PurpleTattoo tries too hard

[PurpleTattoo]

Holy shit, no kidding? I'd love to see the proof.

Proof of what? That an unarmed man can cause massive damage to another unarmed man? Do I really need to provide proof for that?

That's the dumbest comment I've read in this thread. I know it's not yours, but you realize that when a chimp can easily rip apart full grown human males then it becomes scientific.

I'm afraid I don't really understand you. To be perfectly scientific controled experiments would be the best. Have the person and the chimp do exactly the same thing. You know the drill.

Btw, the man in that account was seriously wounded by not literally riped to pieces. But I doubt the chimps it question were giving it their all...

[Dalton]

Holy shit, no kidding? I'd love to see the proof.

Proof of what? That an unarmed man can cause massive damage to another unarmed man? Do I really need to provide proof for that?

Strawman. You claimed that an average unarmed man could do what that chimp did - i.e. sever another's testicles and foot.

Now prove it.

[Maraxus]

How does that not prove the chimp's super strength? Have you ever felt your ankle? do you know how much bone is in that particular area of the body? Do you know how hard bone is? there is a reason why bones that shatter are such a difficult thing to heal, its hard to make them in the first place.
and second, have you ever felt your scrotum (which i'm sure you have if you've got one)? do you know how elastic it is? the skin on your scrotum is designed to stretch much more than the skin on the rest of your body.

If you've got an alternate explination, please explain. I'd like to hear.

[PurpleTattoo]

Did you actually read that comment. I don't give a shit if you're Mr. Fucking World. You're not going to be able to tear someones foot off.

Yes, I did - before you posted it actually. Was the foot actually ripped off? The article says "severed." It could have been bitten or who knows what. The testicles bit, though - ouch.

You could be right though - a more detailed report would help.

[Civil War Man]

Btw, the man in that account was seriously wounded by not literally riped to pieces.

Did you even fucking read the article?

St. James Davis is in critical condition with massive injuries to his face, arm and leg. His testicles and a foot were severed and he will require extensive surgery to re-attach his nose.

1) testicles ripped off
2) foot ripped off
3) nose ripped off

Considering that there are now rather a number of parts no longer attached to him, I'd say he was quite literally ripped to pieces.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Proof of what? That an unarmed man can cause massive damage to another unarmed man? Do I really need to provide proof for that?

Nice dodge, but it won't work. Dalton specifically asked for proof that a human of moderate strength can cause the same injuries to a 60+ year old man with his bare hands.

In other words, prove that a human of moderate strength can severe a persons foot with his bare hands.

I'm afraid I don't really understand you. To be perfectly scientific controled experiments would be the best. Have the person and the chimp do exactly the same thing. You know the drill.

Now we're talking perfectly scientific. That's irrelevant. The results can be observed and tested. That makes it scientific. The fact that the injuries occured and people witnessed the Chimp doing that makes it scientific. You don't need lab testing to confirm whether or not a human can bench 50lbs, you just need a demonstration.

Btw, the man in that account was seriously wounded by not literally riped to pieces. But I doubt the chimps it question were giving it their all...

His foot was severed.

sev·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (svr)
v. sev·ered, sev·er·ing, sev·ers
v. tr.
To set or keep apart; divide or separate.
To cut off (a part) from a whole.
To break up (a relationship, for example); dissolve. See Synonyms at separate.

Now unless severed has a different meaning medically, then the foot was ripped off.

[Soontir C'boath]

Did you actually read that comment. I don't give a shit if you're Mr. Fucking World. You're not going to be able to tear someones foot off.

Yes, I did - before you posted it actually. Was the foot actually ripped off? The article says "severed." It could have been bitten or who knows what. The testicles bit, though - ouch. You could be right though - a more detailed report would help.

You're still evading to prove it, one way or the other of how it's taken off.

[PurpleTattoo]

Hmm... looks like a found one... sort of:

Mrs. Davis said that her husband kept trying to get away and kept trying to calm or reason with the chimps as he fought to escape them. The attack lasted less than five minutes, before the sanctuary owner's son in law shot the chimpanzees, killing them both.

When it was done, LaDonna Davis had lost part of her thumb.

For trying to save his wife, St. James Davis lost all of his fingers, part of his nose, cheek, lips and part of his buttocks. One of his feet was mutilated, his heel bone was cracked and his genitals were mauled.

Does that help at all? Note that more than four minutes is a long time for two chimps to fuck up an old guy.

[Civil War Man]

Okay, 4 minutes. You now have 4 minutes to rip off someone's foot, testicles, nose, give them severe injuries to the face, arms, and legs, and bite the thumb off a woman. And you can only use your bare hands. Since there were two chimpanzees, I'll let you bring a buddy.

Still think it's possible?

[Darth Wong]

Does that help at all? Note that more than four minutes is a long time for two chimps to fuck up an old guy.

Hey dumb-fuck:
http://friendsofwashoe.org/learn_about_ ... zees.shtml

the upper body strength of a mature chimpanzee is 8-10 times that of humans.

Get a fucking clue, moron.

[Maraxus]

Are you going to answer Daltons question anytime in the foreseable future?

[PurpleTattoo]

Another source:

One of the chimps bit St. James' head first and then his arms. The second began gnawing at his foot.

http://www.chimpcollaboratory.org/news/ahr9.asp

and the link for the quote in my last post:

http://www.naebunny.net/~mommylemur/arc ... james.html

It doesn't look to me like the foot was *ripped* off.

[Darth Wong]

What part of "mature chimps have 8-10 times typical human strength" do you not understand, exactly?

[Dalton]

Cut the semantics bullshit and answer the question, fucker.

[PurpleTattoo]

the upper body strength of a mature chimpanzee is 8-10 times that of humans.

Which humans? Extreme or average? Pound for pound or no? If extreme, does this mean a chimp can deadlift 4000 to 10,000 lbs? Probably not. As you can see, such numbers aren't clear.

Okay, 4 minutes. You now have 4 minutes to rip off someone's foot, testicles, nose, give them severe injuries to the face, arms, and legs, and bite the thumb off a woman. And you can only use your bare hands. Since there were two chimpanzees, I'll let you bring a buddy.

Still think it's possible?

Two strong guys could easily kill the victim within less than a minute (depending on how much and how well he resisted). Many of the injures may have been caused by the chimps bite. Do I think a human can bite like that? Probably not.

[Maraxus]

He wasn't asking if they could kill him in 4 minutes, he was asking if they could do that much bodily harm in 4 minutes.
Answer the damn question.

[Soontir C'boath]

Two strong guys could easily kill the victim within less than a minute (depending on how much and how well he resisted). Many of the injures may have been caused by the chimps bite. Do I think a human can bite like that? Probably not.

Hey asshole, you nicely dodge your shitpan earlier about a chimp tearing limbs off. Prove that a man can do the same and under five minutes as said in the article, you dumb evading fuck.

[Darth Wong]

the upper body strength of a mature chimpanzee is 8-10 times that of humans.

Which humans? Extreme or average? Pound for pound or no? If extreme, does this mean a chimp can deadlift 4000 to 10,000 lbs? Probably not. As you can see, such numbers aren't clear.

You're full of shit. It's obviously based on averages, and it obviously means that a typical chimp can beat the shit out of a typical human. And despite your bullshit beliefs, the average US Army soldier is not Conan. Stop dancing around an obvious loss and just admit you're fucking wrong already, moron. You didn't believe that chimps are much stronger than humans, and you were wrong. If you honestly think that anyone won't see right through your handwaving, you're living in a world of denial.

[Dalton]

the upper body strength of a mature chimpanzee is 8-10 times that of humans.

Which humans? Extreme or average? Pound for pound or no? If extreme, does this mean a chimp can deadlift 4000 to 10,000 lbs? Probably not. As you can see, such numbers aren't clear.

And therefore a "human with only moderate strength" can go toe-to-toe with a chimp? You're a goddamn moron, you know that?

[PurpleTattoo]

It's obviously based on averages, and it obviously means that a typical chimp can beat the shit out of a typical human.

I conceded that the average chimp is stronger than the average man a long damn time ago. Though I do dare anyone to try and find it as a concession without a "and" "but" "maybe" or just bullshit attatched to it...go on, it's like playing hide and seek through the forum!

Still, 8 to 10 times a lot. The average male can bench at least 100-150 lbs, right? Does this mean the average chimp can bench 800 to 1500 lbs? That could be correct, but I haven't data to prove it yet.

Hey asshole, you nicely dodge your shitpan earlier about a chimp tearing limbs off.

Which limbs were torn off? The foot may well have been chewed off, not ripped off. And I'm not arguing that man can bite as well as chimps.

[PurpleTattoo]

And therefore a "human with only moderate strength" can go toe-to-toe with a chimp?

Good thing for me I never said or implied that. I said he could cause massive injury to an old man. I don't think that attack shows the upper limit of chimp power. I'm just generally being as irritating a little cockmunch as I can, stacking bullshit post on bullshit post and then eventually turning around and claiming that I was never claiming anything in the first place...isnt this such fun?

[Zor]

It's obviously based on averages, and it obviously means that a typical chimp can beat the shit out of a typical human.

I conceded that the average chimp is stronger than the average man a long damn time ago.

Still, 8 to 10 times a lot. The average male can bench at least 100-150 lbs, right? Does this mean the average chimp can bench 800 to 1500 lbs? That could be correct, but I haven't data to prove it yet.

There is more to Strength than Load Bearing, Dipshit.

Zor

[Dalton]

And therefore a "human with only moderate strength" can go toe-to-toe with a chimp?

Good thing for me I never said or implied that. I said he could cause massive injury to an old man.

Any fucker can do that. What you said is that a "human with only moderate strength" could do what the chimp did. You've so far failed to prove that an unarmed "human with only moderate strength" could sever body parts.

I don't think that attack shows the upper limit of chimp power.

...and?

[PurpleTattoo]

In what way is a chimp measurably 8 to 10 times stronger than the average man? And how did we get these figures? And how did we arrive at a definition of force and an emperical notion of mass and how did we know that the universe even exists?

And I just want to be clear we're not talking about super hero type strength here just before I go off on a tangent about some stupid notion of which super hero is really super and what we mean by super and the origins of the term hero and all sorts of other horseshit to irritate, bore annoy and otherwise attempt to dodge the issue. Is that agreed? Or do we think that chimps are usually a lot stronger than the strongest men which would rather be what is implied by 8 to 10 times stronger on avearge...a higher average and all that...but hey, I can keep spinning it like Karl Rove on the decks cant I?

Funny edit, btw, albiet not especially correct I'm actually more of a troll than a sophist just to be pedantic... Who did that?

[PurpleTattoo]

You've so far failed to prove that an unarmed "human with only moderate strength" could sever body parts.

Those wounds appear to have been caused by the chimps' bites, not their arms and hands. Do I think a man can bite like that? No, as I've said. This attack may well prove great strength of jaw for the chimp I'll just ignore the info on upper body strength for now because dammnit, I'm just having far too much fun picking nits like a particularly stoned chimp. Happy I know I am, I think I may get another five pages out of changing it into a discussion on bites...wont that be fun?