Lightsaber(s) vs Death Star Super Laser

PSW: discuss Star Wars without "versus" arguments.

Moderator: Vympel

User avatar
navy_seal55
Redshirt
Posts: 22
Joined: 2005-04-22 01:43am

Lightsaber(s) vs Death Star Super Laser

Post by navy_seal55 »

Just a fun idea. Could a lightsaber technically stop or deflect the Death Star Super Laser? what about a whole bunch of lightsabers taped together? :D
User avatar
The Jazz Intern
Padawan Learner
Posts: 459
Joined: 2005-03-17 07:15pm
Location: In a box. A very big box.

Post by The Jazz Intern »

Possibly...
Yes, yes they could. The lightsaber blade would have to be really thick. Also, the kick would blow thew deflector away from the death star at an astounding rate.
WWDD What would dogbert do?
User avatar
The Grim Squeaker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10315
Joined: 2005-06-01 01:44am
Location: A different time-space Continuum
Contact:

Re: Lightsaber(s) vs Death Star Super Laser

Post by The Grim Squeaker »

navy_seal55 wrote:Just a fun idea. Could a lightsaber technically stop or deflect the Death Star Super Laser? what about a whole bunch of lightsabers taped together? :D
If you scaled up a lightsaber blade until the width of the blade is greater than the planet then it may be possible.
Photography
Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.
Trogdor
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2553
Joined: 2003-08-08 02:44pm
Location: Strong Badia

Post by Trogdor »

Wouldn't you also need something to "hold" this giant lightsaber so it doesn't just get knocked aside by the beam?
"I want to mow down a bunch of motherfuckers with absurdly large weapons and relative impunity - preferably in and around a skyscraper. Then I want to fight a grim battle against the unlikely duo of the Terminator and Robocop. The last level should involve (but not be limited to) multiple robo-Hitlers and a gorillasaurus rex."--Uraniun235 on his ideal FPS game

"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force."--Darth Vader
User avatar
Kenoshi
Youngling
Posts: 132
Joined: 2005-06-23 07:51am
Location: Beaverton, Oregon
Contact:

Post by Kenoshi »

Trogdor wrote:Wouldn't you also need something to "hold" this giant lightsaber so it doesn't just get knocked aside by the beam?
Jedi Gundam!! As it is Gundams already have giant lightsaber-ish weapons.
I like frogs!
User avatar
Death from the Sea
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3376
Joined: 2002-10-30 05:32pm
Location: TEXAS
Contact:

Re: Lightsaber(s) vs Death Star Super Laser

Post by Death from the Sea »

the .303 bookworm wrote:
navy_seal55 wrote:Just a fun idea. Could a lightsaber technically stop or deflect the Death Star Super Laser? what about a whole bunch of lightsabers taped together? :D
If you scaled up a lightsaber blade until the width of the blade is greater than the planet then it may be possible.
why wider than a planet? the superlaser beam is not that wide, so why not just a bit wider than the beam itself?
"War.... it's faaaaaantastic!" <--- Hot Shots:Part Duex
"Psychos don't explode when sunlight hits them, I don't care how fucking crazy they are!"~ Seth from Dusk Till Dawn
|BotM|Justice League's Lethal Protector
User avatar
Crossroads Inc.
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 9233
Joined: 2005-03-20 06:26pm
Location: Defending Sparkeling Bishonen
Contact:

Post by Crossroads Inc. »

Kenoshi wrote:
Trogdor wrote:Wouldn't you also need something to "hold" this giant lightsaber so it doesn't just get knocked aside by the beam?
Jedi Gundam!! As it is Gundams already have giant lightsaber-ish weapons.
YES! Of course! Fear the Über Mecha Jedi of DOOM!
Praying is another way of doing nothing helpful
"Congratulations, you get a cookie. You almost got a fundamental English word correct." Pick
"Outlaw star has spaceships that punch eachother" Joviwan
Read "Tales From The Crossroads"!
Read "One Wrong Turn"!
User avatar
Kenoshi
Youngling
Posts: 132
Joined: 2005-06-23 07:51am
Location: Beaverton, Oregon
Contact:

Post by Kenoshi »

Crossroads Inc. wrote:
Kenoshi wrote:
Trogdor wrote:Wouldn't you also need something to "hold" this giant lightsaber so it doesn't just get knocked aside by the beam?
Jedi Gundam!! As it is Gundams already have giant lightsaber-ish weapons.
YES! Of course! Fear the Über Mecha Jedi of DOOM!
With requisite pretty/pouty pilots. Somehow it would fit Anakin like a glove.
I like frogs!
User avatar
The Grim Squeaker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10315
Joined: 2005-06-01 01:44am
Location: A different time-space Continuum
Contact:

Re: Lightsaber(s) vs Death Star Super Laser

Post by The Grim Squeaker »

Death from the Sea wrote:
the .303 bookworm wrote:
navy_seal55 wrote:Just a fun idea. Could a lightsaber technically stop or deflect the Death Star Super Laser? what about a whole bunch of lightsabers taped together? :D
If you scaled up a lightsaber blade until the width of the blade is greater than the planet then it may be possible.
why wider than a planet? the superlaser beam is not that wide, so why not just a bit wider than the beam itself?
My mistake.
Isnt a blaster bolt slightly thicker than the blade? or is it just my poor eye-sight, can someone put up a pick for width comparison.

Also what would the recoil be from the hit, based on the kinetic knockback from deflection in the movies?
Photography
Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.
User avatar
Mr Bean
Lord of Irony
Posts: 22459
Joined: 2002-07-04 08:36am

Post by Mr Bean »

If scalled up correctly... Yes... But it would have to be able wishstand the kinetic impact, we know that when fokes with lightsabers start having to deflect crew serviced and above weapons they start getting knocked on their asses when doing it.

Also said blade should have to survive the energy bleed-off of the DS blast hitting it, meaning lots and lots of armored plating and shield generators.

"A cult is a religion with no political power." -Tom Wolfe
Pardon me for sounding like a dick, but I'm playing the tiniest violin in the world right now-Dalton
User avatar
Ford Prefect
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 8254
Joined: 2005-05-16 04:08am
Location: The real number domain

Post by Ford Prefect »

Well, at least we know what Obi Wan was for; deflecting the Death Star's superlaser. That kooky rebellion. I'm suddenly getting images of superlasers bouncing off planets.

On a more useful note, it seems that it could, so long as it was big enough, and the wielder could take the literal heat that I suppose is coming off of it.
What is Project Zohar?

Here's to a certain mostly harmless nutcase.
User avatar
Elheru Aran
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13073
Joined: 2004-03-04 01:15am
Location: Georgia

Post by Elheru Aran »

The trick with this is that the superlaser is an continuous beam weapon. We only ever see lightsabres deflecting blaster bolts.

That said, I don't see why lightsaber technology couldn't be applied in this regard. You would need a very, very big and strong somebody/something to hold the size of blade needed, though...
It's a strange world. Let's keep it that way.
User avatar
Lord Revan
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 12229
Joined: 2004-05-20 02:23pm
Location: Zone:classified

Post by Lord Revan »

Elheru Aran wrote:The trick with this is that the superlaser is an continuous beam weapon. We only ever see lightsabres deflecting blaster bolts.
in the Clone Wars cartoon Mace Windu deflects a continuous beam weapon.
I may be an idiot, but I'm a tolerated idiot
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n
User avatar
Elheru Aran
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13073
Joined: 2004-03-04 01:15am
Location: Georgia

Post by Elheru Aran »

Lord Revan wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:The trick with this is that the superlaser is an continuous beam weapon. We only ever see lightsabres deflecting blaster bolts.
in the Clone Wars cartoon Mace Windu deflects a continuous beam weapon.
Meant in the movies. Haven't seen CW, and was unaware of that example.
It's a strange world. Let's keep it that way.
Admiral Felire
Padawan Learner
Posts: 283
Joined: 2002-07-31 10:25pm
Location: United States

Post by Admiral Felire »

we don't know how much of the deflection is because of the Force and how much is because of the lightsaber blade. If a lot of it is because of the Force then it could probably be done (as with Force Lightning) but if it is just because of the strength of the blade than it would probably be tricky and difficult.
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. It is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we becomes victims of the darkness."

-Justice William O. Douglas
User avatar
Darth Yoshi
Metroid
Posts: 7342
Joined: 2002-07-04 10:00pm
Location: Seattle
Contact:

Post by Darth Yoshi »

Throughout the EU, Jedi deflect blasters because of the way the blade interacts with the blaster bolt. The only the thing Force does is to guide the blade to the right spot.
Image
Fragment of the Lord of Nightmares, release thy heavenly retribution. Blade of cold, black nothingness: become my power, become my body. Together, let us walk the path of destruction and smash even the souls of the Gods! RAGNA BLADE!
Lore Monkey | the Pichu-master™
Secularism—since AD 80
Av: Elika; Prince of Persia
User avatar
YT300000
Sith'ari
Posts: 6528
Joined: 2003-05-20 12:49pm
Location: Calgary, Canada
Contact:

Post by YT300000 »

Wouldn't even the upscaled power cell be instantly drained by having to reflect enough energy to send chunks of a planet flying outwards at half the speed of light? Since the Death Star's reactor was quite huge in and of itself.
Name changes are for people who wear women's clothes. - Zuul

Wow. It took me a good minute to remember I didn't have testicles. -xBlackFlash

Are you sure this isn't like that time Michael Jackson stopped by your house so he could use the bathroom? - Superman
User avatar
The Grim Squeaker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10315
Joined: 2005-06-01 01:44am
Location: A different time-space Continuum
Contact:

Post by The Grim Squeaker »

YT300000 wrote:Wouldn't even the upscaled power cell be instantly drained by having to reflect enough energy to send chunks of a planet flying outwards at half the speed of light? Since the Death Star's reactor was quite huge in and of itself.
Dont you mean overload.
And considering that a normal jedi saber can take ship level blasts without overloading while bleeding onto the user only a fraction of the kinetic impact i'd say... no.
Photography
Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.
Kurgan
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4069
Joined: 2002-08-19 08:13pm

Post by Kurgan »

It would be like trying to stop an atomic blast with a toothpick.


But, what about a really really REALLY big strong toothpick? I don't know, ask a physicist.
User avatar
The Grim Squeaker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10315
Joined: 2005-06-01 01:44am
Location: A different time-space Continuum
Contact:

Post by The Grim Squeaker »

Kurgan wrote:It would be like trying to stop an atomic blast with a toothpick.
But, what about a really really REALLY big strong toothpick? I don't know, ask a physicist.
If a lightsaber scaled up proportionally then it could possibly do it power-wise.
If a saber could deflect a shot larger than it from a powerful ship-mounted cannon (AOTC) then if the saber was on the DS's scale why shouldnt it work?
Photography
Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.
Kurgan
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4069
Joined: 2002-08-19 08:13pm

Post by Kurgan »

the .303 bookworm wrote:
YT300000 wrote:Wouldn't even the upscaled power cell be instantly drained by having to reflect enough energy to send chunks of a planet flying outwards at half the speed of light? Since the Death Star's reactor was quite huge in and of itself.
Dont you mean overload.
And considering that a normal jedi saber can take ship level blasts without overloading while bleeding onto the user only a fraction of the kinetic impact i'd say... no.
Mace Windu blocks the beam weapon of a spider droid type thing (no idea how big it's really supposed to be) in the CW series (which is known for its exaggerations, but still).

Luke blocks the shots from an Imperial Speeder Biker in ROTJ.

When else (outside of video games) have we seen lightsabers deflect "ship level blasts" without overloading?

Even a tiny fraction of the Death Star kinetic blast would turn the Jedi into particles, I would think.
User avatar
Seeing Red
Redshirt
Posts: 7
Joined: 2005-06-07 09:53pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Post by Seeing Red »

You'd have to make the lightsaber at least as thick as the Death Star laser beam, in itself not an easy task.

Also, as we've seen, it takes a significant amount of energy from the bearer to deflect even the Sith Lightning emitted by Sidious; i dont think any Jedi would have the energy to block the DS beam
User avatar
Durandal
Bile-Driven Hate Machine
Posts: 17927
Joined: 2002-07-03 06:26pm
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Contact:

Post by Durandal »

If lightsaber technology could be scaled beyond the personal level to stop artillery bolts, someone would have made shields based around it.
Damien Sorresso

"Ever see what them computa bitchez do to numbas? It ain't natural. Numbas ain't supposed to be code, they supposed to quantify shit."
- The Onion
User avatar
The Grim Squeaker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10315
Joined: 2005-06-01 01:44am
Location: A different time-space Continuum
Contact:

Post by The Grim Squeaker »

Durandal wrote:If lightsaber technology could be scaled beyond the personal level to stop artillery bolts, someone would have made shields based around it.
You would need a wielder large enough to hold and manipulate it as well, not a common task considering the lack of Eva's in SW :wink:
Photography
Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.
User avatar
Lord Revan
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 12229
Joined: 2004-05-20 02:23pm
Location: Zone:classified

Post by Lord Revan »

Durandal wrote:If lightsaber technology could be scaled beyond the personal level to stop artillery bolts, someone would have made shields based around it.
as they have, The protecting the Rimsoo in the MedStar dualogy was based in similar technology as a Lightsaber (it was so close in fact, that the shield could affect lightsabers)
I may be an idiot, but I'm a tolerated idiot
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n
Post Reply