Aid to the Marque from the New Republic

[Invictus ChiKen]

Okay in this scenario the Republic learns of the Marque and sends them an aid package.

This includes:

A Prehab base on a world in the Beta Quadrant, all decked out. Sheild generators, ion cannons and turbolasers.

Five star destroyers, a few crusers, carriers, X, A, Y and B wings. Along with a few modified for cobat freighters.

Battle droids, weapons, medical supplies and communications gear.

A couple of Jedi.

Two platoons of soldiers.

A team of Noghri death commandos.

A group of Wookie warriors.

Landers, and a dedicated ground force.

The Republic will help the Marque settle and build a civilization in the Milkey Way.

***

How does everyone see this working out?

[Kuja]

The Maquis become the reigning power in the galaxy, assuming the Republic doesn't yank the rug and undercut them to take the spoils for themselves.

[Quadlok]

Marque=that thing on the front of the theater.

Maquis=French resistance force and our friends in the demiliterised zone.

Anyway, the Maquis conquer the galaxy.

[Invictus ChiKen]

Marque=that thing on the front of the theater.

Maquis=French resistance force and our friends in the demiliterised zone.

Anyway, the Maquis conquer the galaxy.

Damn google! I did a search on Maque and Star Trek and got sent to a StartTrek.com page that used the Maque spelling... Grrrness

Probably what I deserve for skimming it...

[Nephtys]

Marque=that thing on the front of the theater.

Maquis=French resistance force and our friends in the demiliterised zone.

Anyway, the Maquis conquer the galaxy.

"I, for one, welcome our new francophonic overlords."

[Augustus Caesar]

I believe that the five Star Destroyers and other ships would have much more effect than any ground forces(even Jedi). Just a platoon of troops, even well supported with heavy weapons and equipment, is not sufficient for controlling or pacifying villages, let alone entire planets. Also, with the Star Destroyers, there might not even be a need to fight. The enemies of the Maquis would be far more agreeable to negotiating if such vessels were at their doorstep.

However, I doubt that they could become the "dominant" power in the Galaxy because the forces simply aren't numerous enough. What's more, the forces aren't even theirs, they're from the New Republic. It could lead to a potentially disastrous situation when the New Republic withdraws it's support and leaves the Maquis vulnerable, as they do not have a large military to enforce their will.

[Vicious]

Okay in this scenario the Republic learns of the Marque and sends them an aid package.

This includes:

A Prehab base on a world in the Beta Quadrant, all decked out. Sheild generators, ion cannons and turbolasers.

Five star destroyers, a few crusers, carriers, X, A, Y and B wings. Along with a few modified for cobat freighters.

Battle droids, weapons, medical supplies and communications gear.

A couple of Jedi.

Two platoons of soldiers.

A team of Noghri death commandos.

A group of Wookie warriors.

Landers, and a dedicated ground force.

The Republic will help the Marque settle and build a civilization in the Milkey Way.

***

How does everyone see this working out?

Which Star Destroyers are we talking about? The New Republic SDs (Rejuvenator being the biggest and still 2/3s the size of an ISD) or true Imperator-class? If Imperator, do they came fully equipped with all their fighters, troops and ground equipment? Each ISD carries a fully functional garrison base and ground force. They also carry a full wing of TIEs, plus some support craft.

If they don't get any of the ground forces, than the Maquis will dominate whatever space battles the partake in, but they won't be able to conquer anything. They could fortify the hell out of their homeworld and be virtually impregnable (Klingon troops charging blithely at a massive Garrison Base brings warm feelings to my heart) but they wouldn't be able to project long-term power anywhere else.

[Steven Snyder]

If they don't get any of the ground forces, than the Maquis will dominate whatever space battles the partake in, but they won't be able to conquer anything.

Oh yes they could.
Four Star Destroyers (one left at home) could go from system to system to "encourage" them to join their new Empire. A system that joins becomes part of this new Empire is promised new technology and full Imperial membership. Those that refuse or hesistate are immediately subject to BDZ, rinse and repeat.

It won't be long before survival instincts kick in and people want to enjoy the benefits of being an Imperial Citizen, such as being alive.

[Augustus Caesar]

Oh yes they could.
Four Star Destroyers (one left at home) could go from system to system to "encourage" them to join their new Empire. A system that joins becomes part of this new Empire is promised new technology and full Imperial membership. Those that refuse or hesistate are immediately subject to BDZ, rinse and repeat.

It won't be long before survival instincts kick in and people want to enjoy the benefits of being an Imperial Citizen, such as being alive.

You appear to forget that these Star Destroyers are from the New Republic. I highly doubt they would copy Imperial tactics of intimidation to coerce an alien species to follow their demands. Also, as another person clarified, it depends what kind of Star Destroyers these are. If they are true Imperial Star Destroyers, their capabilities are much greater.

Finally, I doubt the Maquis would want to be a pawn in Empire building.

[Noble Ire]

Neither the Maquis, nor the Republic crews of the Destroyers have the stomach for Imperial style tactics (the Maquis might want to BDZ a few Cardassian worlds, but I doubt the Republican ships would go for it.) In sort, they become a major hassle for the Feds/Cardies, but as soon as they lose a Destroyer after a few major engaments, the Republic will likely pull out, sooner if the Maquis insist on attacking civilian targets.

[Lord Pounder]

You appear to forget that these Star Destroyers are from the New Republic. I highly doubt they would copy Imperial tactics of intimidation to coerce an alien species to follow their demands. Also, as another person clarified, it depends what kind of Star Destroyers these are. If they are true Imperial Star Destroyers, their capabilities are much greater.

Finally, I doubt the Maquis would want to be a pawn in Empire building.

Bolded for emphisis. What does it matter what class of Star Destroyer it is, even one Republic Class Destroyer, much less a Rejuvinator with the latest shielding and turbolasers, can tear the Alpha Quadrant a new asshole.

Imagine what a Rejuvinator with anti-vong stutter fire can do to a Cardassian Fleet, remember this are the same Cardassians who shit themselves over a mere lone Defiant Class ship in Maquis hands.

[Vicious]

If they don't get any of the ground forces, than the Maquis will dominate whatever space battles the partake in, but they won't be able to conquer anything.

Oh yes they could.
Four Star Destroyers (one left at home) could go from system to system to "encourage" them to join their new Empire. A system that joins becomes part of this new Empire is promised new technology and full Imperial membership. Those that refuse or hesistate are immediately subject to BDZ, rinse and repeat.

It won't be long before survival instincts kick in and people want to enjoy the benefits of being an Imperial Citizen, such as being alive.

The problem is, without ground forces, they can't defend all those worlds. They can destroy vessels in orbit attempting to attack the planets, but if a world gets invaded before they can respond, their only recourse would be to bombard the planet, or invade with their own forces. I'm assuming the Maquis are wanting to hold their conquests. If so, bombardment is out and they must resort to counter-invading with their own troops. The Maquis are not numerous enough to hold a massive Empire. They can take the territory, they simply lack the ability to hold it. If their objective is wanton destruction, a Star Destroyer is more than suitable to the task. But to hold territory, you need men on the ground. You need weapons, vehicles and installations. Lacking these, they can only hold as many worlds as they can directly defend, and even then, they have to be able to destroy any invading vessels before they can beam troops to the ground or rely on their own personal to repel an invasion.

[Augustus Caesar]

I am not definite on the specifics, but an Imperial Star Destroyer has a pre-fabricated base and a full division of Stormtroopers with all their heavy equipment. Five of these vessels could pacify the more lightly populated worlds easily and have a unit of Stormtroopers keep them that way. However, as stated before, these are New Republic Star Destroyers so this is nullified.

This brings up a new question, why would the New Republic be interested in helping the Maquis? What interest would they have in helping a small resistance group? Also, how would this force of five Star Destroyers traverse through a vast amount of Federation space without being detected or questioned?

[Coalition]

If the Maquis are smart, they wil unify their worlds first, and carve out a high-tech empire right on the Cardassian's border. This gives them a small empire that the Star Destroyers can adequately protect (hypering to a world under attack), and gives them breathing room.

From there, they build up their infrastructure, including shelters, medical centers, water/sewage systems, power, basic industry, defenses, aso. The Jedi might be put to work identifying potential disasters, or operating as a diplomat. The troops (Wookies, Noghri, regulars) would be put to work developing training routines for new recruits

Eventually each planet has its own shield generators, sensors, and ground and orbital weapons. A lot of it will be droid operated due to the lack of population, but given the technology assistance, they may be able to get Bajoran refugees to make up most of that. They might even be able to help out Bajor in its reconstruction efforts, in exchange for a treaty (Bajoran troops in exchange for advanced medical supplies, defenses, etc.).

The key for the Maquis would be to use the advanced technology to set up their own infrastructure, making them independant of the Republic. This benefits them as they have the capability to defend themselves very well, and the Republic gets a base to operate from (instead of relying on stored materials/transports).

For income (from other powers), they would offer the following:

1) high-speed transport
2) high-speed secure communications
3) sensor assistance (100ly radius scanners, feeding data to local powers)
4) proper engineering assistance (so Federation ships aren't flying death traps)
5) Construction contracts (build ships for other powers, at higher speeds)

It will take them a few years, but the Maquis will form a very tough little empire.

[harbringer]

The key is that the Marquis get battle droids troops wont be a problem especially if they get a production line going. The Marquis will simply conquer everything they want to. The question is when and where will they want to stop?.

[Invictus ChiKen]

To clearify these are Imperator classes with all the trimmings.

To also help the Beta quadrant base will have training academies for soldiers, pilots and yes even Jedi (Vulcan jedi anyone? How about Klingon jedi?)

[NecronLord]

I will note that NR SDs are superior warships to Imperators. They're just not as much 'jack of all trades' opressor ships.

[Lord Pounder]

In this senario the only possible conclusion I see is that the Maquis clear out the DMZ and take their worlds back, Bajor possibly join them just to take a pop at the Cardies, they have to be careful not to be seen by the Republic as instigators of war but they do want one, Cardassia Prime sufferes an unfortunate accident. The Federation will step in and attempt to reign in their wayward brothers and promptly get told to fuck off by whoever is in charge of the Maquis at this time, (Didn't Ensign Ro become their leader?) and a cold war starts up between the Federation and Maquis, with the Federations finest bending over backwards to catch up with the Maquis new technology lest there be an imbalance of power.

[Augustus Caesar]

I will note that NR SDs are superior warships to Imperators. They're just not as much 'jack of all trades' opressor ships.

I am not familiar with the New Republic Star Destroyers. Could you clarify how they are superior to ISD's? Speed, Firepower, Armor?

[Steven Snyder]

The problem is, without ground forces, they can't defend all those worlds.

Sadly it seems that the New Republic and Maquis are in charge and they aren't quite as motivated as the Imperials.

But if they were Imperials...

They can destroy vessels in orbit attempting to attack the planets, but if a world gets invaded before they can respond, their only recourse would be to bombard the planet,

Which would be a very a very Grand Moff Tarkin thing to do. BDZ any world that "allows itself to come under the influence of a foreign power" Federation/Klingon/Romulan etc and teach those traitors a lesson.

The Federation won't have the stomach to keep invading worlds if it realizes that by doing so it will result in the complete annihilation of the entire planet's population, with them being helpless to stop it.

As far as the other powers are concerned, I am sure after the first instance the local population of most worlds will be well motivated to drive off any ST invaders from their world after an example is made of those who do not.

But being that this Star Destroyers are from the New Republic, I doubt they would have the audacity to follow such a course of action.

[Vicious]

To clearify these are Imperator classes with all the trimmings.

If these are fully stocked Imperators, then I humbly submit myself to the new Maquis Empire. They've got the ground forces to take and hold territory.

To also help the Beta quadrant base will have training academies for soldiers, pilots and yes even Jedi (Vulcan jedi anyone? How about Klingon jedi?)

Is the Force native to the Milky Way? I'd always gone with the theory that whatever it is that creates the Force, be it midichlorians or some mutation or other effect, was native to the Star Wars galaxy. It's a genetic trait in some respects, so if these Jedi had children there would be a good chance they'd be Force sensitive, but could any native species develop Force sensitivity?

[Invictus ChiKen]

Is the Force native to the Milky Way? I'd always gone with the theory that whatever it is that creates the Force, be it midichlorians or some mutation or other effect, was native to the Star Wars galaxy. It's a genetic trait in some respects, so if these Jedi had children there would be a good chance they'd be Force sensitive, but could any native species develop Force sensitivity?

I'm going with the assumption the Force is native to all galaxies and that the only reason we dont have more Jedi types is because any cult that followed the path that could have unlocked potiental was either destroyed, or supressed.

Sorta like how the Gnostics where destoryed by the early Christian Church and how the Neo-Platonic academy in Alaxandria Egypt was destroyed by said church.

With the Klingons it's warfare that destroyed them. With the Vulcans there 'logic', the Freingy it was greed. Cardasians and Romulans there facist policies. What of there art survives is due to dogma and superstition very primitive especally with there refuseing to test it scientifically. This inspite of Q, Apollo, the Wormhole beings ect.

[Vicious]

Is the Force native to the Milky Way? I'd always gone with the theory that whatever it is that creates the Force, be it midichlorians or some mutation or other effect, was native to the Star Wars galaxy. It's a genetic trait in some respects, so if these Jedi had children there would be a good chance they'd be Force sensitive, but could any native species develop Force sensitivity?

I'm going with the assumption the Force is native to all galaxies and that the only reason we dont have more Jedi types is because any cult that followed the path that could have unlocked potiental was either destroyed, or supressed.

Sorta like how the Gnostics where destoryed by the early Christian Church and how the Neo-Platonic academy in Alaxandria Egypt was destroyed by said church.

With the Klingons it's warfare that destroyed them. With the Vulcans there 'logic', the Freingy it was greed. Cardasians and Romulans there facist policies. What of there art survives is due to dogma and superstition very primitive especally with there refuseing to test it scientifically. This inspite of Q, Apollo, the Wormhole beings ect.

The problem with this is that unless they know explicitly how to detect Force sensitivity and actively supress it, we should see some kind of latent ability in a small segment of the population. The Q perform feats that are far beyond any Force users I've ever read about or seen, as do most of the other "superbeings". Either they have incredible technolgy, i.e. the T'Kon, or their powers supersede those of the Jedi or Sith, i.e. Q. Remember, Anakin's abilites manifested themselves in limited ways before he was even aware of them, and there are canon accounts of toddlers who demonstrated Force powers.

[Invictus ChiKen]

The problem with this is that unless they know explicitly how to detect Force sensitivity and actively supress it, we should see some kind of latent ability in a small segment of the population. The Q perform feats that are far beyond any Force users I've ever read about or seen, as do most of the other "superbeings". Either they have incredible technolgy, i.e. the T'Kon, or their powers supersede those of the Jedi or Sith, i.e. Q. Remember, Anakin's abilites manifested themselves in limited ways before he was even aware of them, and there are canon accounts of toddlers who demonstrated Force powers.

How about Vulcan mind melds, betazoid telepathy? I recall one race seemed to always know where in the galaxy there where at all times. also rember Anakin was just considered VERY skilled. Chances are these force senstivies would just be considered that skilled and lucky ect.

[Noble Ire]

The problem with this is that unless they know explicitly how to detect Force sensitivity and actively supress it, we should see some kind of latent ability in a small segment of the population. The Q perform feats that are far beyond any Force users I've ever read about or seen, as do most of the other "superbeings". Either they have incredible technolgy, i.e. the T'Kon, or their powers supersede those of the Jedi or Sith, i.e. Q. Remember, Anakin's abilites manifested themselves in limited ways before he was even aware of them, and there are canon accounts of toddlers who demonstrated Force powers.

How about Vulcan mind melds, betazoid telepathy? I recall one race seemed to always know where in the galaxy there where at all times. also rember Anakin was just considered VERY skilled. Chances are these force senstivies would just be considered that skilled and lucky ect.

Not necissarily. Actual telepathy is very different from force usage, and there are several species in the SW universe who can employ telepathy and even limited telekinesis without being force sensitive.