I meant that i dont care if they sell it there as long as it's not something that ill see without looking for it (front entrance display),
I simply dont want to see that evey week when I go to a bookshop.

Btw, according to Wikipedia Mein Kampf is legal in Israel.

From what I understand of .303's point, he isn't objecting to the selling of it being legal, but to it being showcased.
Which as far as I know, is not happening.

[General Zod]

I meant that i dont care if they sell it there as long as it's not something that ill see without looking for it (front entrance display),
I simply dont want to see that evey week when I go to a bookshop.

Btw, according to Wikipedia Mein Kampf is legal in Israel.

From what I understand of .303's point, he isn't objecting to the selling of it being legal, but to it being showcased.
Which as far as I know, is not happening.

In that case it's just stupid fearmongering on his part. I don't see fundies proselytizing in places like Barnes & Nobles in their religious section any more than I'd see neo-nazis spewing hate speech. It just doesn't happen with any degree of frequency to worry about.

[Firefox]

An analogy might be why shouldnt i use the bible for a discussion on evolution,why not- because it's a body of unproven opinions!

And once again, you miss the fucking point. The objection to Mein Kampf you have listed is because you don't like seeing it "showcased" (which, as other people have mentioned, isn't happening to my knowledge). The same logic can be applied to On the Origin of Species. That is because certain people find the book objectionable. This is not sufficient grounds, by a long shot, to outright ban a book in any manner.

[salm]

I meant that i dont care if they sell it there as long as it's not something that ill see without looking for it (front entrance display),
I simply dont want to see that evey week when I go to a bookshop.

Btw, according to Wikipedia Mein Kampf is legal in Israel.

From what I understand of .303's point, he isn't objecting to the selling of it being legal, but to it being showcased.
Which as far as I know, is not happening.

That was a response to one of his first posts in this thread in which he claimed that the book was illegal. I thought that he might have thought that it was illegal because it was illegal in his home country.
That´s why i first thought .303 was German. It´s a big myth here in Germany that "Mein Kampf" is illegal.
Then i found out that he´s form Israel and it didn´t seem unlikely that it was banned in Israel so i looked it up.
Well, it´s not. You can buy it in English and Hebrew.

The only place i know of where it´s illegal to sell it is Holland. In Holland it´s considered "promotion of racial hatred" even though they´re thinking of making it legal to sell a heavily annotated version.
It´s also legal to own and lend it in Holland.

[Surlethe]

Because one is a scientific fact\theory, the other is unproven propaganda.

Would you ban all advertizing?