My Cap Newland (follower of Darkstar) debate.

Hot Hands Harry · Post by **Hot Hands Harry** » 2005-07-11 06:31pm

Well I just got banned from the ++www.strek-v-swars.net board run by the son of Darkstar. Apparently he stopped reading my replays and just did a repeat of his points summary, again and again. Also he was lying that I was not responding to his points when I did every time and copied the replies. So I guess I won if he had to ban be to get the last word. So if anyone is interested they can see my Stormtrooper armor debat with him here, ++http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/vie ... 6b6c5b2217

It should be noted that he did conceded to me in another debate on Stormtrooper armor and this is his Darkstar retread. I think I did ok for my first real debate. I would like some advice if anyone wants to give it. Just don’t call me a F-ing idiot, for not doing A, B and C. Be warned it is long.

Phyre · Post by **Phyre** » 2005-07-11 09:32pm

After reading what canon material can be used, that mother...... is justsetting up SW to lose. Only EU material backed by film material? Please... ST pulls Treknobabble out and wanktastic stuff that only appears in one episode, yet only some EU is allowed? Goodluck on any debate.

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-07-11 10:19pm

I've been there for a couple of months, stuck in one long-ass debate with BigHairyMountainMan about various topics. Luckily, I finally have him by the balls, but thats a whole 'nother topic. Newland and the very rules over there, however... whew. I got up to 2nd warning level just for insulting BHMM after he refused to admit that the AotC asteroids were solid instead of gravel, and Newland threatened to ban me after I continued debating an EU topic started by BHMM (apparently their rules are to threaten banning for discussion of the EU).

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-07-11 10:23pm

Meh, I spent a few days arguing with Newland over the 'Seige of AR1138' and the stupidity of the Jemmies. Basically, he came up with some assinign theory of rocks cliffs to skinny to stand on and every time I came up with a picture, he'd tell me I didn't know what I was talking about and told me to go 'rewatch the episode'.

Occasionally I find it amusing to go over there, Vympel really needs a medal for some of his long debates with them, and the patience he displays. But mostly, its a broken record over there.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-11 10:32pm

Don't they actually take Darkstar's "it took 24 hours to frog-march Han and Leia out of the bunker on Endor" bullshit seriously over there? That should tell anyone all they need to know about how loony they are.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-07-11 10:37pm

Darth Wong wrote:Don't they actually take Darkstar's "it took 24 hours to frog-march Han and Leia out of the bunker on Endor" bullshit seriously over there? That should tell anyone all they need to know about how loony they are.

That's their current argument? I thought they claimed it took days to weeks to walk around the base perimeter to reach the back door.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-07-11 10:56pm

Darth Wong wrote:Don't they actually take Darkstar's "it took 24 hours to frog-march Han and Leia out of the bunker on Endor" bullshit seriously over there? That should tell anyone all they need to know about how loony they are.

That's what most claim out of lazyness, BHMM, however, tried to argue that there's a massive timegap between "there's a secret entrance on the other side of the ridge" and the speeder bike theft scene, between which the Rebels went back to the Ewoks and planned the Ewok ambush etc etc. This avoids the absurdity of arguing that Leia doens't know the timetable of her own military operation, and instead introduces the absurdity of the Ewok ambush being planned with full knowledge of the Rebels (despite all canon to the contrary including explicit radio drama statements that he then tried to twist in his favour as some kind of ploy on the part of the Rebels to "feign" surprise), and still doesn't do anything for Luke sitting around with his thumb up his ass on the DS2 for days/weeks at a time

I actually haven't been there since May (RotS and all) but I went back today.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2005-07-11 11:07pm

Firefox wrote:That's their current argument? I thought they claimed it took days to weeks to walk around the base perimeter to reach the back door.

After Episode III it is quite clear that Hyperdrives are insanely fast. Unless they want to argue that Obi-Wan and Anakin spent days fighting each other. The novelization says that Obi-Wan could see Palpatine's ship as he was leaving the Lava Planet.

They'll probably either ignore the evidence or make-up some ridiculous bullshit to explain it. Like always.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-07-11 11:23pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:
After Episode III it is quite clear that Hyperdrives are insanely fast. Unless they want to argue that Obi-Wan and Anakin spent days fighting each other. The novelization says that Obi-Wan could see Palpatine's ship as he was leaving the Lava Planet.

They'll probably either ignore the evidence or make-up some ridiculous bullshit to explain it. Like always.

Darkstar has already claimed, predictably, that "the shadows" are different, therefore the novelization is wrong and Palpatine arrived sometime after Obi-Wan had left

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2005-07-12 01:21am

The weird thing is the few time I have talked off topic with Newland he seems like a nice kid (he's only like 15 or something). Its just that when he gets on ST v SW he is a fucking douchebag and a half. I don't know what it is but man, he is just a real ass about having ST win or at least not get stomped.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-12 01:27am

Dark Hellion wrote:The weird thing is the few time I have talked off topic with Newland he seems like a nice kid (he's only like 15 or something). Its just that when he gets on ST v SW he is a fucking douchebag and a half. I don't know what it is but man, he is just a real ass about having ST win or at least not get stomped.

He's a young brat. A word about brats: the primary characteristic of a brat is that he throws a tantrum and acts like a baby when he doesn't get what he wants.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-07-12 02:04am

Vympel wrote:
Adrian Laguna wrote:
After Episode III it is quite clear that Hyperdrives are insanely fast. Unless they want to argue that Obi-Wan and Anakin spent days fighting each other. The novelization says that Obi-Wan could see Palpatine's ship as he was leaving the Lava Planet.

They'll probably either ignore the evidence or make-up some ridiculous bullshit to explain it. Like always.
Darkstar has already claimed, predictably, that "the shadows" are different, therefore the novelization is wrong and Palpatine arrived sometime after Obi-Wan had left

Darkstar likes his shadows did he not do some thing on endor with them too. Also dose this not forget that both were moons and had an extra component to there orbit that earth (what the formula is worked out for),

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-12 02:06am

Glimmervoid wrote:
Vympel wrote:
Adrian Laguna wrote:
After Episode III it is quite clear that Hyperdrives are insanely fast. Unless they want to argue that Obi-Wan and Anakin spent days fighting each other. The novelization says that Obi-Wan could see Palpatine's ship as he was leaving the Lava Planet.

They'll probably either ignore the evidence or make-up some ridiculous bullshit to explain it. Like always.
Darkstar has already claimed, predictably, that "the shadows" are different, therefore the novelization is wrong and Palpatine arrived sometime after Obi-Wan had left
Darkstar likes his shadows did he not do some thing on endor with them too. Also dose this not forget that both were moons and had an extra component to there orbit that earth (what the formula is worked out for),

I love the way he bullshits about shadows on a planet where most of the ambient lighting comes from the glow of the lava.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-07-12 02:32am

Darth Wong wrote:
Glimmervoid wrote:
Vympel wrote: Darkstar has already claimed, predictably, that "the shadows" are different, therefore the novelization is wrong and Palpatine arrived sometime after Obi-Wan had left
Darkstar likes his shadows did he not do some thing on endor with them too. Also dose this not forget that both were moons and had an extra component to there orbit that earth (what the formula is worked out for),
I love the way he bullshits about shadows on a planet where most of the ambient lighting comes from the glow of the lava.

Can you even see a single star in the Mustafar sky?

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-07-12 08:02am

Darth Wong wrote:
Glimmervoid wrote:
Vympel wrote: Darkstar has already claimed, predictably, that "the shadows" are different, therefore the novelization is wrong and Palpatine arrived sometime after Obi-Wan had left
Darkstar likes his shadows did he not do some thing on endor with them too. Also dose this not forget that both were moons and had an extra component to there orbit that earth (what the formula is worked out for),
I love the way he bullshits about shadows on a planet where most of the ambient lighting comes from the glow of the lava.

And if the stars stayed exactly the same he would probably use it as proof that a year has past.

Hot Hands Harry · Post by **Hot Hands Harry** » 2005-07-13 03:46pm

It was like debating with a brick wall. I know if I had to have done it again I would have done some summaries of my own. It was his way of avoiding making a comeback to a point that he couldn’t answer. The funny thing was I would get some headway and then he would start over again.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-07-13 05:36pm

Hot Hands Harry wrote:The funny thing was I would get some headway and then he would start over again.

Welcome to the land of debating trektards.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2005-07-13 07:55pm

I admire anyone who actually does debate them. I want to gouge my eyes out just after reading a few posts.

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2005-07-14 09:05am

Hot Hands Harry wrote: It was like debating with a brick wall. I know if I had to have done it again I would have done some summaries of my own. It was his way of avoiding making a comeback to a point that he couldn’t answer. The funny thing was I would get some headway and then he would start over again.

Ah the lovely side effects of debating with Trektards. At least you got banned before you went insane from the lack of evidence in their debates, I nearly went crazy just from reading those boards let alone posting on them.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2005-07-14 09:24am

Well I its another "Lets sit around and remiss about what a douche Darkstar was thread".

To protect myself from the stupidty, how many users is his board running on?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-07-14 11:12am

Mr Bean wrote:Well I its another "Lets sit around and remiss about what a douche Darkstar was thread".

Not quite. Its a "what a douche Darkstar's followers are" thread.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-07-14 01:26pm

Mr Bean wrote:Well I its another "Lets sit around and remiss about what a douche Darkstar was thread".

To protect myself from the stupidty, how many users is his board running on?

There are 171 registered users (DMJ is the latest registered user), but there are less than a dozen really active members. The board is naturally biased towards Trek. There are also more pro-Trek debaters than pro-Wars debaters. The EU, as well as the DK series of books, are inadmissable. There are some really absurd claims being made, which perhaps is unsurprising.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-07-15 04:47pm

What about the ICS series are they admissible?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-07-15 04:57pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:What about the ICS series are they admissible?

Trekkies of their ilk hate Curtis Saxton with a passion. I seriously doubt that they accept the ICS.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-07-15 05:05pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote:What about the ICS series are they admissible?
Trekkies of their ilk hate Curtis Saxton with a passion. I seriously doubt that they accept the ICS.

The policy : The ICS is not allowed bacause it's a. not part of the canon Star Wars universe and b. grossly inconsistent with the movies.