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Vat grown meat becoming a reality

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Hamburgers grown in labs?

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06702090.htm
New hamburgers 'grown in laboratory'
From correspondents in Washington
July 07, 2005
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LABORATORIES using new tissue engineering technology might be able to produce meat that is healthier for consumers and cut down on pollution produced by factory farming, researchers said.
While NASA engineers have grown fish tissue in lab dishes, no one has seriously proposed a way to grow meat on commercial levels.

But a new study conducted by University of Maryland doctoral student Jason Matheny and his colleagues describe two possible ways to do it.

Writing in the journal Tissue Engineering, Matheny said scientists could grow cells from the muscle tissue of cattle, pigs, poultry or fish in large flat sheets on thin membranes. These sheets of cells would be grown and stretched, then removed from the membranes and stacked to increase thickness and resemble meat.
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Using another method, scientists could grow muscle cells on small three-dimensional beads that stretch with small changes in temperature. The resulting tissue could be used to make processed meat such as chicken nuggets or hamburgers.

"There would be a lot of benefits from cultured meat," Matheny said in a statement. "For one thing, you could control the nutrients."

Meat is high in omega-6 fatty acid, which is desirable, but not in large amounts. Healthful omega-3 fatty acids, such as those found in walnuts and fish oils, could be substituted.

"Cultured meat could also reduce the pollution that results from raising livestock, and you wouldn't need the drugs that are used on animals raised for meat," Matheny said.

Raising livestock requires million of gallons of water and hundreds of acres of land. Meat grown from tissue would bypass those requirements.

The demand for meat is increasing worldwide, Matheny said. "China's meat demand is doubling every ten years," he said. "Poultry consumption in India has doubled in the last five years."

Writing in this month's Physics World, British physicist Alan Calvert calculated that the animals eaten by people produce 21 per cent of the carbon dioxide that can be attributed to human activity. He recommends people switch to a vegetarian diet as a way to battle global warming.

"Worldwide reduction of meat production in the pursuit of the targets set in the Kyoto treaty seems to carry fewer political unknowns than cutting our consumption of fossil fuels," he said in a statement.

The Kyoto treaty is a global agreement aimed at reducing production of so-called greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide that help fuel global warming.
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If true, it would remove the point for ethical vegetarianism.

It would also present interesting problems for Jew: is it kosher or non-kosher?
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kheegan wrote:If true, it would remove the point for ethical vegetarianism.

It would also present interesting problems for Jew: is it kosher or non-kosher?
I suppose if was a Jewish company with its factorys manned by jewish workers and handled only by jewish packers until it got to the store they MIGHT call it ok.

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It should be, it dosn't cross any rules I know off, I'll ask some religious friends about this.
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kheegan wrote:If true, it would remove the point for ethical vegetarianism.

It would also present interesting problems for Jew: is it kosher or non-kosher?
I think fundi christians would make more problems out of it

I know I would eat it anyway (hell, I would even eat soilent green if I'm hungry :P )
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Bah, where is the fun in eating meat without the carnage of innocent animals? :evil:
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Sounds eco-friendly.
Of course when will they make new flavours? We all know what the tastiest flavour of all is :wink:
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Nooooo, you fools! The slaughter of cattle is all that sates the
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Mr Bean wrote:
kheegan wrote:If true, it would remove the point for ethical vegetarianism.

It would also present interesting problems for Jew: is it kosher or non-kosher?
I suppose if was a Jewish company with its factorys manned by jewish workers and handled only by jewish packers until it got to the store they MIGHT call it ok.
Why? Does kosher meat automatically become non-kosher if it's handled by a gentile?
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kheegan wrote:
Why? Does kosher meat automatically become non-kosher if it's handled by a gentile?
Being a non-expert on Jewish traditions I went with the method that covered all the bases. What little I know about Kosher is limited to the method of killing the animal. That said I've met a "Fundi" Jew who told me roughly thats how it went.

I am lacking knowledge in that area.

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" What little I know about Kosher is limited to the method of killing the animal. "

So far as I know there is also a need for the meat to be killed in the presense of a Rabbi and to be blessed.
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NapoleonGH wrote:" What little I know about Kosher is limited to the method of killing the animal. "

So far as I know there is also a need for the meat to be killed in the presense of a Rabbi and to be blessed.
Not from what I hear, can't imagine Rabbies here going around watching cattle die.
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This is good news, though I be they're are more than a few groups organizing to oppose this already.
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Well, if it tastes the same, I'll eat it. If it tastes like crap I won't. Where the food comes from is unimportant, long as it tastes right and has some nuitritional value, (as in, a smidgen of protein).
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A cow without a throat (ie. the flesh) could probably not be made kosher, imho.

I believe the cow has to be killed a certain way, namely, the throat must be slit. As far as I know, you can't slit the legs, or muscles, or whatever, it must be the throat.
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Tiger Ace wrote:
NapoleonGH wrote:" What little I know about Kosher is limited to the method of killing the animal. "

So far as I know there is also a need for the meat to be killed in the presense of a Rabbi and to be blessed.
Not from what I hear, can't imagine Rabbies here going around watching cattle die.
Well where are you hearing it, as my info comes from having grown up in a place with about 40% jewish population and talking to jews about it, I might be wrong mind you, but I dont see why you find it all that odd for there to be "quality control inspector" rabbis as well as preacher rabbis.
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Mr Bean wrote: What little I know about Kosher is limited to the method of killing the animal.

I have a few Jewish friends, what I've picked up:

-the animal's throat must be slit in the presence of a Rabbi
-the carcass must be salted within 72 hours of slaughter
-the beef can't ever come into contact with milk. You must also store it in a separate fridge from the milk (most orthodox Jewish homes have two fridges).


Off hand, other laws besides the obvious no pork:
-you can't anything from the ocean that didn't have scales: no lobster, whale, etc.
-you MUST wash your hands before touching bread, a kosher restaurant should have a small fountain in the main dining area for washing hands (I learned the hard way, lol).
-can't create/snuff-out a fire during the sabath (friday night to saturday night). Electricity is considered 'fire' so you can't break/create electrical connection during that time.
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I wonder how this will affect farming jobs? What do you think?
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kheegan wrote:If true, it would remove the point for ethical vegetarianism.
Interesting. As a vegan I'm not sure how I'd feel about this, but I'd at least hope they'd lable such meat with "Vat-grown!" or some such.

Very interesting...
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Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:I wonder how this will affect farming jobs? What do you think?
Probably eliminate even more of them, unless a factory full of meat machines counts as a "farm"
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Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:I wonder how this will affect farming jobs? What do you think?
Well someone will have the grow the food used to grow the meat still. How else do you get the food for the meat to feed on?
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Meh. My biggest concern is will it taste the same, and are there going to be any unpleasant side effects? If the taste isn't just right, then I'd just as soon stick with a genuine cow burger.
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Well someone will have the grow the food used to grow the meat still. How else do you get the food for the meat to feed on?
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True. I should have added another concern, but I didn't think about it. The article mentions that the current methods of producing food require considerable foodstuffs, water, and other chemicals. Now that they would grow it in vats, would the economic activity decrease since it would not be needed?
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NapoleonGH wrote: Well where are you hearing it, as my info comes from having grown up in a place with about 40% jewish population and talking to jews about it, I might be wrong mind you, but I dont see why you find it all that odd for there to be "quality control inspector" rabbis as well as preacher rabbis.
He's from Israel.

Anyhow, even during the slaughter a special butcher has to be brought in to make sure everything's safe, he's called a shohet.
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