Split from ROTS Revelations

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-06-14 12:14pm

From the images on these screen caps I hazard a guess some of you have been to Chinatown or visited your local African street merchant.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-14 12:25pm

Once again we see damage before the visible portion of the bolt hits. I wonder if this is an in-joke by the effects guys.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-06-14 12:27pm

Vympel wrote:Once again we see damage before the visible portion of the bolt hits. I wonder if this is an in-joke by the effects guys.

Is that actual damage or just the flash of the incoming beam on the metal?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-06-14 12:27pm

*gasp* It's "the Workprint."

That's pretty awesome proof of the invisible component/tracer bolt, and more proof that it is indeed a deliberate effect.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-06-14 12:28pm

Unfortunately, the arguments and chit-chat in this thread have somewhat detracted from its original purpose, which was to provide a list of cues (without extraneous bullshit) for me to work off when making the ROTS revelations pages. This thread could use some serious splitting, not to mention a healthy dose of "shut the fuck up" for the chatty people.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-06-14 12:29pm

Stravo wrote:
Vympel wrote:Once again we see damage before the visible portion of the bolt hits. I wonder if this is an in-joke by the effects guys.
Is that actual damage or just the flash of the incoming beam on the metal?

It looks indeed like it's the beginning of an impact. The visible bolt is much too far away for it to be a reflection.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-06-14 12:46pm

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:I calculated from these pics the the juggernaught is about 34 m from the bottom of the wheels to the tip of the mast.
The ICS pegs the height at 30.4 meters, so you're not off by much at all.

well there's always some inaccuracies in the calculations, so that could explain the additionnal 4 m.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-14 02:23pm

To save space I´ll just post the relevant parts of any interesting screencap. (Hopefully these postings are in-line with the topic

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Here´s the weird droids on Utapau, shooting yellow bolts:

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-06-14 02:57pm

An attempt to rationalise the Palpy face-melting scene- namely to rationalise the film and book versions.

The novel describes how Paply's bones and skin were being warped and softened by the effects of force lightening. This has led many to ask whether Palpy's transformation was a deliberate part of his plot to turn Anakin or whether it was an unintentional effect of Palpy's duel with Mace.

Could it be that Palpy's disguise was a very thorough one, including some 'temporary' plastic surgery to alter his facial appearance, a cosmetic job that collapsed under the assault from his own force lightening?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-06-14 06:17pm

Sothis wrote:.Could it be that Palpy's disguise was a very thorough one, including some 'temporary' plastic surgery to alter his facial appearance, a cosmetic job that collapsed under the assault from his own force lightening?

If one were looking for a way to go with the ROTS facial origin without contradicting the explanations we were given in the early EU (about how Palpy's useage of the Dark Side was responsible for his body's degeneration), then yes, I believe this would suit it perfectly.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-15 02:43pm

t seems to me this may be a property of Force lightning, in that if it is stopped, it could just arc toward the nearest person not behind the person stopping, but if there's nobody nearby, then it is just absorbed into the saber.

Or maybe the Emperor did it to himself to make it appear that he was being defeated. Mace Windu has never seen force lightning, how would he know what it would do? And Anakin was in agony when Obi-Wan deflected force lightning in AotC.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2005-06-15 04:16pm

The novelisation makes it quite clear that the lightning arcing back to Palps is due to Windu's vapaadtaking him close to the darkside.

Madurai · Post by **Madurai** » 2005-06-15 05:29pm

Could the ion cannon be a post-RoTS invention? I can't think of a reason why anything as inefficient as the buzz-droid-tipped missile would be used if a better disabling system already existed.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2005-06-15 07:15pm

Madurai wrote:Could the ion cannon be a post-RoTS invention? I can't think of a reason why anything as inefficient as the buzz-droid-tipped missile would be used if a better disabling system already existed.

No, ion cannons are around at the time or ROTS. IIRC, Anikan's fighter had ion cannons.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-06-15 07:18pm

The Invisible Hand has ion cannon callouts as well.

Madurai · Post by **Madurai** » 2005-06-15 07:22pm

Was this observed, or in ICS?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-06-15 07:51pm

In the ICS. In addition, the Munificent class has them as well.

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-06-16 12:15am

Edi wrote:When Anakin goes to Mustafar, we see that the volcanic body is merely the moon of a much larger body that is visible on the background. The massive, seemingly unnatural volcanism could be explained by severe tidal stresses caused by the big planet and possible other bodies in the Mustafar system (e.g. other moons of the same planet). The system is probably rather young, with the moon in such a volatile state.

Excellent analysis overall, and I agree with many of your points, but I thought it should be noted out that the volatility of Mustafar is not particularly evidence of the system being young. Being a moon of a gas giant, Mustafar is almost certainly intended to resemble Jupiter's moon Io, which is presumably about the same age as the rest of our solar system. Your point about the tidal stress driving volcanism, however, is quite accurate, I am sure.

Oskuro · Post by **Oskuro** » 2005-06-16 05:50am

Maybe not such a great revelation, but I was thinking about the image the Empire has on the Emperor. On ANH the imperial officer that nearly gets strangled, accused Vader of being a follower of this weird old cult (The Force)... Hardly the statement you would make if your Emperor was known to be a Sith. Likewise, Tarkin states that Vader is the last surviving Jedi.

On the other hand, Mas Amedda not only sees Palpatine use force lightining, but he is also not suprised a bit about it. And Bail Organa would have been informed by Yoda and Obi-Wan of Palpatine's nature.

The most probable course of action would be Palpatine posing as a normal man, and taking harsh action aganist those who really knew (his most inner circle most probably), and Vader being presented as a normal commander to the public (Maybe as the Republic/Empire's reply to Grievious), and only known to be a force user by those unfortunate enough to see it (or feel it around their necks). In fact, Han Solo did not belive in the force, and was quite suprised to see the blaster fly out of his hand, and, supposedly, he was an Imperial once (or so I've read), so this supports the idea that Vader's nature was not widely known.

As for Organa, if he knew, I see him witholding such information to avoid the repercussions it would have on the Rebel Senators if one of them decided to accuse Palpatine of being a Sith.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-06-16 11:10am

LordOskuro wrote:Maybe not such a great revelation, but I was thinking about the image the Empire has on the Emperor. On ANH the imperial officer that nearly gets strangled, accused Vader of being a follower of this weird old cult (The Force)... Hardly the statement you would make if your Emperor was known to be a Sith. Likewise, Tarkin states that Vader is the last surviving Jedi.

I don't expect career military officers to put much stock in the Force. Admiral Motti would've been a young Republic military officer during the Clone Wars, and he surely would've remembered how the Jedi were eliminated. His comments I think should now be viewed in that context in addition to his obvious obsession with the Death Star and technological terrors.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2005-06-17 03:41am

Techno_Union wrote:
Madurai wrote:Could the ion cannon be a post-RoTS invention? I can't think of a reason why anything as inefficient as the buzz-droid-tipped missile would be used if a better disabling system already existed.
No, ion cannons are around at the time or ROTS. IIRC, Anikan's fighter had ion cannons.

At least originally. It clearly fires green blaster bolts from the outer guns when taking out the Invisible Hand's hangar shields.

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2005-06-17 04:44am

Does anyone have any additional information on these speeder bike troops? They don't appear to be BARC troopers.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-06-17 06:31am

It´s possible they are BARCs, just with different armor.

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-06-18 02:10pm

Clone Sergeant wrote:ARC-170 wing flaps:

Link

The pic speaks for itself. Most likely there to improve maneuverability when operating in an atmosphere.

The official site covers this (yes, they help with atmospheric flight; they also serve as radiators and deflector shield conduits): http://www.starwars.com/databank/starsh ... ter/?id=eu

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2005-06-18 02:35pm

Srynerson wrote:
Clone Sergeant wrote:ARC-170 wing flaps:

Link

The pic speaks for itself. Most likely there to improve maneuverability when operating in an atmosphere.
The official site covers this (yes, they help with atmospheric flight; they also serve as radiators and deflector shield conduits): http://www.starwars.com/databank/starsh ... ter/?id=eu

I know what S-foils are and what function they serve on the ARC-170. I am talking about the flaps on the rear edge of the fighter's wing. Did you even look at the linked picture I posted? You can clearly see that the rear edge of that wing has a flap elevated.