Noghiri vs ST

[Perseid]

OK the scenario is a dozen Noghiri get accidently transported onto a ST ship. The Noghiri are the fully armed Death Commandos we know and love, the ST ship's security Force Fields have been disabled by some technobable plot twist.
Now is there any ST species that could kill 12 Noghiri before they themselves have been wiped out.
ST ship can be of any species and any class.

[Noble Ire]

Physically, the only two species I can think of who could stand up to a Noghri suprise attack would be the Gorn and Species 8472 (by virtue of sheer toughness.) Noghri commandos would outclass the security forces of nearly any ship in the Alpha quadrant, assuming whatever they had to do could be done without taking too long, or without being noticed. Even the Noghri, if trapped, would go down under superior numbers (especially considering the fact that they favor stealth tactics.)

If your asking if a squad of Noghri could take on every inhabitant of a Fed, Borg, Klingon etc. vessel, then no. Assasination or sabotauge is a different matter.

[The Grim Squeaker]

If they have any clue about fed ship layout then they can easily capture the bridge crew, sabotage the warp reactor etc...

They were able to infiltrate the imperial palace (with Thrawns plans, but still)

Theyre good enough that one or two of them is considered excellent protection for Leia. (rather than a squad or two of normal troopers )

[Noble Ire]

If they have any clue about fed ship layout then they can easily capture the bridge crew, sabotage the warp reactor etc...

Heck, all they have to do is ask the computer.

Follow the flashing control panels. They will guide you.

[PurpleTattoo]

Now is there any ST species that could kill 12 Noghiri before they themselves have been wiped out.

Humans could do it. Figure out Noghiri were there, set ship to self destruction, and jump in a shuttle/escape pod.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Now is there any ST species that could kill 12 Noghiri before they themselves have been wiped out.

Humans could do it. Figure out Noghiri were there, set ship to self destruction, and jump in a shuttle/escape pod.

Am i the only one that can see them turning round in the shuttle and saying "Ohhh, shi-"

[Batman]

1. If we're talking about 'The Last Command' ref infiltration of Imperial Palace, those were human Imperial Commandos, not Noghri.
2. I'm going to seriously hurt the next person who spells it 'Noghiri'. There is no second I in Noghri!!!

[Phyre]

Well... My money is on the Noghri. They look like shadows under normal light, even unarmed they're utterly deadly with their claws... And thems some sneaky, tactical mofos.

[Kamakazie Sith]

OK the scenario is a dozen Noghiri get accidently transported onto a ST ship. The Noghiri are the fully armed Death Commandos we know and love, the ST ship's security Force Fields have been disabled by some technobable plot twist.
Now is there any ST species that could kill 12 Noghiri before they themselves have been wiped out.
ST ship can be of any species and any class.

What starship have they been transported on? That matters, 12 super killing death cats won't survive if they have to fight against hundreds of security.

[The Grim Squeaker]

OK the scenario is a dozen Noghiri get accidently transported onto a ST ship. The Noghiri are the fully armed Death Commandos we know and love, the ST ship's security Force Fields have been disabled by some technobable plot twist.
Now is there any ST species that could kill 12 Noghiri before they themselves have been wiped out.
ST ship can be of any species and any class.

What starship have they been transported on? That matters, 12 super killing death cats won't survive if they have to fight against hundreds of security.

But they wont fight them directly, they are stealth commandoes (think a shorter, faster Solid Snake), apart from them being very good fighters.

Star fleet security couldnt catch them if the whole ship was on red alert.

[Kamakazie Sith]

But they wont fight them directly, they are stealth commandoes (think a shorter, faster Solid Snake), apart from them being very good fighters.

Star fleet security couldnt catch them if the whole ship was on red alert.

LOL right. So automatically because they're from the Star Wars universe it gives them a +1000000000 to stealth, combat, ST ship layout knowledge.

Basically, they don't know the ship. They will get lost, and they will get trapped and eliminated.

[Perseid]

The ST ship can be any class, from any speices. So you could have a Fed Galaxy class ship, or a Klingon Vorcha class cruiser, the starship is completly your choice.
With regards to the ship layou, most ST computers are very helpful and will give a ship layout, even if a bit of hacking is required the ST computers don't APPEAR to be as advanced as the SW computers with no where near as much security as a slicer from the SW universe is used to.

[Kamakazie Sith]

The ST ship can be any class, from any speices. So you could have a Fed Galaxy class ship, or a Klingon Vorcha class cruiser, the starship is completly your choice.
With regards to the ship layou, most ST computers are very helpful and will give a ship layout, even if a bit of hacking is required the ST computers don't APPEAR to be as advanced as the SW computers with no where near as much security as a slicer from the SW universe is used to.

Problem with that is they'll have to be very quick. The computer will detect them and they can track them through the use of doors and such. Not to mention they can use gases to incapacitate them.

There is no doubt about the prowess of the combat capabilities of the Noghiri, but they are not Neo or Trinity. If they run into a situation where they are outnumbers 3 to 1 or higher then it's likely that they will die.

[Lone_Prodigy]

There is no doubt about the prowess of the combat capabilities of the Noghiri, but they are not Neo or Trinity. If they run into a situation where they are outnumbers 3 to 1 or higher then it's likely that they will die.

If I remember correctly, in one of the HoT duology books, one Noghiri was cornered by a hit squad of 4+ men. The Noghiri pulled out a knife and began literally jumping from one to the next (ala Yoda in crack-monkey mode) ripping them open. The only reason Luke needed to help was to force-toss away a thermal detonator that one of the hit men dropped before dying.

[Kamakazie Sith]

There is no doubt about the prowess of the combat capabilities of the Noghiri, but they are not Neo or Trinity. If they run into a situation where they are outnumbers 3 to 1 or higher then it's likely that they will die.

If I remember correctly, in one of the HoT duology books, one Noghiri was cornered by a hit squad of 4+ men. The Noghiri pulled out a knife and began literally jumping from one to the next (ala Yoda in crack-monkey mode) ripping them open. The only reason Luke needed to help was to force-toss away a thermal detonator that one of the hit men dropped before dying.

LMAO. Naturally. What were they armed with, and I suppose they missed every shot?

[Noble Ire]

LMAO. Naturally. What were they armed with, and I suppose they missed every shot?

In all fairness, the men were hired goons, and they mistook the Noghri for a human child (it was disguised.) They were in very close quarters, and the assassin had killed all but one of them before the final guy actually got his blaster out. He did miss though.

[Perseid]

There was another situation in the X-Wing book series, i belive it was Isards Revenge, where Noghri are used for the prison break. It took only 12 Noghri to finish clearing the prison of guards and stomies, which gave Corran a shock when he asked the guy incharge where his men were. This is also the reason why I thought a dozen Noghri would be a nice number since if they can kill a prisons worth of guards and stormies without losses then they've gotta be able to serverlly fuck any ST race.

[PurpleTattoo]

If the Trek folks found out where the Noghri were could they just seal up the deck and gas it/irradiate it? I guess what would be harder without force fields, but it might be possible... Of course, even if they could, whether the Federation would actually do such a thing remains open to debate...

[The Grim Squeaker]

If the Trek folks found out where the Noghri were could they just seal up the deck and gas it/irradiate it? I guess what would be harder without force fields, but it might be possible... Of course, even if they could, whether the Federation would actually do such a thing remains open to debate...

Also noticing the Noghri would take time, they would also probably split up into 2-3 groups to minimize exactly what you just said.

[The Original Nex]

A dozen fully trained Noghri Death Commandos against the crew of, say, the E-D? It would be a slaughter! The Redshirts would be dead before they even registered there were hostiles in the area. Noghri are deadly masters of stealth.

[Trooper TK12746]

Since when has anyone in ST use gas in starships (or use gas at all for Feddies and Klingons)? The few times a lethal airborne substance is released, it is usually by accident.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Since when has anyone in ST use gas in starships (or use gas at all for Feddies and Klingons)? The few times a lethal airborne substance is released, it is usually by accident.

The EMH used it to knock off Romulans who had taken over a prototype warship in "Message in a Bottle".

[Batman]

*seriously hurts Kamikazie Sith and Lone_Prodigy*

[CaptJodan]

If we took the latest (most ST modern) incarnation of Trek, Nemesis, then I think we can reasonably be sure that the Noghri wouldn't have any troubles neutralizing the ship. (Or capturing Picard, as the point was in that particular instance)

The Noghri in these Death Squads seem to be highly trained assassins. Pitting them against the Federation's finest red shirt squad isn't much of a contest. Even discounting Nemesis, we've seen countless boarding actions go badly with individauls who didn't necessarily know the layout of the Enterprise. Two Klingon soldiers were able to break out of their cell and proceed quickly without being stopped to the warp core. Roga Danar, a soldier of at least probably equal calibar to a Noghri, was able to elude the Enterprise's entire security force until he escaped, including the gas, and he was but one man with no knowledge of the layout of the Enterprise (Indeed, when first arriving, he didn't even know he was on a Federation starship). A batch of Ferengi were able to quickly neutralize the entire ship after a very brief ship to ship combat session. (Though they did have transporters so they could find themselves on the bridge.)

It really depends more on how the scenario starts out, and who's in command. But if we're talking the Federation's finest (Galaxy or Sov/Picard combo) I would place my bets on the Noghri.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Since when has anyone in ST use gas in starships (or use gas at all for Feddies and Klingons)? The few times a lethal airborne substance is released, it is usually by accident.

The E-D crew has also mentioned and used it on several occasions.