Another dumbshit: "Ed"

[Darth Wong]

I wonder if he's related to the horse.

Name: Ed
E-Mail: Tennispunk101@aol.com
Subject: Get the facts straight

First of all, there is no way Slave one can create that much power using simple fission.
To generate that power you need fusion, the power of stars,
and the SD might have more beam power output, but it doesnt mean its more powerfull.
It takes a lot of energy to create a laser, and only a small portion of that is actual distructive power.
The shields are another matter. They may be able to dissapate that much energy,
but they do not stop kinetic weapons. Even star wars torpedos go straight through,
a photon torpedo wouldnt even notice the shields. A fighter can fly through the shields with no problem!
 Further more officially, deflectors are immune to lasers, so only on the TURBO lasers
would some energy actually get through to the shields (about.03%),
and that would be the plasma used to "Turbo" charge the laser only the ships
that don't travel faster than warp 5 would recive the full force.
 Galaxy class Reactor (Warpcore) can generate 3 billion GIGA-joules of power!
This was not a mistake. Slave 1's seismic charges WOULD NOT WORK IN SPACE!
First of all you NEED FREAKING AIR for a concussion missle to work. As all of us
with half a brain know, space HAS NO AIR.
Even a basic Galaxy class phasers have a total destructive power of 50,000 TERA-WATTS.
 Imperial weapons are a fraction of this, because Imperial systems are so inefficiant with power.
most of it goes to waste. Hard to belive a civilization so old, hasnt advanced beyond simple fission reactors.
Plus, Paramount enlisted the help of numerous scientists who have Phd's in physics and have
actually worked for years in physics. Star Wars had gotten no such technical help or insight.
Get your facts straight.


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Honestly, I don't have the time or patience to waste on such infantile stupidity. If any of you feel like trying to school this idiot, be my guest.

[Noble Ire]

Slave 1's seismic charges WOULD NOT WORK IN SPACE!
First of all you NEED FREAKING AIR for a concussion missle to work. As all of us
with half a brain know, space HAS NO AIR.

Did someone say half a brain?

[Steven Snyder]

Just...Wow...

[Civil War Man]

Let's see...

1) No calculations
2) "No particle shielding" whore
3) "No lasers" whore
4) "3 billion GIGA-joules" and "50,000 TERA-WATTS" with not only no calculations, but no cited sources whatsoever.
5) Appeal to Authority (0MG t3h tr3k h4s sc1ent1st5, so w4rz=sh17)
6) Selective SOD on top of all of that (0MG s3ism1c ch4rg3s d0nt w0rk 1n 5p4c3, 3v3n th0 th3y d1d 1n t3h m0v1e! w4rz=sh17)

Conclusion: Not worth the effort. This idiot will not be able to see reason.

[The Nomad]

First of all, there is no way Slave one can create that much power using simple fission.

Where is it stated that Slave-1 uses fission ?

To generate that power you need fusion, the power of stars,

... What power ? Annihilation of exotic ultradense matter works fine for SW ships.

and the SD might have more beam power output, but it doesnt mean its more powerfull.

More powerful than what ? Slave-I or a ST ship ? Oh nevermind.

It takes a lot of energy to create a laser, and only a small portion of that is actual distructive power.

Nice to know you have some grasp of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This makes you a significant improvement over Trektard Mk I

Where is the logic in this guy's statements ? By "logic" I mean how they're supposed to relate to each other.

The shields are another matter. They may be able to dissapate that much energy,
but they do not stop kinetic weapons.

My my, I thought the later asteroid impact in TESB ( not the one on the bridge tower, but on the belly of the ISD ) proved they did.

Even star wars torpedos go straight through,

Through the kinetic shields of exhaust ports that have no kinetic shields, or through the shields of vessels under heavy fleet bombardment ?

a photon torpedo wouldnt even notice the shields. A fighter can fly through the shields with no problem!

They do seem to crash against said shields in RotJ, except when said shields have been mowed down by battlefleet broadsides.

 Further more officially, deflectors are immune to lasers, so only on the TURBO lasers
would some energy actually get through to the shields (about.03%),
and that would be the plasma used to "Turbo" charge the laser

Ugh, a "No Lasers" retard ! And this ".03% plasma going through lolz" bullshit comes from DITL, doesn't it ?

only the ships that don't travel faster than warp 5 would recive the full force.

Of your bullshit ?

 Galaxy class Reactor (Warpcore) can generate 3 billion GIGA-joules of power!

Joules are a measure of power ? Great. Trektard Mk II is not that far above MK I, on second thought.

This was not a mistake. Slave 1's seismic charges WOULD NOT WORK IN SPACE!

Proof ?

First of all you NEED FREAKING AIR for a concussion missle to work.

Or penetrating inside the hull of a starship, as they do ( RotJ novelization ). And how is this related to your previous statement.

As all of us
with half a brain know, space HAS NO AIR.

Duh. If you say so.

Even a basic Galaxy class phasers have a total destructive power of 50,000 TERA-WATTS.

Source ? Nevermind. DITL. Repeat :"DITL is not canon".

Imperial weapons are a fraction of this, because Imperial systems are so inefficiant with power.
most of it goes to waste.

Proof ?

Hard to belive a civilization so old, hasnt advanced beyond simple fission reactors.

Hard to believe someone past the age of 5 hasn't developped higher cognitive functions.

Plus, Paramount enlisted the help of numerous scientists who have Phd's in physics and have
actually worked for years in physics. Star Wars had gotten no such technical help or insight.

PhD astrophysicist Curtis Saxton comes to mind.

Get your facts straight.

Grow a fucking brain.

[Dillon]

... My Brain hurts after reading that.

Even to this day, I stil can't belive that there are people who actually think Star Trek technology is feasible.

[Stravo]

Does anyone have a clue where his .3% figure comes for shield leakage from lasers and by that I mean other than his ass.

[Darth Lucifer]

First of all, there is no way Slave one can create that much power using simple fission.

And where does it say that Slave I is powered by fission?

To generate that power you need fusion, the power of stars,

AFAIK, Star wars tech uses neither fission nor fusion; they use different power sources altogether (Hypermatter, etc.)

and the SD might have more beam power output, but it doesnt mean its more powerfull. It takes a lot of energy to create a laser, and only a small portion of that is actual distructive power.

Another Dr. Evil. He obviously has no idea how SW Turbolasers function.

The shields are another matter. They may be able to dissapate that much energy,
but they do not stop kinetic weapons...,<snip more retarded shield BS>

Then why did Lando and the fleet have to pull up and break when they realized the DS II's shield was still up?

Further more officially, deflectors are immune to lasers, so only on the TURBO lasers would some energy actually get through to the shields (about.03%), and that would be the plasma used to "Turbo" charge the laser only the ships that don't travel faster than warp 5 would recive the full force.

More Dr. Evil "LASER" bullshit. Care to produce some calcs on all this? I'm curious as to how you figured out the "TURBO" part of the Turbolaser.

Galaxy class Reactor (Warpcore) can generate 3 billion GIGA-joules of power!

Actually, it's 4 billion. Gigawatts. 3 or 4 what's your point here? An Acclamator troop transport puts out 200 Trillion GW, which dwarfs anything A GCS can muster. (special thanks to DW for the Cliff Notes on the main page)

Slave 1's seismic charges WOULD NOT WORK IN SPACE!
First of all you NEED FREAKING AIR for a concussion missle to work. As all of us with half a brain know, space HAS NO AIR.

Concussion Missles and Seismic charges are two different weapons, just to let you know. As to the vacuum in space issue, the weapon obviously is not a sonic based one; there is another component that you're totally ignoring...like a large blue freaking energy(?) wave that shreds asteroids.

Even a basic Galaxy class phasers have a total destructive power of 50,000 TERA-WATTS.

Evidence? Calcs? Sorry, bud, the GCS doesn't even have anything near that level of firepower.

Imperial weapons are a fraction of this, because Imperial systems are so inefficiant with power. Most of it goes to waste. Hard to belive a civilization so old, hasnt advanced beyond simple fission reactors.

Where do you keep pulling fission reactors from? Out of your ass? Do you have any proof of this or are you just making shit up as you go along?

Plus, Paramount enlisted the help of numerous scientists who have Phd's in physics and have actually worked for years in physics. Star Wars had gotten no such technical help or insight. Get your facts straight.

Sounds like you're the one who needs to get facts straight. Your team of scientific helpers contribute very little to the overall scheme of the series, if anything beyond choice tidbits of jargon. As to SW having no technical help or insight, that is untrue; you've obviously never heard of Dr. Curtis Saxton.

In short, Ed's argument is largely style over substance and making a strawman out of the tech of Star Wars, which makes Trek's weaponry and power look like an Easy Bake oven by comparision.

Fucking Tool.

[FedRebel]

Paramount enlisted the help of numerous scientists who have Phd's in physics and have
actually worked for years in physics. Star Wars had gotten no such technical help or insight.
Get your facts straight.

Aren't Trek's tech advisors from the ART department?

For Wars, I wonder who wrote the past two ICS books...

Dr. Curtis Saxton, theoretical astrophysicist

[Antares]

This one made my day
I love this board !

[Darth Lucifer]

Does anyone have a clue where his .3% figure comes for shield leakage from lasers and by that I mean other than his ass.

Or how about that part about ships going less than Warp 5 receive the full force (of his Bullshit!-LOL Nomad!).

[Perseid]

I have to admit I find this guys level of intelligence worrying, and to add insult to injury he has the same first name as me.
Everything that 'Ed' has said in his email reminds of Ace Ventura 2, "He bends over and he speaks from his rear!"

[The Wookiee]

God I just love no-source idiots. Looks like there's a bit of the "Outrageous Okona" fallacy mixed in there too. And here I thought that breed was long dead.

[Adrian Laguna]

First of all, there is no way Slave one can create that much power using simple fission.
To generate that power you need fusion, the power of stars,

Where did you get the idea that Slave 1 uses fission? Hell, where do you get the idea that it uses, or has to use, (nuclear) fusion for that matter?

and the SD might have more beam power output, but it doesnt mean its more powerfull.
It takes a lot of energy to create a laser, and only a small portion of that is actual distructive power.

From Here "There are whole systems whose gross domestic product is less than the cost of a single Star Destroyer. There are entire nations that, throughout their history, do not expend as much energy as a Star Destroyer does during a hyperspace jump. Powering the 1.6 kilometer-long craft is nothing short of a miniature sun -- a solar ionization reactor bulges from the ventral spine, using its raging fires to fuel the giant warship."
This small portion of the total power output is enough to vapourize (not fragment) 100 meter asteroids with one of the medium guns and still have plenty of energy left over.

The shields are another matter. They may be able to dissapate that much energy,
but they do not stop kinetic weapons. Even star wars torpedos go straight through,
a photon torpedo wouldnt even notice the shields. A fighter can fly through the shields with no problem!

Star Wars torpedoes go right through ray-sheilds. Particle sheilds do exist, or would you care to explain some other reason why the sheilds had to be lowered for the Rebel Transports to escape Echo Base on Endor (ESB), or why Admiral Ackbar's fleet had to turn away when they figured out the Death Star II shields where still up.
Can you explain the following image without particle shields?

Admiral Griff's three destroyers or light cruisers (of at least one mile length) collided with the particle shields at presumably relativistic speeds (during reentry from hyperspace). The three impactors were annihilated, and Executor was unscathed but suffered serious temporary shield loss, requiring it to delay its mission.

Further more officially, deflectors are immune to lasers, so only on the TURBO lasers
would some energy actually get through to the shields (about.03%),
and that would be the plasma used to "Turbo" charge the laser only the ships that don't travel faster than warp 5 would recive the full force.

Aside from the fact that your statements make no sense, they seem to be pulled entirely out of your ass. First off, there is no evidence at all, anywhere that "Turbo-laser" is anything more than just a name, with no indications or clues as to their actual properties. Therefore your arguments fall apart, since SW would batter down ST sheilds. I know this thanks to the laws of thermodynamics, they make it quite clear that the energy of the turbo-lasers has to go somewhere when it hits a shield, and since it is quite clear that ST shields have a limited (and unimpressive) absorpsion/re-radiation capacity they will most definitely be battered down if a sufficient amount of power (energy over time) is applied, regardless of what the source of the power is. Your Warp 5 comment doesn't make any sense, so it just serves to make you look stupid, try again and this time make it clear just what the hell are you trying to say.

Galaxy class Reactor (Warpcore) can generate 3 billion GIGA-joules of power! This was not a mistake.

Power, which is energy over time, is expressed as Watts (Jules per second). The Galaxy class Warpcore generates 3 billion giga-watts of power according to an unnoficial source. A cannon SW source (Incredible Cross-Sections) pegs the power generation of an Acclamator troop-transport at 200 Trillion GW. So a measly SW troop transport can eat a ST ship-of-the-line for breakfast.

Slave 1's seismic charges WOULD NOT WORK IN SPACE!
First of all you NEED FREAKING AIR for a concussion missle to work. As all of us with half a brain know, space HAS NO AIR.

What do you mean they would not work in space? I clearly saw them working in space, very effictively I might add. They are meant to be a ground weapon, so Jango was improvising when he deployed it in the asteroid ring around Geonosis. However, if that blue energy wave happens to hit a ship's hull or sheilds it will cause damage. It should not be hard to hit a vessel as large as a Galaxy-class Starship, so Jango could use the seismic charges against it without needing a dense asteroid field.

Even a basic Galaxy class phasers have a total destructive power of 50,000 TERA-WATTS.

Would you care to show calculations to support your statement? Lord Poe, a memeber of this board who has his own websited did calculate the destructive power of Phasers as well as that of Turbo-lasers. The phasers just didn't masure-up, but don't take my word for it, go here and see for yourself.

Imperial weapons are a fraction of this, because Imperial systems are so inefficiant with power.
most of it goes to waste. Hard to belive a civilization so old, hasnt advanced beyond simple fission reactors.

Apparently you didn't bother the read the rest of site. Try reading this, then come back and say that SW hansn't advanced beyond simple fission reactors. Hell, let me give you a short verision: The destruciton of Alderaan by the Death Star would have been imposible with fission, fussion, and matter/antimatter anihilation (what ST uses). Therefore it uses an even more powerful energy source.

Plus, Paramount enlisted the help of numerous scientists who have Phd's in physics and have
actually worked for years in physics. Star Wars had gotten no such technical help or insight.

Which is relevant how? In case you didn't know, both Star Trek and Star Wars blatantly violate the Laws of Physics over and over again. The technology in both is complete and utter bullshit, however the technological bullshit of Wars is far more superior in every way (especially speed and firepower) than that of Trek. Furthermore Star Wars has been given technical help and insite by real scientists with Ph.Ds such as Curtiss Saxton.

Get your facts straight.

Thanks for the advice, I'll be sure to avoid acting like you.

[Darth Servo]

Ohhhh, let me at this idiot.

[Spacebeard]

Further more officially, deflectors are immune to lasers, so only on the TURBO lasers
would some energy actually get through to the shields (about.03%),
and that would be the plasma used to "Turbo" charge the laser only the ships
that don't travel faster than warp 5 would recive the full force.

This one really baffles me. I know where the "deflectors are immune to lasers" claim comes from, but what about the others? Turbolasers are "turbo" because they are "turbocharged with plasma"? Ships which are limited to warp 5 would take full damage?

Did he just make that shit up, or are there actually Trekkies out there who argue this? The "warp 5 ships aren't immune to lasers" bit sounds suspiciously as though the NX-01 got damaged by a laser during some episode, so the vs. Trekkies decided to change their tune to "Star Trek ships are immune to all lasers unless they are a warp 5 ship".

[Death from the Sea]

Does anyone have a clue where his .3% figure comes for shield leakage from lasers and by that I mean other than his ass.

IIRC the Graham Kennedy fan fiction gives the same percentage or something like that.

[Ford Prefect]

This guy seems so worringly stupid that I don't think that he has any idea what he's going on about. Not only is there no actual evidence supporting him here, he just seems to be ranting. He's a terrible debater with no rational sense. Someone please debate him into the ground.

[Civil War Man]

Does anyone have a clue where his .3% figure comes for shield leakage from lasers and by that I mean other than his ass.

IIRC the Graham Kennedy fan fiction gives the same percentage or something like that.

Gee, a common Trektard argument is the whole "Star Trek has hours upon hours of TV footage to pick from, while Star Wars only has three movies" (not a true argument, but that's not my point), yet this guy is stooping as low as vaguely referring to content of fanfictions as evidence?

[Instant Sunrise]

Considering that fan-fics and most trek novels are on the same level, canon-wise, I don't see why he wouldn't pull fan-fic out of his ass for reference.

Unless some fan's have declared their fic's to be canon, and nobody told me.

[Darth Lucifer]

Considering that fan-fics and most trek novels are on the same level, canon-wise, I don't see why he wouldn't pull fan-fic out of his ass for reference. Unless some fan's have declared their fic's to be canon, and nobody told me.

Well, Graham Kennedy is not only the author of Portal, he is the Webmaster at DITL.org. Probably where "Ed" got all of his info; 50,000 Terra-joules is what DITL lists GCS firepower as. Go figure.

[Darth Lucifer]

Ugh...I meant Terrawatts. Fucking Trektards are rotting my brain now.

[wautd]

Not worth the effort in replying a descent mail. Just ask him to register here for a quick smackdown

(yes, I know I'm pretty naive to think such retard can be convinced by evidence)

[Stuart Mackey]

God I just love no-source idiots. Looks like there's a bit of the "Outrageous Okona" fallacy mixed in there too. And here I thought that breed was long dead.

Next generation {pun intended) + reruns =Outrageous Okona idiots.

[mr friendly guy]

This one really baffles me. I know where the "deflectors are immune to lasers" claim comes from, but what about the others?.

I believe its from the TNG episode "Outrageous Okrona", where Picard mentions something about how the deflectors (not the shields, just the deflectors) are immune to the primitive lasers used by the alien of the week. Rabid Trekkies use a "no limits fallacy" and assume it will be immune to the Deathstar super laser, even though "lasers" in star wars aren't really lasers as we understand the word. They just have laser in the weapons name.