Sothis vs DMJ

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-07-05 05:14pm

Debate thread

I invite you, my peers, to pass judgement on it.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-07-05 05:37pm

You fucking suck.

Seriously, DMJ, moron though he is, has a better grasp of the tech then you do. "TLs are explosive, not thermal"? Are you high or just stupid?

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-07-05 05:38pm

Ender wrote:You fucking suck.

Seriously, DMJ, moron though he is, has a better grasp of the tech then you do. "TLs are explosive, not thermal"? Are you high or just stupid?

What??? What are you blabbering about?

Rather than a random insult that's of no constructive value whatsoever, why don't you try an explanation? You know, like what sensible people do.

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-07-05 05:40pm

Ender wrote:You fucking suck.

Seriously, DMJ, moron though he is, has a better grasp of the tech then you do. "TLs are explosive, not thermal"? Are you high or just stupid?

Ah, I see what you have done. You have taken ONE line from my opening post and blown it out of all proportion. Granted, I could have phrased it better, but you didn;t need to blow up so childishly.

What I meant was, TLs have a way of making their targets explode (IE, like when TL shots hit enemy ships, they tend to go BOOM.)

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-07-05 05:42pm

More to the point, it appears you've read only one tiny bit of what I said. Why don't you try reading all of it and then come back to me with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-07-05 05:47pm

No, I took the si8ngle most idiotic of the entire retarded bunch. My constructive criticism- Learn what the fuck you are talking about.

TLs do travel at C - the Alderaan scene confirms that, the difference you bring up there is resolved by pointing out a beam need not be of qual power the entire time and that a higherpower bit comes later in synch with the tracer.

TLs being explosive - they make the targets explode by imparting enough energy to superheat and cause vaporization, exactly like a laser would.

Tls flak burst in ANH - it's a shield interaction, visually identical to every single shield strike in the series.

The only thing you got right is that they are not true lasers. But in terms of who had the correct position, you lost hardcore.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-07-05 05:53pm

Sothis wrote: 1. The visible component if a TL strikes the target at the same time that damage is seen to occur to the target. Therefore any invisible mechanism is clearly also travelling slower than light and is therefore also not a laser in the real sense.

Bzzt. Wrong. Indeed, the very fact that damage DOES occur before the visible portion of the bolt hits the target is one of the points most frequently used to argue that, yes, TLS ARE c-speed weapons.
As for 'TLs make thinks explode therefore they're explosive weapons', tell me you're kidding.
DMJ was a moron what with his frequency garbage but you didn't look all that hot there, either.

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-07-05 05:55pm

Ender wrote:No, I took the si8ngle most idiotic of the entire retarded bunch. My constructive criticism- Learn what the fuck you are talking about.

TLs do travel at C - the Alderaan scene confirms that, the difference you bring up there is resolved by pointing out a beam need not be of qual power the entire time and that a higherpower bit comes later in synch with the tracer.

TLs being explosive - they make the targets explode by imparting enough energy to superheat and cause vaporization, exactly like a laser would.

Tls flak burst in ANH - it's a shield interaction, visually identical to every single shield strike in the series.

The only thing you got right is that they are not true lasers. But in terms of who had the correct position, you lost hardcore.

Fine. I'm a moron. Happy now?

I don't devote a lot of time to this subject, I am busy with a job, with a girlfriend, with friends, and possibly the most annoying brother humanity has ever faced. I based my conclusions off what I could see with the naked eye, and what I have gleaned from these boards. I don't have scientific degrees- this is FUN for me, so I cannot understand why on earth you felt the need to come down like a ton of bricks.

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-07-05 05:58pm

Batman wrote:
Sothis wrote: 1. The visible component if a TL strikes the target at the same time that damage is seen to occur to the target. Therefore any invisible mechanism is clearly also travelling slower than light and is therefore also not a laser in the real sense.
Bzzt. Wrong. Indeed, the very fact that damage DOES occur before the visible portion of the bolt hits the target is one of the points most frequently used to argue that, yes, TLS ARE c-speed weapons.
As for 'TLs make thinks explode therefore they're explosive weapons', tell me you're kidding.
DMJ was a moron what with his frequency garbage but you didn't look all that hot there, either.

I went entirely with what I could see- I see a TL hit a target, the target explodes. To the naked eye (or at least mine), a TL would be fired, and damaged was not instantanious. Which to me, implied slower than C. Forgive me for not conducting a thorough scientific analysis, but I had more important things to do with my time.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-07-05 05:59pm

Sothis wrote:Fine. I'm a moron. Happy now?

I don't devote a lot of time to this subject, I am busy with a job, with a girlfriend, with friends, and possibly the most annoying brother humanity has ever faced.

Lovely. I have my primary job of operating a nuclear reactor, 4 collateral duties, underways, duty days, a fuckbuddy, friends, and 12 nubblets to train.

If you want to play the "I have a real life" dick wagging contest most any of us here will smoke you kid.

I based my conclusions off what I could see with the naked eye, and what I have gleaned from these boards.

And the fact that this has been covered to the point of getting a moratorium and links to past debates shows that no, you didn't gleam anything from these boads.

I don't have scientific degrees- this is FUN for me, so I cannot understand why on earth you felt the need to come down like a ton of bricks.

Because....

YOU FUCKING ASKED!!!!!!!!!

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2005-07-05 05:59pm

I cannot believe how badly you did against DMJ especially since this debate is a "Same shit, different thread" debate.

The only point you could have scored was when DMJ said that "TL's are light based as a result they would have a frequency as a result Borg could adapt".
This is proved wrong by the fact that if the Borg adapted to light frequencies then they would essentially all appear to be black since no light would get past the shields. Yet you missed the chance to jump on this point.

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-07-05 06:01pm

Ender wrote:
Sothis wrote:Fine. I'm a moron. Happy now?

I don't devote a lot of time to this subject, I am busy with a job, with a girlfriend, with friends, and possibly the most annoying brother humanity has ever faced.
Lovely. I have my primary job of operating a nuclear reactor, 4 collateral duties, underways, duty days, a fuckbuddy, friends, and 12 nubblets to train.

If you want to play the "I have a real life" dick wagging contest most any of us here will smoke you kid.

I based my conclusions off what I could see with the naked eye, and what I have gleaned from these boards.
And the fact that this has been covered to the point of getting a moratorium and links to past debates shows that no, you didn't gleam anything from these boads.

I don't have scientific degrees- this is FUN for me, so I cannot understand why on earth you felt the need to come down like a ton of bricks.
Because....

YOU FUCKING ASKED!!!!!!!!!

Where on earth did I say I wanted a 'real life' comparison contest? Souinds to me that you're the one bragging about your job and life, not me- All I was pointing out is that I do not devote as much time to this debate as others- it is a low priority.

Do you understand that?

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-07-05 06:02pm

Ender wrote:
Sothis wrote:Fine. I'm a moron. Happy now?

I don't devote a lot of time to this subject, I am busy with a job, with a girlfriend, with friends, and possibly the most annoying brother humanity has ever faced.
Lovely. I have my primary job of operating a nuclear reactor, 4 collateral duties, underways, duty days, a fuckbuddy, friends, and 12 nubblets to train.

If you want to play the "I have a real life" dick wagging contest most any of us here will smoke you kid.

I based my conclusions off what I could see with the naked eye, and what I have gleaned from these boards.
And the fact that this has been covered to the point of getting a moratorium and links to past debates shows that no, you didn't gleam anything from these boads.

I don't have scientific degrees- this is FUN for me, so I cannot understand why on earth you felt the need to come down like a ton of bricks.
Because....

YOU FUCKING ASKED!!!!!!!!!

And what is a nubblet?

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-07-05 06:03pm

Sothis wrote: I went entirely with what I could see- I see a TL hit a target, the target explodes. To the naked eye (or at least mine), a TL would be fired, and damaged was not instantanious. Which to me, implied slower than C.

Than you haven't thought it through.

Forgive me for not conducting a thorough scientific analysis, but I had more important things to do with my time.

Then maybe this isn't the right place for you.

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2005-07-05 06:47pm

Sothis wrote:
Ender wrote:
I don't have scientific degrees- this is FUN for me, so I cannot understand why on earth you felt the need to come down like a ton of bricks.
Because....

YOU FUCKING ASKED!!!!!!!!!
Where on earth did I say I wanted a 'real life' comparison contest?

Sothis wrote:I invite you, my peers, to pass judgement on it.

Sothis wrote:So the debate is now over, and this thread will be locked.

I leave it to our peers to decide who was successful.

...that's what he's refering to.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-07-05 07:02pm

Besides all the other things you got wrong, you really argued this from the wrong end of things. TNG showed that lasers are dangerous to Fed starships. When confronted with laser armed vessels, the main shields were raised, and when fired upon, the crew did their typical wobble around and shake routine, indicating damage. Besides this, Trek ships are very vulnerable to solar radiation, which is EM, which, if they could block lasers, would be no problem.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2005-07-06 01:03am

Instead of focusing on Cspeed/not-Cspeed (it's hard to argue when the AOTC:ICS is so explicit about it), you should have focused a bit more on the fact that "SW Laser" has far too many exotic properties to simply be "RL Laser", such as the fact that the "glowing pulse" actually limits the range of the weapon... AND make a point of smacking him repeatedly with the canon evidence supporting the fact that the "Laser" quote of "The Outrageous Okona" is merely a hyperbole.

On the latter, sure, of course he is going to pull the standard Wall of Ignorance™ tactic of crowing complete canon support and crow victory while utterly ignoring the full picture of facts (:banghead:). The thing is, if you simply give ground at that point, especially when you can find contradicting evidence, you'll only end up dancing more and more to his tune.