Another dumbshit: "Ed"

[Utsanomiko]

Same here, I E-mailed him and it bounced back. Making a throwaway E-mail account and then getting rid of it so that it is impossible to reply, is truly a new low.

It's certainly low, but the tactic is about as new turtlenecks.

[Winston Blake]

I honestly can't see what the point of humouring this guy is. He obviously knows absolutely nothing about the debate and shot off his two cents to a faceless email adress without thinking twice. He hasn't even watched Ep 2. I mean, patronising DW about seismic charges not working in space, FFS.

These are the kind of people that make me wish i had some kind of noob-friendly "Star Wars vs Star Trek Fundamentals" page to lay out the nature of the Debate in the clearest, simplest possible way. I'd guess that the vast majority of pro-trekkers out there aren't stupid or deceitful, they simply don't know what they're talking about, literally. For those wars of old are gone, converting the Noobian peasants is the only way forward...


...BUT SEISMIC CHARGES NOT WORKING IN SPACE!!! COME FUCKING ON!!!
ok, i'm done.

[Darth Wong]

Same here, I E-mailed him and it bounced back. Making a throwaway E-mail account and then getting rid of it so that it is impossible to reply, is truly a new low.

These Federation types are cowards.

[Utsanomiko]

Yeah, but the negotiations are never swift.

[wilfulton]

Name: Ed
E-Mail: Tennispunk101@aol.com
Subject: Get the facts straight

First of all, there is no way Slave one can create that much power using simple fission.
To generate that power you need fusion, the power of stars,
and the SD might have more beam power output, but it doesnt mean its more powerfull.
It takes a lot of energy to create a laser, and only a small portion of that is actual distructive power.
The shields are another matter. They may be able to dissapate that much energy,
but they do not stop kinetic weapons. Even star wars torpedos go straight through,
a photon torpedo wouldnt even notice the shields. A fighter can fly through the shields with no problem!
 Further more officially, deflectors are immune to lasers, so only on the TURBO lasers
would some energy actually get through to the shields (about.03%),
and that would be the plasma used to "Turbo" charge the laser only the ships
that don't travel faster than warp 5 would recive the full force.
 Galaxy class Reactor (Warpcore) can generate 3 billion GIGA-joules of power!
This was not a mistake. Slave 1's seismic charges WOULD NOT WORK IN SPACE!
First of all you NEED FREAKING AIR for a concussion missle to work. As all of us
with half a brain know, space HAS NO AIR.
Even a basic Galaxy class phasers have a total destructive power of 50,000 TERA-WATTS.
 Imperial weapons are a fraction of this, because Imperial systems are so inefficiant with power.
most of it goes to waste. Hard to belive a civilization so old, hasnt advanced beyond simple fission reactors.
Plus, Paramount enlisted the help of numerous scientists who have Phd's in physics and have
actually worked for years in physics. Star Wars had gotten no such technical help or insight.
Get your facts straight.


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Well, I daresay Ed said a mouthful. Okay... here goes...

The destructive power of star trek weapons mostly goes to waste because of how much energy is needed to make phasors phase coherent. Since only 0.05% of the energy output of a Federation ship is actually converted into destructive power, the phasors would prove utterly useless against Imperial shields, which are capable of resisting up to 5000 nanowatts per mircrosecond of bombardment and then some.

Now consider the federation power core, which is an inefficient matter-anti-matter reactor that produces only about 13% of its energy in a useful form, not exactly a lucky number! In addition, according to a very reliable source (Lt. Cdr. Data), the ship's reactor produces 12.75 billion Gigawatts of power every second! That means that over a hundred billion gigawatts per second of waste energy is produce every second, and that's just a lowere limit estimate! Now consider the effort of making it phase coherent, and you have 6.5 million isowatt phasor! That's barely enough to heat a frozen dinner.

Now considering that every second, the 100+ billion gigawatts generated by the ship's reactor, of waste energy, would blow the ship up if it wasn't for the elaborate containment field. All the Empire would have to do is cause a catastrophic disruption of the quantum microfiliment structure of the universe and boom, all those gigawatts per second per second of power turn into boom.

Now the Imperial turbolaser, which is 36.4% plasma in a turbocharged state, has enough power to penetrate Federation shields, while the navigational deflector would channel away the part that isn't plasma, causing the part that is to impact on the hull, which could be particularly damaging to the ship!

Plus PhD's in modern science aren't even grade school level in SW science. If they were anything better, then how come we don't have hypermatter rectors capable of producing a coherent beam of energy containing 38.6% plasma for the sole purpose of destroying martian spaceships. I suggest you get your facts straight, Ed!

****

there... 64.7 tons of bullshit in 4 minutes, 38 seconds.
ugh...brain hurts.

Okay, final checklist:
Exaggerated claims: check
Unproven/able claims: check
No sources: check
personal attack on Ed: check

Fight fire with fire.

[Nephtys]

The bullshit... it's so.. pure and legitimate-looking. I think Paramount needs to hire you immediately, wilfulton. You'll fit right in.

[Phyre]

The bullshit... it's so.. pure and legitimate-looking. I think Paramount needs to hire you immediately, wilfulton. You'll fit right in.

God(ess[es]) bless this board!

[wautd]

I rate wilfulton's post

5 stars out of 5


Wub you

[Surlethe]

Well, I daresay Ed said a mouthful. Okay... here goes...

The destructive power of star trek weapons mostly goes to waste because of how much energy is needed to make phasors phase coherent. Since only 0.05% of the energy output of a Federation ship is actually converted into destructive power, the phasors would prove utterly useless against Imperial shields, which are capable of resisting up to 5000 nanowatts per mircrosecond of bombardment and then some.

Now consider the federation power core, which is an inefficient matter-anti-matter reactor that produces only about 13% of its energy in a useful form, not exactly a lucky number! In addition, according to a very reliable source (Lt. Cdr. Data), the ship's reactor produces 12.75 billion Gigawatts of power every second! That means that over a hundred billion gigawatts per second of waste energy is produce every second, and that's just a lowere limit estimate! Now consider the effort of making it phase coherent, and you have 6.5 million isowatt phasor! That's barely enough to heat a frozen dinner.

Now considering that every second, the 100+ billion gigawatts generated by the ship's reactor, of waste energy, would blow the ship up if it wasn't for the elaborate containment field. All the Empire would have to do is cause a catastrophic disruption of the quantum microfiliment structure of the universe and boom, all those gigawatts per second per second of power turn into boom.

Now the Imperial turbolaser, which is 36.4% plasma in a turbocharged state, has enough power to penetrate Federation shields, while the navigational deflector would channel away the part that isn't plasma, causing the part that is to impact on the hull, which could be particularly damaging to the ship!

Plus PhD's in modern science aren't even grade school level in SW science. If they were anything better, then how come we don't have hypermatter rectors capable of producing a coherent beam of energy containing 38.6% plasma for the sole purpose of destroying martian spaceships. I suggest you get your facts straight, Ed!

****

there... 64.7 tons of bullshit in 4 minutes, 38 seconds.
ugh...brain hurts.

Okay, final checklist:
Exaggerated claims: check
Unproven/able claims: check
No sources: check
personal attack on Ed: check

Fight fire with fire.

On a scale of 0 to bullshit, I give this a dried weasel semen.

[QuantumLobsters]

Such a shame. I was really looking forward to seeing Mr. Ed's response.

[Spiny Norman]

Now that was funny! And I mean both bits of BS, though WilFulton's was far more amusing for the sarcastic factor.

I suppose it's ridiculous to ask, but all in all, how much of this type of email does Darth Wong receive?

[Adrian Laguna]

-snip-
Fight fire with fire.

That was pretty good, but not quite. Your bullshit claims need to sound a bit more scientific, so as to better emulate idiotic pseudoscience. Also, try to tone down the bullshit, make it a bit more subtle. Your bullshit is about as subtle as an artillery barrage, tone it down to "rocket-propelled granade".

[Darth Wong]

Now that was funny! And I mean both bits of BS, though WilFulton's was far more amusing for the sarcastic factor.

I suppose it's ridiculous to ask, but all in all, how much of this type of email does Darth Wong receive?

Actually, I only get a few of those Trekkie lamer messages a week now. Most of them I simply delete for their sheer stupidity. A typical Trekkie lamer message goes like this:

"Man, your website sucks. If you actually watched the show, you would know that photon torpedoes are way more powerful than proton torpedoes. Proton torpedoes aren't even real science."

That's the problem with Trek lamers nowadays; anybody who still clings to rabid Trek fanboyism is too stupid to construct a half-decent argument.

[Stuart Mackey]

Now that was funny! And I mean both bits of BS, though WilFulton's was far more amusing for the sarcastic factor.

I suppose it's ridiculous to ask, but all in all, how much of this type of email does Darth Wong receive?

Actually, I only get a few of those Trekkie lamer messages a week now. Most of them I simply delete for their sheer stupidity. A typical Trekkie lamer message goes like this:

"Man, your website sucks. If you actually watched the show, you would know that photon torpedoes are way more powerful than proton torpedoes. Proton torpedoes aren't even real science."

That's the problem with Trek lamers nowadays; anybody who still clings to rabid Trek fanboyism is too stupid to construct a half-decent argument.

Inbreeding will do that.