And the Reds are stealing you precious bodily fluids. Did you forget your medication again ?The second SCN looks like anything other than the perfect federation bridge crew the agents of Schneider reveal their aggression.
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Let them come. Its not like they would be hard to debate.
Anyway, The Federation, No matter how you spinn would be hard pressed to defeat the Hapan Consortium, A minor Star Wars power, How could they hope to take on the Galactic Empire? Star Trek ground forces are impotent they have only security forces to fight any ground battle. What could they do to one AT-AT?
Anyway, The Federation, No matter how you spinn would be hard pressed to defeat the Hapan Consortium, A minor Star Wars power, How could they hope to take on the Galactic Empire? Star Trek ground forces are impotent they have only security forces to fight any ground battle. What could they do to one AT-AT?
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He's admited to being a member of both places before..Gordonfrost wrote: That's interesting how defensive you get whenever someone makes the slightest criticism of their board, almost as if you were a member there.
The second SCN looks like anything other than the perfect federation bridge crew the agents of Schneider reveal their aggression.
There are several people that are at both places (Montcalm/Maple Dog, JD, and others), and are not in any trouble with anyone on either side.
Les's tell the truth here Sendell, You were a member once too. You got booted for your antics and now you're mad.
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I am not Sendell but is it just because I criticise these rebels that I am labelled an enemy of their board? It must be easy to ignore any critics by dismissing them as Sendell, Saucer_section, or one of the few other trolls that have irritated them in their little games.MariusRoi wrote:You are Sendell you nut.Gordonfrost wrote:Some of their members are happy to call in various internet based attacks that violate the privacy of anyone who opposes them. The administrators of the board have already felt what it's like to suffer the consequences of their attacks on you, Lord Wong, but they aren't afraid to stir up anti SD.net hatred amongst their less experienced members. Just look at how militant some of them can get when someone offends them in the slightest. http://scn.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f ... 362963/p/2
From reading the board and hearing the increasingly aggressive tone of the members I can' help but feel that they're planning something.
You got banned for the what was it? 11? sockpupets you made.
Yes you are. I'd like to point out this (JD's) ForumGordonfrost wrote:I am not Sendell but is it just because I criticise these rebels that I am labelled an enemy of their board? It must be easy to ignore any critics by dismissing them as Sendell, Saucer_section, or one of the few other trolls that have irritated them in their little games.MariusRoi wrote:You are Sendell you nut.Gordonfrost wrote:Some of their members are happy to call in various internet based attacks that violate the privacy of anyone who opposes them. The administrators of the board have already felt what it's like to suffer the consequences of their attacks on you, Lord Wong, but they aren't afraid to stir up anti SD.net hatred amongst their less experienced members. Just look at how militant some of them can get when someone offends them in the slightest. http://scn.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f ... 362963/p/2
From reading the board and hearing the increasingly aggressive tone of the members I can' help but feel that they're planning something.
You got banned for the what was it? 11? sockpupets you made.
here
Where you admit you were the Sendell who used SCN names as Sock puptets on Manny Coto's Forum. Which if I understand correctly is ID theft. Why else would you openly support an invation of SCN unless you had a vendeta against them?
What Pathetic excuse are you going to use now?
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You better not pull that here.Gordonfrost wrote:I actually do like your board JD, the rest of the stuff is something of an experiment, use a stolen e-mail address, cause as much annoyance as possible and then learn more about the internet and come back when I'm banned. Row Row Row.
As for SCN, there is no reason for us to "do something" about them. If they want to create a board for discussing Star Wars solely from the perspective of people who prefer Star Trek over it with no counterbalancing voices, that's their problem. But it would make something of a mockery of Schneider's claims to be above this sort of thing, wouldn't it
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There won't be any problems here, this place is just too big for any one person to cause any problems.Darth Wong wrote:You better not pull that here.Gordonfrost wrote:I actually do like your board JD, the rest of the stuff is something of an experiment, use a stolen e-mail address, cause as much annoyance as possible and then learn more about the internet and come back when I'm banned. Row Row Row.
As for SCN, there is no reason for us to "do something" about them. If they want to create a board for discussing Star Wars solely from the perspective of people who prefer Star Trek over it with no counterbalancing voices, that's their problem. But it would make something of a mockery of Schneider's claims to be above this sort of thing, wouldn't it
I've read Darkstar's website and even he admits the Federation couldn't stand against the full might of the Empire.Firefox wrote:One only needs to see he-who-will-not-be-named's website, as well as his disciple's version of bizarro SD.net, to see that the pro-Trek bastion is still there.
As far as I know the vast majority of pro-Trek debators think the Federation would be to the Empire as the Tau are to the Imperium of Man. They might be able to stand up to a limited campaign but against the full forces of the Empire they'd be doomed.
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In my experience, most older Trekkies are fairly reasonable about it but the youngsters (who I suspect comprise most of the Trektards) tend to believe stupid shit like the Enterprise wiping out 20 Star Destroyers before going down. The only reason kids like that concede Imperial victory is that the sheer number of ships the Empire can field.Junghalli wrote:I've read Darkstar's website and even he admits the Federation couldn't stand against the full might of the Empire.Firefox wrote:One only needs to see he-who-will-not-be-named's website, as well as his disciple's version of bizarro SD.net, to see that the pro-Trek bastion is still there.
As far as I know the vast majority of pro-Trek debators think the Federation would be to the Empire as the Tau are to the Imperium of Man. They might be able to stand up to a limited campaign but against the full forces of the Empire they'd be doomed.
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I cannot believe there are no longer those who claim the fleet seen in RotJ comprised the bulk of the Imperial Navy, even after witnessing the sheer number of VenStars at Coruscant in RotS.Darth Wong wrote:The only reason kids like that concede Imperial victory is that the sheer number of ships the Empire can field.
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Well, if these kids are such rabid Trek fans and Wars haters, perhaps they have simply avoided seeing the movie(s).I cannot believe there are no longer those who claim the fleet seen in RotJ comprised the bulk of the Imperial Navy, even after witnessing the sheer number of VenStars at Coruscant in RotS.
I think he's paraphrasing a line from a film or TV show, but I can't remember which one.Bounty wrote:What the fuck ? You can dislike them all you want, but they're about as far from a "threat" to SDN as you can get.Unless we do something about them they will become a growing threat to the peace of this community.
It depends. If it goes about ff's sure, why not. FF is ff and nothing will change it. And if someone want to write a story about one ST ship killing 20 SSD and still running away from the rest of the fleet - why not. As long as the story is good, of course.
Numbers? Who the fuck know. Depends of how you take it. As for the "standard" rules - ST will never win a war, could win some battles.
If someone take "top-numbers", assume that "exotic" tech works as good against SW as it works against ST or better, assume that Fed can outbuild GE a'la Dominion Wars production and assume that all weird statements about ST tech work (like lasers and navigational shields) then possibly - but I think even with max-pro-trek assumption it will be hard fight.
BTW - GE fleet at it's height has how many? 25.000 SD's?? Not that big for super-production-powers of galaxy spanning empire. And it's not whole galaxy. Hutt's, Hapans, unknow territories etc are not part of NR or OR and unknowns were not part of GE (I think the name sugesst it). Add Ssi-ruvi and the SW super-powers will grow smaller and smaller
Numbers? Who the fuck know. Depends of how you take it. As for the "standard" rules - ST will never win a war, could win some battles.
If someone take "top-numbers", assume that "exotic" tech works as good against SW as it works against ST or better, assume that Fed can outbuild GE a'la Dominion Wars production and assume that all weird statements about ST tech work (like lasers and navigational shields) then possibly - but I think even with max-pro-trek assumption it will be hard fight.
BTW - GE fleet at it's height has how many? 25.000 SD's?? Not that big for super-production-powers of galaxy spanning empire. And it's not whole galaxy. Hutt's, Hapans, unknow territories etc are not part of NR or OR and unknowns were not part of GE (I think the name sugesst it). Add Ssi-ruvi and the SW super-powers will grow smaller and smaller
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Does the 25k number include support ships (carrack's, dreadnoughts, acclamators, interdictors)?Kruk wrote: BTW - GE fleet at it's height has how many? 25.000 SD's?? Not that big for super-production-powers of galaxy spanning empire. And it's not whole galaxy. Hutt's, Hapans, unknow territories etc are not part of NR or OR and unknowns were not part of GE (I think the name sugesst it). Add Ssi-ruvi and the SW super-powers will grow smaller and smaller
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It was supposed to only include Star Destroyers -- though I'm not sure if VSDs are included in that.the .303 bookworm wrote:Does the 25k number include support ships (carrack's, dreadnoughts, acclamators, interdictors)?Kruk wrote: BTW - GE fleet at it's height has how many? 25.000 SD's?? Not that big for super-production-powers of galaxy spanning empire. And it's not whole galaxy. Hutt's, Hapans, unknow territories etc are not part of NR or OR and unknowns were not part of GE (I think the name sugesst it). Add Ssi-ruvi and the SW super-powers will grow smaller and smaller
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No, thats just the ISDs. Other warships, more or less powerful, are not counted, and typically far more numerous. The total could well be in the millions for the Empire alone.the .303 bookworm wrote:Does the 25k number include support ships (carrack's, dreadnoughts, acclamators, interdictors)?Kruk wrote: BTW - GE fleet at it's height has how many? 25.000 SD's?? Not that big for super-production-powers of galaxy spanning empire. And it's not whole galaxy. Hutt's, Hapans, unknow territories etc are not part of NR or OR and unknowns were not part of GE (I think the name sugesst it). Add Ssi-ruvi and the SW super-powers will grow smaller and smaller
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Remember, the Empire had what, thirty years to produce all those Impstars? That's pretty fucking impressive when you consider there's thwenty five thousand of them, especially considering the majority would have built in less than thirty years.
And no, no one seriously thinks Star Trek can win. unless they're brainless and arrogant.
And no, no one seriously thinks Star Trek can win. unless they're brainless and arrogant.
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No one think that Federation could win that. Or FKR alliance, or Dominion or... most (excluding god like) races.
If you say that Trek (I assume whole Trek as all races even the alliens of the week) wont win then it sound a little stupid.
If you say that Trek (I assume whole Trek as all races even the alliens of the week) wont win then it sound a little stupid.
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More like 19 years, actually, considering they entered service immediately after the Clone Wars at the earliest.Ford Prefect wrote:Remember, the Empire had what, thirty years to produce all those Impstars? That's pretty fucking impressive when you consider there's thwenty five thousand of them, especially considering the majority would have built in less than thirty years.
And given that they have the capacity to construct a 900km battlestation in around a year in secrecy, I'm not surprised they can field 25k ImpStars.
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This from the guy who stole my ID to make idiotic posts over at Manny Coto's forum. And yeah, they hate SD.net so much that I actually got banned from SCN because I started posting here. Oh wait, no I didn't. I wonder, how many sockpuppets do you have on this BBS?Gordonfrost wrote:There won't be any problems here, this place is just too big for any one person to cause any problems.Darth Wong wrote:You better not pull that here.Gordonfrost wrote:I actually do like your board JD, the rest of the stuff is something of an experiment, use a stolen e-mail address, cause as much annoyance as possible and then learn more about the internet and come back when I'm banned. Row Row Row.
As for SCN, there is no reason for us to "do something" about them. If they want to create a board for discussing Star Wars solely from the perspective of people who prefer Star Trek over it with no counterbalancing voices, that's their problem. But it would make something of a mockery of Schneider's claims to be above this sort of thing, wouldn't it
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I believe Mike makes that very assertion on the main site. If you include every race seen in ST, ever, you still don't get close to the 12 million inhabited worlds of the GE. And even if the numbers matched, you're still left with the fact that none of these races has ever shown firepower/shielding/speed remotely comparable to the GE.Kruk wrote:No one think that Federation could win that. Or FKR alliance, or Dominion or... most (excluding god like) races.
If you say that Trek (I assume whole Trek as all races even the alliens of the week) wont win then it sound a little stupid.
Plus, the already-mentioned fact that if you start pulling Q/Dowd/Super-weapon-of-the-week into it, SW can do the same, thanks to all the stylistically-dubious, yet nonetheless canon, super-weapons, ancient races, and Jedi powers from the Star Wars Expanded Universe.