Leia seeing her mommy?
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Leia seeing her mommy?
Please redirect me if someone is already talking about this.
In RotJ, Luke asks Leia about her real mother. Leia describes her. We get the impression that she knew her mother, and really remembers her. I was very surprised to see in the movie that Padme dies before that is possible. What happened there?
I kind of am afraid that there is going to be some reason like, "She knew her through the force," and I would almost rather the reason were, "George Lucas changed his mind."
Does anyone have any ideas, or know something I don't?
In RotJ, Luke asks Leia about her real mother. Leia describes her. We get the impression that she knew her mother, and really remembers her. I was very surprised to see in the movie that Padme dies before that is possible. What happened there?
I kind of am afraid that there is going to be some reason like, "She knew her through the force," and I would almost rather the reason were, "George Lucas changed his mind."
Does anyone have any ideas, or know something I don't?
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I was under the impression that Leia was seeing her true mother, somoething alike Alia in Dune. Through the Force.
EDIT: or that memories of her mother's have beein imprinted on her mind through the force, but she didn't found them consciuoslly until a lot of time later.
EDIT: or that memories of her mother's have beein imprinted on her mind through the force, but she didn't found them consciuoslly until a lot of time later.
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I've met people who claim to remember the day of their own births. It's probably a bullshit pseudo-memory based on things her adoptive mother told her in her childhood about Padme.
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To combine a few of the above suggestions, its possible she saw Padme, and due to the Force remembered her, as opposed to forgetting everything before the age of 3.
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Perhaps it has to do with teh force. Maybe, since the Organa's were senators like Padme, they had videos, But the whole "She was very beautiful, but sad" Thing makes it pretty clear that she felt her mother's feelings. it also implys she knew her mother for longer than 7 seconds. I think Lucas screwed up, even if this against canon, It's what I think.
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I'd attribute it to either describing Mrs. Organa, or a made-up memory if she knows she was adopted. It happens all the time, and really, there's no indication that she could 'see' Padme for all 10 seconds or so before her death. Not much time to be sad in, really. And wasn't Leia's line something akin to "She was... always sad....". I remember her speaking as if her mother was sad on more than one occasion. If that's the case, then she cannot be thinking of Padme without somehow sensing her while in the womb.
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Leia says she only recalled 'images' and 'feelings', so it could be a combination of showing her holos and vague connections through the force, the two playing off eatchother to the point where she felt she at least *barely* recalled her. As opposed to Luke, who would have nothing tangible to pin down whatever he might have sense through the force, at best.
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IIRC, the line was "very beautiful... kind... but sad." or something like that. I'm sure 'kind' was in there somewhere, along with 'sad'.Nephtys wrote:I'd attribute it to either describing Mrs. Organa, or a made-up memory if she knows she was adopted. It happens all the time, and really, there's no indication that she could 'see' Padme for all 10 seconds or so before her death. Not much time to be sad in, really. And wasn't Leia's line something akin to "She was... always sad....". I remember her speaking as if her mother was sad on more than one occasion. If that's the case, then she cannot be thinking of Padme without somehow sensing her while in the womb.
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The main argument against this line of reasoning is that Luke specifically asks Leia if she remembers her real mother. If all that Leia recounts next is a misremembered impression of her adopted mother, that pretty much drains all emotional significance from the scene.Quadlok wrote:She is remembering her foster mother, Senator Organa's wife, who we se briefly at the end of ROTS and who apparently died from unknown causes a couple years later.
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Her memories were obviously bullshit. And remember that Yoda also said something about the Force making people see things from the future AND the past. So there.
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Well i think it comes down to Lucas changing his mind
i mean int he Guide to the SW Universe under Obi Wans entry it reads that originally it was meant to go like this, Obi Wan battles Anakin on Mustafar thinks he died, some time passes and he learns that Anakin is now Darth Vader, he takes Padme and her newborn twins into hidding where there seperated, originally it was meant for Padme to live and i guess she would go into hiding as well
i mean int he Guide to the SW Universe under Obi Wans entry it reads that originally it was meant to go like this, Obi Wan battles Anakin on Mustafar thinks he died, some time passes and he learns that Anakin is now Darth Vader, he takes Padme and her newborn twins into hidding where there seperated, originally it was meant for Padme to live and i guess she would go into hiding as well
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Maybe Leia watched old holo-movies of her mother at home as a child with the Organas (with any footage of Anakin edited out of course, then again, maybe not... they could just tell her that nice looking young man died or something, but that would raise more questions!). That woman sure looked beautiful... kind, but sad. "Who's that pretty sad lady, mommy?" "Oh that's your real mother dear. She died when you were very young." The feelings she remembers could have been from the Force, sure.
These holo-movies were sadly destroyed along with the rest of the Organa estate when Alderaan was destroyed.
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These holo-movies were sadly destroyed along with the rest of the Organa estate when Alderaan was destroyed.
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