Battlefield 2 Demo is HERE

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-06-14 02:20am

Julhelm wrote:The airpower is heavily biased in favor of the US team. The F-35 out-turns the Mig29 so bad it's ridiculous. Since I only ever get to play as MEC, because the US team is always stacked (silly patriots), I did manage to steal an F-35, and proceeded to completely own with it until I was forced to return to my airstrip to rearm, at which point I was promptly shot down by my own team *sigh*.

Bah. MiG-29 for teh win. Let the sissies pilot their F-35s, I'll take a Fulcrum any day. I win, too. I was a master dogfighter in both previous games, and just earlier today I was holding my own against the F-35s in my Su-34.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2005-06-14 02:24am

The MEC Bomber seems a little more useful than the US counterpart, which only has two friggin' bombs.

As for the constant locks, well, it could be because there's multiple guys locking you, and the lock tone doesn't distinguish between single and multiple locks. As for the F-35 pwnage, well, I don't know the trick, but I think it's all about setting up a good firing run.

I would also like to mention that Lone Wolfs suck ass. People need to learn to join squads, and check the god-damned mini-map. It's also not my fucking fault if I put down some artillery and you don't notice the huge fucking gun icon in your location. I tell people when I lay down arty, and if you get caught in it anyway, too fucking bad, don't blame me for your stupidity.

I hate it when I get booted from a server by assholes who don't get that if they walk into arty fire, they will die.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-06-14 02:38am

Hotfoot wrote:I would also like to mention that Lone Wolfs suck ass. People need to learn to join squads, and check the god-damned mini-map. It's also not my fucking fault if I put down some artillery and you don't notice the huge fucking gun icon in your location. I tell people when I lay down arty, and if you get caught in it anyway, too fucking bad, don't blame me for your stupidity.

I hate it when I get booted from a server by assholes who don't get that if they walk into arty fire, they will die.

On the flip side of that, nothing is more aggravating than when your squad is making headway on the enemy point and is fighting through the close-quarters brutality after advancing across the desert through a hail of fire, medics sprinting back and forth keeping everyone alive, people respawning on the squad leader, suppression fire every which way, when your commander calls down artillery on the nearly-broken defenses, thus forcing you to fall back and lose all your hard work or die a pointless death.

It's happened to me a few times now, and I'm usually said medic...

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2005-06-14 03:01am

Hence why communication is key, as well as careful watching of the overview map. It's better to hit a location with arty before your men start to move in, so that they get there as its ending, but sometimes, it's not possible to time it so well. Plus, sometimes, there are seriously overwhelming odd that the troops on the ground might not know about.

Suffice to say, you get random results on random servers. I really look forward to what clan matches play like on this game.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2005-06-14 11:17pm

Whoever made the decision to force a connection to the account server before doing anything is a fucking idiot. I can't connect to the account server, so I can't do singleplayer or tweak any settings. Garbage. And this is a fucking demo, not something one could pirate.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-14 11:28pm

Hamel wrote:Whoever made the decision to force a connection to the account server before doing anything is a fucking idiot. I can't connect to the account server, so I can't do singleplayer or tweak any settings. Garbage. And this is a fucking demo, not something one could pirate.

Yeah, I don't agree with how they've limited the demo. The time limits, etc. Just dumb. Thankfully, the time limit problem has been removed on some servers.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2005-06-14 11:33pm

A lot of people have been complaining about the sniper, and I am wondering what the problem is. If you expect to just put the sight on the target and instantly squeeze off some winning headshot at 300m forget about it. But with a bit of patience and a bit of practice, the sniper can be a very big pain in the ass of the enemy. Nothing beats shooting someone in the head and watching 5 idiots around him run around like chickens with their heads cut off while your squadmates pelt them with automatic fire and grenades, all because you got 1 kill with the sniper rifle.
Snipers kill lone crouchers with ease and can keep enemy snipers, AT troops and Stingers off of your squad, it's just a matter of getting used to not getting mass kills and working in a team enviroment.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2005-06-14 11:43pm

Dark Hellion wrote:A lot of people have been complaining about the sniper, and I am wondering what the problem is. If you expect to just put the sight on the target and instantly squeeze off some winning headshot at 300m forget about it. But with a bit of patience and a bit of practice, the sniper can be a very big pain in the ass of the enemy. Nothing beats shooting someone in the head and watching 5 idiots around him run around like chickens with their heads cut off while your squadmates pelt them with automatic fire and grenades, all because you got 1 kill with the sniper rifle.
Snipers kill lone crouchers with ease and can keep enemy snipers, AT troops and Stingers off of your squad, it's just a matter of getting used to not getting mass kills and working in a team enviroment.

Have you been using the allied rifle? I'm not expecting Unreal Tournament accuracy while standing bullshit. I am prone on a stable platform, using the M24 against a STATIONARY TARGET, online, and taking my time to aim and not hitting a god damned thing. Meanwhile, I can get off snapshots on moving targets with the SVD and kill people as they run and dive for cover.

That means something is wrong. Seriously, seriously wrong.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2005-06-15 12:01am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Hamel wrote:Whoever made the decision to force a connection to the account server before doing anything is a fucking idiot. I can't connect to the account server, so I can't do singleplayer or tweak any settings. Garbage. And this is a fucking demo, not something one could pirate.
Yeah, I don't agree with how they've limited the demo. The time limits, etc. Just dumb. Thankfully, the time limit problem has been removed on some servers.

Servers running no timelimit have been blacklisted by the master server. Same with servers enabling the locked weapons.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2005-06-15 12:03am

Yah, the US one is a bit more innacurate, I guess it makes up with power, but frankly since headshots are the way to go with both, this slight power increase is only good in close quarters where you are dead already.
Just keep trying it, I kinda like the allied gun personally, mostly just because it it fun to watch all the animation for it

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2005-06-15 12:22am

Dark Hellion wrote:A lot of people have been complaining about the sniper, and I am wondering what the problem is. If you expect to just put the sight on the target and instantly squeeze off some winning headshot at 300m forget about it. But with a bit of patience and a bit of practice, the sniper can be a very big pain in the ass of the enemy. Nothing beats shooting someone in the head and watching 5 idiots around him run around like chickens with their heads cut off while your squadmates pelt them with automatic fire and grenades, all because you got 1 kill with the sniper rifle.
Snipers kill lone crouchers with ease and can keep enemy snipers, AT troops and Stingers off of your squad, it's just a matter of getting used to not getting mass kills and working in a team enviroment.

No, I expect to be able to hit a standing, stationary target with more than 20% accuracy when I am under 400m away while prone, aiming for his center of mass.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2005-06-15 12:38am

If you aren't its your fault. Sorry, not to be a jerk but I haven't been having these problems that you are having. Now headshots at over 200m get pretty hard, but I have been rather reliably shooting center of mass shots between the USMC bases on the demo map. Really you just have to take a huge amount of time to aim and really expect to not kill them unless you take the risk of aiming at the head.
If you find a good spot and just keep practicing I guarantee you will get the hang of it. Watch from firing to were the round hits the sand for a good idea of bullet speed and action, simply keep holdin left click after firing to watch through the scope.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2005-06-15 01:08am

Dark Hellion wrote:Yah, the US one is a bit more innacurate, I guess it makes up with power, but frankly since headshots are the way to go with both, this slight power increase is only good in close quarters where you are dead already.
Just keep trying it, I kinda like the allied gun personally, mostly just because it it fun to watch all the animation for it

Hmm, let's see...no noticable difference in power, 2-3 shots for body for both guns. Headshots damn near impossible for M24, but not for SVD. You lose your scoped target with the M24 when you reload, but not the SVD.

I mean, we're talking about not being able to hit STATIONARY TARGETS. Do you understand this? I don't know what it is, but I'm betting it's some sort of freakish lag bug. In singleplayer, it's not so bad, but in multiplayer, in 15ms servers, it is damn near impossible to hit a target with the M24, period. Meanwhile, I have no problem AT ALL with the SVD.

So your answer is, it must be our fault. We're shitty shots. Yet you ignore that we can shoot fine with the SVD. So what, we use an aimbot for the SVD or something?

Face it, the M24 is a shitty, shitty gun in this game, especially compared to the competition's weapon. The SVD has a bigger mag, is accurate, and is semi-auto. All benefits, no drawbacks. NONE. Meanwhile, the M24 is all drawbacks, no benefits (sorry, I don't count cool animations as a benefit).

The whole POINT to bolt-action rifles is that they are MORE accurate. So please, tell me, what is this bullshit about how what a great weapon it is?

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2005-06-15 01:20am

I'm new to the BF series, but I'm not new to FPSs. I can aim better than a good 90% of the players I meet out there. It isn't a issue of having poor aim, but a crappy weapon. Seriously, I don't even think the Dragunov was designed as a sniper rifle, while I know for a fact the M-24 is. Both weapons need two hits to kill somebody without a headshot - the M-24 has 5 rounds and is bolt action, while the Dragunov is 10 rounds, semi-auto. And the M-24 isn't even that accurate.

They really need to tweak the weapons... This better be fixed in the retail version.

And EA should really make sure their demos won't be tweaked so they won't have to resort to blacklisting servers

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2005-06-15 02:27am

Exonerate wrote:I'm new to the BF series, but I'm not new to FPSs. I can aim better than a good 90% of the players I meet out there. It isn't a issue of having poor aim, but a crappy weapon. Seriously, I don't even think the Dragunov was designed as a sniper rifle, while I know for a fact the M-24 is. Both weapons need two hits to kill somebody without a headshot - the M-24 has 5 rounds and is bolt action, while the Dragunov is 10 rounds, semi-auto. And the M-24 isn't even that accurate.

They really need to tweak the weapons... This better be fixed in the retail version.

And EA should really make sure their demos won't be tweaked so they won't have to resort to blacklisting servers

The problem in question with the sniper rifles is how EA did it,I picked up the Prima guide(Had twenty bucks hey) and one of the things detailed there in was the fact that all soliders by default have 100 heath, all the assault rifles do 28-39 damage,the Sub's do mid twentys and the shotguns do 12 damage per pellet(Except the american one which does 24 per pellet)

The MG's do 40 and the two auto snipers do 40, while the .50cal and the m24 do 90 damage each

Heatshots inflict 1.5x damage meaning its not possible to oneshot kill anyone with any rifle except the m24 and the .50cal because the max damage doable in one shot is 130 the next higest being 60.

Which is why some servers are modding ground troop heath down to 40-60, which increase the pace of the game quite well.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2005-06-15 11:26pm

I never said the M24 was a great weapon, I said I liked the animation and I think the gun is funner to use. It is neither really better (Bean's post makes good explaination) or as exceptionally worse as you are making it out. i will admit the SVD is currently a much better gun because of the current problem of servers misreading their lag (there are numbers of 0 lag servers, and I have joined <80 lag servers that were as bad as the >200 lag servers I left) simply because you can spam with it easier. The lag issues also make many of the auto's seem overly accurate when in reality it is simply that spraying fire is making it seem like they hit with the first shot because you don't hear/see the first 5-7.
I never said you were a crappy shot, I simply said that I haven't been having big problems, or at least I wasn't. Lately, the servers seem to be getting somewhat laggier, and I am having some of the trouble you describe. I am all but unable to hit crawling targets in the center of mass anymore, and am usually missing completely. I haven't had too much problem with stationary targets presenting center of mass (such as men in stingers or AFKs) but have missed some very close (<50m) headshots, so I am starting to really feel your pain. I must have lucked out to get really good servers at first, because on a >175ms lag server it is pretty much impossible to use a non-auto.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-15 11:31pm

Hamel wrote:
Servers running no timelimit have been blacklisted by the master server. Same with servers enabling the locked weapons.

Wow, that's brilliant of them.

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2005-06-15 11:45pm

It's a pretty good test, IMO. Do you want stats being tallied on servers with proven records of fucking with the game?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-15 11:58pm

GuppyShark wrote:It's a pretty good test, IMO. Do you want stats being tallied on servers with proven records of fucking with the game?

I just think it's petty of them to blacklist serves that simply wanted to enjoy the entire aspect of the map they were given.

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2005-06-16 12:24am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
GuppyShark wrote:It's a pretty good test, IMO. Do you want stats being tallied on servers with proven records of fucking with the game?
I just think it's petty of them to blacklist serves that simply wanted to enjoy the entire aspect of the map they were given.

This "blacklist" is a whole week long, and then the servers get back into the main list.

It strikes me as a "We're serious about this," statement. Anything weaker and they'd ignore it, but it's not harsh enough to cause any real damage.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-06-16 12:24am

Hamel wrote:Servers running no timelimit have been blacklisted by the master server. Same with servers enabling the locked weapons.

What exactly does "blacklisting" entail?

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2005-06-16 12:40am

Uraniun235 wrote:
Hamel wrote:Servers running no timelimit have been blacklisted by the master server. Same with servers enabling the locked weapons.
What exactly does "blacklisting" entail?

Basically, the servers are not listed via Gamespy - thus people can't join them unless they already know the IP address.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-06-16 03:34am

Yikes. Why on earth would they do that? Sounds to me like these servers are basically running a modified version of the game. What's the big deal there, I know they want folks to mod the game...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2005-06-16 05:45am

InnocentBystander wrote:Yikes. Why on earth would they do that? Sounds to me like these servers are basically running a modified version of the game. What's the big deal there, I know they want folks to mod the game...

It has to do withe unlocks, See they were not ment to be in the demo but someone forgot they will still in the code. In the EULA your allowed to create a mod of the game all you want, or mod the engine or underling code all you want VIA the SDK, but modifing the engine standalone is a no-no.

I think the reason they are doing this is because some one over there saw the modders already leaping opon the demo like wolves over a fresh kill and suddenly saw that they did not sufficently cripple the game for demo release, infact you pretty much got with the BF2 engine, the entire game, minus all the maps, which any old person can download, infact EA has to give those out because its part of tech support.

Meaning they are fearing some modder out there going, clickly clickly clicky, there now all you have to do is download the exe file and you run it on your BF2 demo and volia! Its BF2 for free!
Not like they can take back the download once its on the street.

Post by **weemadando** » 2005-06-16 07:26pm

Is there any fucking way to turn up gamma/contrast in this fucking game? Because its FUCKING DARK for me. I spawned in a fucking building and it took me five fucking minutes to get out because I couldn't find the fucking door because the entire thing WAS FUCKING BLACK. SUCH A DEEP FUCKING BLACK I COULDN'T SEE SHIT. My gamma settings through the video card and through gamma panel and powerstrip are just ignored...

And when I COULD play the game, I was really disappointed. A 3ft white picket fence stopping a T-80? Boo. A 3ft white picket fence providing invulnerable cover for an infantryman while a T-80 wails on it? Boo.

As for scalable maps? HAahahahahahhaha! Thats rich. We had a 14 player game. And I saw the enemy twice. TWICE. Both times were when a helicopter sped overhead. No bots in the demo to bolster numbers... Gah. BF2 stands as an enormous let down in my books.