Sticking Star Wars fighters into a Sovereign

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-20 04:51pm

Isnt the Akira about two thirds the size of the Galaxy class? If so, there should be room for a good deal of fighter craft (not 60, but still a good number) if you clear out most of the saucer section, and still have enough room for the bridge, drives, weapons, etc.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-06-20 04:55pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:But if you put that carrying space into it, it wouldn't have room for weapons, a warp drive, or a medical bay. It would have a bridge, impulse engines, and space to carry a handful of fighters (60 is a ridiculous number). And almost no room for fuel. It becomes essentially useless as anything other than a 3rd rate carrier. It would do much better in its assigned role, an attack craft.

Incorrect. The Defiant already shows just what can be crammed into a warship. The M/AM reactor is actualy in the nacell connecting pylons. You can easily fit 60 A-Wings into an Akira without compromising it.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-21 06:41am

Brilliant. Sixty fighters or so, a couple of squadrons is just perfect.

And to Kaintuckee Bob, There isn't anything as big as a Vicstar around, or just about.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-06-21 05:36pm

Ford Prefect wrote:Brilliant. Sixty fighters or so, a couple of squadrons is just perfect.

And to Kaintuckee Bob, There isn't anything as big as a Vicstar around, or just about.

There were reportedly larger vessels built by the Dominion.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-21 07:32pm

Here is a link to the Akira.

http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship_dat ... om/aki.php

It is 464.43 meters long, 316.67 meters wide, and 87.43 meters high.
It really doesn't have room for fighters (judging by the amount of stuff crammed into it) without removing most or all of its firepower. And the way its shaped also makes it more difficult to fit fighters in.

TimothyC · Post by **TimothyC** » 2005-06-21 08:38pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Here is a link to the Akira.

http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship_dat ... om/aki.php

It is 464.43 meters long, 316.67 meters wide, and 87.43 meters high.
It really doesn't have room for fighters (judging by the amount of stuff crammed into it) without removing most or all of its firepower. And the way its shaped also makes it more difficult to fit fighters in.

D (The Guy that runs that site) doesn't keep it all that acuarate/up to date. He's also worse than GK about miss labbleing facts.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-06-21 08:54pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Here is a link to the Akira.

http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship_dat ... om/aki.php

It is 464.43 meters long, 316.67 meters wide, and 87.43 meters high.
It really doesn't have room for fighters (judging by the amount of stuff crammed into it) without removing most or all of its firepower. And the way its shaped also makes it more difficult to fit fighters in.

I have to question these inordinately precise measurements. Does this guy work on ILM? If not, why trust someone who can't even understand how significant figures work?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-22 07:04am

I have to question these inordinately precise measurements. Does this guy work on ILM? If not, why trust someone who can't even understand how significant figures work?

The figures come from the DS9 tech manual. There's an article on EAS
++http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/artic ... a-size.htm
that deals with the size of the ship; based on on-screen evidence, 440m (+-10) appears to be the correct size.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-06-22 07:45am

Bounty wrote:
I have to question these inordinately precise measurements. Does this guy work on ILM? If not, why trust someone who can't even understand how significant figures work?
The figures come from the DS9 tech manual. There's an article on EAS
++http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/artic ... a-size.htm
that deals with the size of the ship; based on on-screen evidence, 440m (+-10) appears to be the correct size.

Since the TM is neither canon nor official, I guess we can conclude that while the figures are in the right ballpark, they are factually incorrect.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-06-22 08:02am

Eleas wrote:
There were reportedly larger vessels built by the Dominion.

By nothing larger than a Vicstar, I mean on the Imperial side of things.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-22 08:09am

Ford Prefect wrote:
Eleas wrote:
There were reportedly larger vessels built by the Dominion.
By nothing larger than a Vicstar, I mean on the Imperial side of things.

The biggest Dominion ships are the ~1500m Battleship, and a possible 4500m warship, though was almost certainly a perspective/scaling error.

How big is this Vicstar ?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-22 01:54pm

A Victory Star Destroyer is only 900 meters long.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-06-22 07:30pm

Bounty wrote: The biggest Dominion ships are the ~1500m Battleship, and a possible 4500m warship, though was almost certainly a perspective/scaling error.

There's no way of knowing if the huge ones were battleships, carriers, or simply troop transports or refueling vessels. It's quite possible that the Dominion is able to build 5km vessels, but that does not imply they would be capable enough to enter battle.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-23 04:30am

Eleas wrote:
Bounty wrote: The biggest Dominion ships are the ~1500m Battleship, and a possible 4500m warship, though was almost certainly a perspective/scaling error.
There's no way of knowing if the huge ones were battleships, carriers, or simply troop transports or refueling vessels. It's quite possible that the Dominion is able to build 5km vessels, but that does not imply they would be capable enough to enter battle.

Personally, I don't think the Dominion has 5km ships. The crew of the Valiant were surprised to see a mile-long ship, we've never before seen the 5km überships, and it's visually identical to the "normal" battlecruiser. It's like the 600+m BoP's from The Defector : they make absolutely no sense, other then to look threatening.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-06-23 09:10am

Bounty wrote: Personally, I don't think the Dominion has 5km ships. The crew of the Valiant were surprised to see a mile-long ship, we've never before seen the 5km überships, and it's visually identical to the "normal" battlecruiser. It's like the 600+m BoP's from The Defector : they make absolutely no sense, other then to look threatening.

If the scaling is correct, they have 5km ships. WYSIWYG, sadly.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-24 12:53pm

Can you reference me to a site with correct stats?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-06-24 01:01pm

Can you reference me to a site with correct stats?

For the Akira ? The Dominion ship ? What kind of stats are you looking for ?

drachefly · Post by **drachefly** » 2005-06-28 05:16pm

I don't see the disadvantage of ripping out the phasers and torp launchers -- they're basically useless against SW shields anyway, so why not?

If you had a WWI dreadnaught and needed something to carry helicopters around, would you not ditch the deck guns?