Federation Overcentralization

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-11-22 07:58pm

which is why ever other year the federation almost or does end up in a war?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-11-24 02:14am

They didn't seem to be so close to war in the first three seasons of TNG, where the theme was emphasized the most. My interpretation of it stops being valid somewhere during the course of TNG. Nothing says it can't be valid for a time period before TNG starts. It's supported, really; attitudes like "combat is a minor province in captaincy" don't suddenly crop up, they grow over years of complacency.

The Federation was bloodied later because the environment of the series changed without the Federation changing with it. I think that this was not a deliberate act but was a result of dumbass writers.

Hell, where the fuck did the Cardassians come from? All of sudden "Oh, the Federation's actually been at war with the Cardassians for some time, and they've just now signed a peace treaty." Where the fuck did this come from?

I could go into a long tirade about this, but I'll sum it up by saying that the writers tried to change the setting without changing the Federation accordingly.

Plus, people are unimaginative, and war is an easy topic to shit stories out about. Why else is the #1 suggestion for "improving Star Trek" invariably "romulan war" or "borg war" or "civil war"?

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2002-11-25 06:27pm

oooo.... A Civil War, I would like that. And not some pussy Civil war; something more like the one in B5

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-11-25 08:15pm

Or the brutal Horus hersery of Warhammmar 40k, bloodshed on a epic scale.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-11-25 08:56pm

Two reasons:

1. Earth is where ships were first built, and already an improtant planet.

2. They're morons. If Earth goes, the Federation itself will follow.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-25 11:54pm

Darth Pounder wrote:In the DS9 book Anti-Matter they were building an Ambassador Class ship on Bajor. As such I surmise that there is a ship construction facilities in most systems. But the most extensive building and R'n'D seem to be in the Sol system.

The books aren't canon.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » 2002-11-26 12:33am

U.S.S. PASTEUR
HOPE CLASS * STARFLEET REGISTRY NCC-58928
MARIN COUNTY STARFLEET YARDS, SKYWALKER DIVISION
UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-26 12:34am

Akira wrote: U.S.S. PASTEUR
HOPE CLASS * STARFLEET REGISTRY NCC-58928
MARIN COUNTY STARFLEET YARDS, SKYWALKER DIVISION
UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS

I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care. Is this on the thread for a reason, or just as a high-jacking attempt?

Akira · Post by **Akira** » 2002-11-26 12:38am

Master of Ossus wrote:
Akira wrote: U.S.S. PASTEUR
HOPE CLASS * STARFLEET REGISTRY NCC-58928
MARIN COUNTY STARFLEET YARDS, SKYWALKER DIVISION
UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS

I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care. Is this on the thread for a reason, or just as a high-jacking attempt?

Just pointing out a link between Star Wars and Star Trek.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-26 12:39am

Akira wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
Akira wrote: U.S.S. PASTEUR
HOPE CLASS * STARFLEET REGISTRY NCC-58928
MARIN COUNTY STARFLEET YARDS, SKYWALKER DIVISION
UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS

I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care. Is this on the thread for a reason, or just as a high-jacking attempt?
Just pointing out a link between Star Wars and Star Trek.

Why'd you put it on this thread? Wouldn't another thread have been a better place?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-26 01:53am

Remember, Ossus, Akira is our chew toy.

Akira: shut up.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-11-26 01:55am

I thought he was putting the picture up to point out another Fleet yard in Marin County but I guess that wasn't the reason.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-11-26 02:01am

Akira wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
Akira wrote: U.S.S. PASTEUR
HOPE CLASS * STARFLEET REGISTRY NCC-58928
MARIN COUNTY STARFLEET YARDS, SKYWALKER DIVISION
UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS

I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care. Is this on the thread for a reason, or just as a high-jacking attempt?
Just pointing out a link between Star Wars and Star Trek.

Or that ILM is showing off in tht most Star Trek's best ships were made in their model deptartment. Also a bit of free advertising

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-12-01 01:52am

It's not the best way to do things: the Feds would do much better with several smaller and more efficient shipyards, placed as closely as possible to their sources of materials to eliminate lengthy shipment delays due to warp speeds. The "one big factory" system is wasteful and slow, take the USSR as an example.

Of course, being as they're a bunch of money-hating commies, the fact that they've got a centralized shipbuilding industry (no doubt controlled by the State) makes perfect sense. Long live the Glorious Redshirt's Paradise!