Delta Flyer vs. Tie Fighter Squadron

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2002-11-22 11:22pm

Let's say Tom Paris, Harry Kim, Belonna, and some unknown ensign take the Delta Flyer for a spin.

Somehow, they end up in Imperial territory(due to Q(Q's son, the one that becam friends with Icheb) when he wanted to see a battle.)

THe Imps send a squad of good old Tie Fighters at the Delta Flyer and are ordered to fire because they are trespassing.

Delta Flyer shoots back.

WHo wins?

How many ties are in a squadron anyway?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-22 11:25pm

Without the Ties having missiles or torpedoes this becomes quite interesting. The Delta Flyer has 8 phaser arrays and has full coverage at every angle.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-11-22 11:27pm

I think it's 12 TIE fighters to a squadron. Anyway, a single TIE would be more then a match for the Delta Flyer.

and Poke

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-22 11:30pm

paladin wrote:I think it's 12 TIE fighters to a squadron. Anyway, a single TIE would be more then a match for the Delta Flyer.

and Poke

A single Tie would be slaughted by the DF.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2002-11-23 12:05am

For myself, I have chosen he Delta Flyer, simply because Tie Fighters have no shields, and the Delta Flyer does.

But so far I am the only one who believes that the Delta Flyer will do well. Pity...

Ok, how many Ties would it takeout before it was made into a debri field?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-23 12:07am

*shrug*

Well it's 12 against one ...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-23 12:08am

Couple salvos from any TIE and the Flyer is quite dead. The TIE's take no losses and their jammers fry the Flyers systems.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2002-11-23 12:20am

Sea Skimmer, you seem to have a deep prejudice either for the TIEs or against the Delta Flyer, I doubt just one salve from the 12 fighters would make it explode, ater all, TIEs aren't THAT strong.

Or maybe I am completely wrong about my favorite ship, and i just don't want to face it being blasted to atoms.

btw, what is this poke thngy? it doesn't make any sense.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-23 12:22am

It's just noob hazing.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-23 12:35am

FaxModem1 wrote:Sea Skimmer, you seem to have a deep prejudice either for the TIEs or against the Delta Flyer, I doubt just one salve from the 12 fighters would make it explode, ater all, TIEs aren't THAT strong.

Or maybe I am completely wrong about my favorite ship, and i just don't want to face it being blasted to atoms.

btw, what is this poke thngy? it doesn't make any sense.

The poking is a crappy tradition begun at SB.com. Moderators have no position on this particular matter.

I don't think that a salvo from TIE fighters could destroy the Delta Flier, but a twelve to one advantage is simply far too great for the Delta Flier to overcome. If the TIE's had missiles, it would be no contest, but as it is I think it might be reasonable to assume that the Delta Flier has a slim chance of doing considerable harm to the TIE fighters, though its ability to track and target multiple fast-moving and maneuvering adversaries is highly suspect.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2002-11-23 12:47am

Their Tie Fighters,not advanced Tie fighters, the really crappy ones that kept on being blown up in the movies.

Not Defenders, not bombers, NOT advanced, just Tie Fighters.

Well, I guess it is kind of unfair, one fighter vs. TWELVE.

Let's say three, can they even face just three fighters?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-23 12:56am

FaxModem1 wrote:Their Tie Fighters,not advanced Tie fighters, the really crappy ones that kept on being blown up in the movies.

Not Defenders, not bombers, NOT advanced, just Tie Fighters.

Well, I guess it is kind of unfair, one fighter vs. TWELVE.

Let's say three, can they even face just three fighters?

We know you were talking about the "really crappy ones" from the movie, but we're saying that even the most ordinarily crumby SW technology is good enough to take on some of the best ST technology, given the massive numbers advantage your original scenario gave them.

Possibly. One of the things you must remember in this case, is the disimilarity of class. The Delta Flier would be, in SW, a gunship, and probably a medium one. It SHOULD be able to destroy a large number of fighters. Further, the Delta Flier appears to have withstood weapons fire that posed a threat to Voyager in the past, though its shields are considerably weaker than those of its mothership. Given that, I would give it a good chance of destroying three TIE fighters. I think that its largest limitation is clearly its ability to engage and track and target multiple fighters, but I think its shields would give it relatively even odds against the TIE's, if the TIE's were piloted reasonably well.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2002-11-23 01:04am

YAY, finally, a positive note for my side.

I know, I seem to be a little one-sided on this, but its my favorite ship and I guess I'm obsessed with it, like how some people are obsessed with the -Wing or the Millenium Falcon or the Defiant.

Or the Star Destroyer(anyone notice this site's name?)

(sounds of door being banged down)Uh oh, their coming to get e for that last remark. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-23 01:09am

FaxModem1 wrote:YAY, finally, a positive note for my side.

I know, I seem to be a little one-sided on this, but its my favorite ship and I guess I'm obsessed with it, like how some people are obsessed with the -Wing or the Millenium Falcon or the Defiant.

Or the Star Destroyer(anyone notice this site's name?)

(sounds of door being banged down)Uh oh, their coming to get e for that last remark. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Just out of curiosity, what are you referring to with that statement about ISD's? I don't think that many people deliberately try to increase its combat abilities very much (though that is undoubtedly in part because they do not have to). I also continue to find it interesting that people deliberately try to increase the firepowers of their favorite ships just because they are their favorites. Some of my favorite ship designs are the X-Wing, the Vorlon cruiser, the starfury, and the Shadow Battle Crab. I know damn well that none of these ships could engage most SW frigates with even a chance of victory; I know that their designs are not successful from an engineering standpoint, but it makes no difference to me. I like the designs, but do not have to believe in their infinite ability to do things that have never been seen in order to like their aesthetics.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-23 01:11am

BTW, you did get support immediately from Alyeska, even if it was only a sort of passing remark.

[editor's note: I know this can be construed as a double post, but when you're already a Jedi Council Member three times over, AND a moderator, you kind of stop caring about the post-count]

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-23 01:22am

grumble ...

And have your own title.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2002-11-23 01:30am

I was just showing how my love for my favorite ship was interfering with my judgement.

To Alyeska: Sorry if I forgot aout your support, just that it seemed that everyone said the ship was chopped liver.

MoO:Just how did you rise in rank like this?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-23 01:36am

FaxModem1 wrote:I was just showing how my love for my favorite ship was interfering with my judgement.

To Alyeska: Sorry if I forgot aout your support, just that it seemed that everyone said the ship was chopped liver.

MoO:Just how did you rise in rank like this?

What do you mean? How did I rise to be moderator? Or how did my post count get to be so big?

My post count has always been huge, for the board. I've usually ranked slightly behind Mr. Bean, and I understand that I have been recently passed by Verilon, but other than those two, I have had more posts than almost anyone else for a long time. I've been here almost since the start of the board, and I don't do a lot of work when I'm "working," so I have lots of free time. Then, about a month ago, David asked me if I wanted to be a moderator, and I agreed. The nomination was confirmed by the board, and DW made me a mod. Since then I've been pretty busy, and I haven't been posting nearly as much (I have no real incentive to join in the post-boosting threads, since I have more than enough posts for anything, already), and so my posts/day has been going way down, but I've had a lot of fun on the board, and I don't plan to leave it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-23 02:42am

Ossus, IG-88 is also ahead of you but those three are it.

As for the fighters effectiveness, I seriously doubt the Flyer could take a dozen 1 kilotonish shots in to space of under two seconds on one small area of shielding. Something going to get through and that will be it for the Flyer. The attacker might need another pass to destroy it but that would be easily.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-11-23 02:54am

And these weak TIE fighters were the one that decimated a squadron of X-wings and a Squadron of Y wing during the battle of Yavin turbolasers only got 2 or 3 the rest gunned down were by TIE in .In fact only Vaders squadrons was used during the fight

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-23 04:20am

Although the DF will do some damage, the TIEs will eventually carry the day.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-23 04:23am

There's a hell lot more of them and TIE sims are prolly conditioned to simulate death upon being hit, so anyone who makes it through the TIE training course must be a hellacious pilot.

Not to mention that TIEs are faster than almost anything except an A-Wing.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-11-23 12:00pm

TIEs are too maneuverable for the Delta Flyer. It doesn't stand a chance, especially against twelve. Against one or two, it'll be a stalemate, but against twelve it's dead.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2002-11-23 01:39pm

simple math. against a squadron of 12 ties the delta flyer would lose. but it would no doubt take down at least a third of the unshielded ties.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-23 02:56pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:TIEs are too maneuverable for the Delta Flyer. It doesn't stand a chance, especially against twelve. Against one or two, it'll be a stalemate, but against twelve it's dead.

Thats the wonderful thing about having 8 phaser arrays with complete coverage from every angle of attack.

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