Silliest Fundie quote

[Zero]

Yes, nobody ever said a crutch was a bad thing... but when that crutch comes with the price of forcing that person to relentlessly promote it, and be irrational whenever reality directly contradicts the things that the crutch tells him, things get ugly...

[Civil War Man]

You do know that religion founded the most hospitals? And quarentinning based on OT laws help stop the Black Plague?

On the other hand, the scientific method has given us vaccinations for diseases like polio, smallpox, chicken pox, hepatitis, and measles. It has provided us with critical medical procedures like organ transplants, blood transfusion, and coronary bypass surgery. It has provided us with medications for conditions ranging from acid reflux to social anxiety disorder. Science has given us sanitation and public health, which has more than doubled the lifespan of people living in the first world in the last couple hundred years.

On the other hand, there are still fundies out there who say that germs don't exist, and people get sick because they are sinners.

[Civil War Man]

On another note, although the subject says "Silliest" Fundie quotes, a lot of the quotes mentioned in various links have shown the kind of hateful thoughts so many fundies have.

So, I add to the list the story mentioned in N&P (http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=71200) where some fundie group thinks it would be a good idea to use a labelling system on homosexuals that echoes the system Nazi Germany used to identify their prisoners in concentration camps.[/url]

[Melchior]

You do know that religion founded the most hospitals? And quarentinning based on OT laws help stop the Black Plague?

They also organized processions to ask God to make the plangue vanish, thus spreading it.

[Darth RyanKCR]

That may be incorrect. The book described in this link, http://pubs.acs.org/cen/books/8141/8141books.html says it was because Galileo insisted that only science has all the answers.

And. . . .how does that -not- shatter their small inaccurate view of the world again?

Because the Church was not questioning the model he presented. They questioned whether science has all the answers or do you plan to say that science does have all the answers. He was basically saying that we don't need the church for anything anymore.

I want to amend this slightly. I am posting this before reading posts after it.

Science can answer the what of the world and not the why. Religion tries to answer the why and Galileo was trying to say that Science can answer everything.

[Lord Zentei]

To be fair, Religion does have a purpose. It's an opiate of the masses, and does promote many good things. However, this ends the instant people begin to preach their beliefs are the only true way to be, and that everyone should join them, because their book said so. Of course, if you think that getting faith healing instead of say... a heart bypass... well. Good for you. The rest of us would rather live.

Heh. You know that Karl Marx first popularized that analogy, right? Not that I'm trying to argue against your argument based on this fact (as it would be illogical to do so), but he didn't mean it as a compliment.

[Noble Ire]

Heh. You know that Karl Marx first popularized that analogy, right? Not that I'm trying to argue against your argument based on this fact (as it would be illogical to do so), but he didn't mean it as a compliment.

Perhaps not, but it is true. In many people, there is an inate spirituality that needs to be satisified by religion of some sort. Completely disregarding it is inviting social unrest. The important thing is to clearly define religion as just that, a release or sorts, or a device to make oneself feel better. Heck, if sufficently modernized, religion can even create a decent moral compass. However, when religion mixes with politics and interferes with scientific and social growth, then you have problems.

[Ender]

Science has usefull answers. Religion, however, has inspired hatred, war, ignorance, and tried to slow progress as much as possible. No matter what you claim, religion has done nothing for the world in any realistic manner, and science has done many things. What answers does religion hold, except for bullshit?

To be fair, Religion does have a purpose. It's an opiate of the masses, and does promote many good things. However, this ends the instant people begin to preach their beliefs are the only true way to be, and that everyone should join them, because their book said so. Of course, if you think that getting faith healing instead of say... a heart bypass... well. Good for you. The rest of us would rather live.

Religion has historically slowed progress greatly, yes. It holds zero answers about the world around us, yes. It does however, provide psychological support for those who really need it. Good for them.

Religion does actually have one useful aspect - it presents a unified morality. Much in the way Feng shui i suppossed to end up arranging in a manner astetrically pleasing to the majority of people, the unified morality provided by religion provides a base set of morals that most people can agree to. We've seen from former posters here (eg Pat Kelly) that on their own devices people can justify anything to themself. Religion should be applied in some sort of social contract/ philosophical way to provide society with a standard of ethics. The problem is instead it is used as a way of social control, almost completely negating the good aspect because the controlling method lets those in power twist the group morality to justify what would otherwise have been unjustifiable actions.

I'm not sure how clear that was...

[Darth Wong]

Science can answer the what of the world and not the why.

You're assuming that there is a "why".

Religion tries to answer the why and Galileo was trying to say that Science can answer everything.

And for the umpteenth time, how does this address the fact that the Church demanded he recant his theory? This is utter bullshit. You're just trying to distract attention from the fact that science has succeeded where religion failed. Religion originally sought to explain where the plants came from, what made the wind blow, what caused disease, etc. It failed. Science succeeded. Nothing you say can change that.

[felineki]

Religion also said that cats were the Devil's messengers, and slaughtered cats, causing rats to multiply at a greater rate than they would have, thus making the plague worse. *Yawn*. Try harder.

One of the worst acts of genocide in human history, IMO.

[Noble Ire]

Religion also said that cats were the Devil's messengers, and slaughtered cats, causing rats to multiply at a greater rate than they would have, thus making the plague worse. *Yawn*. Try harder.

One of the worst acts of genocide in human history, IMO.

There were a few actually, which are you refering too in particular?

[felineki]

Religion also said that cats were the Devil's messengers, and slaughtered cats, causing rats to multiply at a greater rate than they would have, thus making the plague worse. *Yawn*. Try harder.

One of the worst acts of genocide in human history, IMO.

There were a few actually, which are you refering too in particular?

The killing off of innocent cats by religious zealots.

[Noble Ire]

The killing off of innocent cats by religious zealots.

Ah, I see now.
Missed that bit.

[Exonerate]

oops, no edit.

Anyway. Whats the big deal with fundies vs evolution? Why do they find it evil? Its not like evolution contradict a god right?

The same exact reason the Catholic church hated Galileo, it shattered there small, inaccurate view of the world and humanity.

That may be incorrect. The book described in this link, http://pubs.acs.org/cen/books/8141/8141books.html says it was because Galileo insisted that only science has all the answers.

More than anything, it underined the Church's authority. The RCC maintained that the sun and other planets revolved around the Earth, and now all of a sudden this Galileo guy came and said that the Sun was the center of the solar system. Hell, the Church knew he was right - Galileo made his discovery while coming up with a new calendar system for the Church. But they couldn't have him proving them wrong, since if they were shown to be wrong in one area, people might start to question their authority in other subjects as well.

[Nephtys]

Organized Religion has always been a mechanism for control. Marx did say that opiate for the masses bit, yes. And it's true. It pacifies a population, and keeps them in line and ignorantly happy. The big deal about Galileo was that he was willing to go.... "Uh.. you guys say this. But it's pretty damn clear that's wrong. Take a look for yourselves. Hey, get your thumbs out of your ears!"

[NPComplete]

You do know that religion founded the most hospitals? And quarentinning based on OT laws help stop the Black Plague?

They also organized processions to ask God to make the plangue vanish, thus spreading it.

To say nothing of the fact that the church forbade doctors to perform autopsies on the grounds that the body was sacrosanct.

That kind of experimentation could have gotten us out of the leeches and bleedings stage a lot sooner.

[Darth Wong]

You do know that religion founded the most hospitals? And quarentinning based on OT laws help stop the Black Plague?

They also organized processions to ask God to make the plangue vanish, thus spreading it.

To say nothing of the fact that the church forbade doctors to perform autopsies on the grounds that the body was sacrosanct.

That kind of experimentation could have gotten us out of the leeches and bleedings stage a lot sooner.

It also bears noting that Christianity encourages the entire neighbourhood to get together and spend an hour or more in a single room, once a week. Not the best way to contain disease outbreaks.

[Silver Jedi]

Ok..Here's a fact for you. And this is NOT an opinion: If there was a big bang, all of the planets would have to be spinning in the same direction. right? Well, what about Uranus which is spinning in an oposite direction of all the other planets in the Solar System. And what about Triton(one of Neptune's moons)which orbits Neptune in a clockwise direction which is the opposite direction of every other moon in the solar system. I would add that those are more evidences of God's handywork, but you would shoot it down as an "opinion".

This one makes me cry on the inside

[Dark Hellion]

Just a little thing about Galileo, the Pope asked him to recant his theory, not the church. The church found him innocent of all charges exept minor boarderline Heresy for insulting the pope, and only demanded a private letter of apology until the pope overturned the ruling. In fact, the Cardinals told Galileo that if he simply didn't show up for his trial and came up with an excuse he would probably get away scottfree after the Pope had time to cool his head. The problem was that Galileo thought that because the Church agreed with him he could get away with just about anything, including all but directly insulting the Pope and his top advisors. The Churches clamp down on science began slightly after the Galileo afair and had more to do with Pascal(or maybe Boyle, one of the pressure dudes) publicly embarassing the Church Scientists.
Galileo just chose a bad time to be the combination of Genius and Jerk. He basically got aquited and then kicked the judge on the way out of court, not exactly the smartest play. Had he lived in Newtons time, he would have been fine, he could have just become a protestant and said fuck you to the Pope without worries.
Hell, Galileos chief supporter was the Popes nephew, he had a damn strong case until he screwed it up himself.

[Zeond]

http://winace.andkon.com/fundies/

Winace's sadly defunct "Fundies Say the Darndest Things!". Several years of quotes from various message boards said by fundies. I've submitted quite a few quotes, and am even mentioned in one of them.

The demise of Fundies Say the Darnest Things has been greatly exagerated: Behold: The new and improved FStDT. Now fully automated with even more IQ reducing potential.

[JediMaster415]

I've never really encountered a fundie but I know I get annoyed talking to the only Christians I know.

If I sit down next to my girlfriend at school and comment that I'm feeling lost because I'm down or ideas aren't coming to me, she'll say 'Open your heart and let God in.' 'No one can make anyone else on Earth happy. Only God can.'

She took me to meet some friends of hers when I was feeling so lost and down that I unplugged everything in my room (lights, computer, TV, alarm clock, etc.). One of them said, 'People aren't allowed to write anything unless it praises God. It's illegal.'

THe only thing that's keeping anywhere near that is the fact that I love my girlfriend.

[General Zod]

I've never really encountered a fundie but I know I get annoyed talking to the only Christians I know.

If I sit down next to my girlfriend at school and comment that I'm feeling lost because I'm down or ideas aren't coming to me, she'll say 'Open your heart and let God in.' 'No one can make anyone else on Earth happy. Only God can.'

She took me to meet some friends of hers when I was feeling so lost and down that I unplugged everything in my room (lights, computer, TV, alarm clock, etc.). One of them said, 'People aren't allowed to write anything unless it praises God. It's illegal.'

THe only thing that's keeping anywhere near that is the fact that I love my girlfriend.

Hate to break it to you, but that's the textbook definition of a fundie. Almost all of them feel the only thing that can make other people happy is God, or that anything that goes against God is wrong if not downright evil, etc.

[Darth Wong]

I've never really encountered a fundie but I know I get annoyed talking to the only Christians I know.

If I sit down next to my girlfriend at school and comment that I'm feeling lost because I'm down or ideas aren't coming to me, she'll say 'Open your heart and let God in.' 'No one can make anyone else on Earth happy. Only God can.'

She took me to meet some friends of hers when I was feeling so lost and down that I unplugged everything in my room (lights, computer, TV, alarm clock, etc.). One of them said, 'People aren't allowed to write anything unless it praises God. It's illegal.'

THe only thing that's keeping anywhere near that is the fact that I love my girlfriend.

I hate to break it to you, but you and your girlfriend have no future unless either:

1) She moderates her beliefs.

2) You join her in fundieland.

[1123581321]

And quarentinning based on OT laws help stop the Black Plague?

Didn't the Black Plague kill a third of the people in Europe? I wounldn't call that a very successful "stopping" on the part of the church.

[felineki]

And quarentinning based on OT laws help stop the Black Plague?

Didn't the Black Plague kill a third of the people in Europe? I wounldn't call that a very successful "stopping" on the part of the church.

Plus there's the whole cat angle that was already mentioned... I'd say that if anything, the church made the Black Death even worse.