Borg or Vong?

[TimothyC]

no, he was able to delay the assimilating action of the nanites. But without that strange radiation that would kill off a human but he has a resistance to, he would have been assimilated.

Thanks. I guess I'll have to rewatch that episode.

[Darth Fanboy]

A matter of fact. The E-D did nothing. She was nearly destroyed by the Borg cutting beam, if it hadn't been for the advantage that having Picard gave them then they wouldn't have won.

Nevertheless the borg was still defeated by the crew of the Enterprise, hence, defeated by one ship.

The closest example of a straight up fight against the Borg was First Contact, but even then they still needed that hidden ace.
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I understand that Descent was not a straight up fight, but nevertheless the skeleton crew led by Dr. Fucking Crusher beat a borg ship, albeit one not of the collective.

[Trooper TK12746]

Vong are much worse. The whole idea of uber-biotech is ridiculous. Especially when their ships are made out of coral. But worst of all, they are not connected to the Force. That was the stupidest thing in the entire EU (besides KJA's stuff).

[Chmee]

Clear edge to the Borg-Vong hybrid .... The Bong

"You will be assimilated ... and get the munchies."

[Hawkwings]

no... you will smoke pot! All who don't smoke pot are heretics and will be killed! Resistance is futile!

[Stofsk]

I didn't think the Vong were so terrible, whereas the First Contatc/Voyager-era Borg fell so far, so hard, so fast.

The Borg get my vote.

[Trooper TK12746]

What did you like about the VOng (or didn't dislike)?

[Noble Ire]

What did you like about the VOng (or didn't dislike)?

For me, at least, I didnt mind the Vong because I thought it added a new, refreshing element to the SW universe. Certainly the zealotous, honor-mad villian is a Scifi cliche, but it hadnt been done too much in the SW universe, I thought it was pulled off fairly well. I found the Vong culture fairly interesting, if often predictable, and the characters it produced often interesting.

As for Bio-tech, if it was done the way that Biotech is often done, they would have probably failed. However, if one actually reads the books after the first few when the protagonists are still adapting to the alien threat, one realizes that Vong bio tech is actually shown to be inferior to metal tech, as it should be. Certainly, dovin bassals are powerful terror weapons, and can pack a punch, but Vong over-reliance on them leads to their weakness, not to mention the fact that they are inferior to regular shields anyways. The Vong must rely on numbers, trickery, and sewwing discord amongst there enemies. The idea that Vong tech is uber is a brainbug spread by haters who are so adverse to the very idea of Biotech that they disregard it in any form, and foolishly so.

As for the force immunity, I thought it created a decent threat for the Jedi to over come without having to resort to throwing yet another group of dark jedi against them. It also created philosphical quandries about the nature of the force, which I happen to like. And as with the Biotech, those who hate the NJO out of principle blow the Vong abilities way out of proportion. Outside of the first few books, no Vong warrior stands a chance against a Jedi in single combat, despite what some would have you believe.

There are things about them I dislike (too much Biotech, they use living clothing for instance) but overall, their faults dont bother me enough to make me cringe when I hear their name, not by a long shot.

[Trooper TK12746]

I just didn't like the biotech. ANd dovin basals had ridiculous abilities. Creating miniture black holes was going way too far.

[Darth Wong]

Creating miniature black holes is not that remarkable for sci-fi. Making them vanish into nothingness, however, is incredibly stupid. A black hole has mass/energy, and when it evapourates, it does so in an enormous burst of gamma radiation.

[Trooper TK12746]

Is there somewhere else where they can control their positioning at will? And it is a ability that even the smallest ship can accomplixh?

It would be okay if it wasn't for the fact that an organism was doing it.

[Kuja]

Is there somewhere else where they can control their positioning at will? And it is a ability that even the smallest ship can accomplixh?

Yes, and yes.

[Sidewinder]

I vote Vong, because they were assholes when they had no right to be. Their society is like Afghanistan under the Taliban, ruled by Muslim fundamentalists-- terrorists-- whose idea of a utopia is based on a small group of men hypocritically destroying everything that defines a man in the hearts and minds of their subordinates, so they can exploit their subordinates.

The Borg may be a communistic society, but at least the creation of their society is believable-- how human can you be when you've been forcibly lobotomized?

Besides, the EU writers should've stuck with the threat posed by the Sith and their hidden empire, instead of trying to "improve" upon Lucas' works by making up an all new threat. The Vong are like the antiaircraft "airburst" shells developed for the Yamato's 18 in guns-- they look impressive at first, but once readers realized how pathetic they were, they caused more harm than good to the EU's popularity.

[Augustus Caesar]

I'm somewhat split between the two. As I've never seen the Vong portrayed on screen or film, it's hard to really hate them. But the Borg are quite irritating, especially with their opening hail-

Bla bla bla bla bla- Resistance is futile.

[Van Owen]

I dislike the Vong more. At least the Borg Queen and 2 of Double D were interesting.