Sticking Star Wars fighters into a Sovereign

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-14 07:09am

Yes, this is a very strange question, I know. How many fighters of A-Wing size and design could you fit into a Sovereign, comfortably?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-14 07:24am

There's a picture of the upper shuttlebay at STguardian; the shuttle leaving is a Type 11 (specs from DITL : Length : 14.64 m, Beam : 3.26 m, Height : 4.5 m).

The second shuttlebay was never shown in detail, I believe.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-06-14 03:03pm

Not many, even the largest Trek ships are still slim and slender, not a lot of bulked space for fighters. Question is, why would you want to do this?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-06-14 06:41pm

From that pic, you can see a bulkhead some ~20meters in. Unless it 'u's' out at the port and starboard sides where we can't see it in that pic, you can only fit about 3 or so A-wings. By the markings on the floor, looks like only two shuttles are suppost to be there.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-06-14 07:07pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:Not many, even the largest Trek ships are still slim and slender, not a lot of bulked space for fighters. Question is, why would you want to do this?

Imperial tech is pretty modular and easy to plug-n-play(See: Uglies), so presumably any occupying force would want to make use of the few thousand local hullforms for simple patrol forces. Rip the reactor out, plop in a new one, do the same with the shield grid, give it protorps instead of photons. Whee! You have a patrol vessel.

The shuttlebay hangars could also, conceivably, support TIEs or A-Wings.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-15 04:01am

By the markings on the floor, looks like only two shuttles are suppost to be there.

Both the Constitution and Galaxy class stored most of the shuttles below the actual shuttlebay, so those markings may be elevators.

Here's the MSD of the (pre-refit ?) Sovereign - you can see the shuttle garage one deck below the actual bay.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-15 05:26am

Nitram is right, it is a refit into an effective patrol craft, performed by a desperate group of Sith who have forcefully allied themselves with the Feds. I use a wing because the fighter they're using is similiar in size and proportion to an a wing.

dragon · Post by **dragon** » 2005-06-15 09:59am

Would it be more feasible to refit federation fighters with Imperial tech. Also as I have never read the ICS do the X-wings and such have hypermatter powerplant.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-15 02:37pm

I think the Feddie craft would need to have a couple of turbolasers to be able to be effective patrol craft. And A-wings have hyperdrives, why not use something like TIE Interceptors?

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-17 03:41am

Mainly because it isn't Imperials storing their fighters in the Sovereign (it's a bunch of Sith), but really why all these freaking questions? I want to know how many bloody A WINGS (or a fighter of comparable size and shape) will fit inside the shuttle bay. My reasoning is unimportant, I don't want nor need suggestions. Someone needs to know, and they can't on the board.

Hate to get shirty and all, but can we simply speculate on how many fighters of A Wing size and shape would fit comfortably into a Sovy?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-17 04:10am

Hate to get shirty and all, but can we simply speculate on how many fighters of A Wing size and shape would fit comfortably into a Sovy?

Guestimating from the MSD, I'd say three in the upper shuttlebay, six in the hangar below it, and two in the lower bay. That's five A-wings that can be deployed immediately, plus another six that need to be brought up by elevator before launch.

It *might* also be possible to store another dozen or so in the various cargo bays and beam them out, but it's hardly a practical system.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-17 04:40am

So a squadron eh? How's that for luck, the guy who's writing this story (and can't get on the board) has managed to get it right. Cheers Bounty, and everyone.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-17 08:16am

They could probably fit a couple more in if they removed the aft phasers and torp launchers.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-18 11:29pm

Thus weakening an already weak ship?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-19 04:25am

Ford Prefect wrote:Thus weakening an already weak ship?

Another option would be to use the Akira class. The backgound info for the ship states that the (fairly large) front and aft shuttlebays are connected, allowing the ship to be used as a fighter carrier. It'd be a more logical choice for conversion then a Sovereign, and since there is very little info on the Akira, he would have a bit more creative freedom writing about it.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-19 04:34am

Not bad at all bounty. I'll pass it along.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-20 02:21am

Right, now he wants to know how many you could fit into an Akira. Any ideas?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-20 12:29pm

Right, now he wants to know how many you could fit into an Akira. Any ideas?

DITL speculates tat it carries 36 "attack fighters" (I think he means Peregrines - 14 x 13.6 x 4.53m) plus a nimber of auxiliary craft.

Say, 60-ish A-wings, if you park them close together and keep a few in storage below the shuttlebays.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-06-20 02:06pm

If the Akira had dedicated hanger space inside, it could carry an insane number of fighters. 60 A-Wings could easily fit inside that space.

Kaintukee_Bob · Post by **Kaintukee_Bob** » 2005-06-20 03:21pm

But that would put these (expensive) fighters in an already underpowered vessel, with little effective shielding or armor.

I'd say a Vic class Star Destroyer or even a Dreadnaught would be a much better chioce, if any Imperial vessels at all were avaliable. OTOH, were they not, this would be an effective carrier, though it should by no means be part of the Feddie standard 'moving wall' attack pattern. Carriers are too valuable.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-20 03:25pm

I'd say a Vic class Star Destroyer or even a Dreadnaught would be a much better chioce, if any Imperial vessels at all were avaliable.

Obviously, Imperial ships aren't available :

it is a refit into an effective patrol craft, performed by a desperate group of Sith who have forcefully allied themselves with the Feds.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-06-20 03:31pm

I would use Nebula class starships with pods scratchbuilt as fighter hangars.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-20 03:33pm

Isn't the Akira a smaller ship than the soveriegn with very little room for anything besides a bridge, weapons, and engines?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-06-20 04:01pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Isn't the Akira a smaller ship than the soveriegn with very little room for anything besides a bridge, weapons, and engines?

Smaller, but purpose built. So it doesn't have science and exploration assets.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-20 04:46pm

But if you put that carrying space into it, it wouldn't have room for weapons, a warp drive, or a medical bay. It would have a bridge, impulse engines, and space to carry a handful of fighters (60 is a ridiculous number). And almost no room for fuel. It becomes essentially useless as anything other than a 3rd rate carrier. It would do much better in its assigned role, an attack craft.