Yuuzhan Vong in the Delta Quadrant

[Illuminatus Primus]

The Vong could land enough ground troops to wipe out much of Coruscant's population and ground defenses and troops. That would require tens of billion of warriors even if they only had to face the planets police, let alone all the armed civilians and troops.

Manpower wont be an issue.

Wrong, just begin terraforming and shutting off the artificial planetary climate control and the food shipments and they all die without sending troops. They just wanted access to the Republic computers (Vong make exceptions for taking info from abominable computers like at Obra-Skai). They weren't going to suppress the whole planet.

[Illuminatus Primus]

If funny ore confuses transporters, I bet that singularities would screw them up or at least the Vong could figure out how to do that.

[Ender]

Master of Ossus: Skips do have a sort of Basal allocation system -% to shields or engines, however Star By Star actually has shield crews directing the Dovin basals shielding and grabing etc.

Im not sure on this point but I seem to remember something about the shielding crews being mislead or a line about their reactions,

I believe you refer to the escape onboard the Trickster. The ship wanted to cover it's "belly" and started to, which would have left them open for boarding, which is why GFanner had to force it not to.

however the point still stands that even if the basals control themselves they still havent shown the ability to react ftl (that im aware of)

They dson't have the reaction speed. Hence why the Shockers strafe at near C, then slow to engage. People always deride that as stupid because beings can't react fast enough at those speeds, but that is the point. The astromechs can, the Vong can't. Hence why it is a great tactic.

and they have been nullified by an IDF, meaning a SF ship could easily use some technobabble and the Vong ships are shieldless and dead in the water.

That's not quite how it works. They are able to keep them from draining their shields by using IDF, and are able to confuse and jam the Yammosks by variations on it, but they cannot shut down propulsion or defenses.

not to mention that we still dont know what effect transporters will have on dovin basals but with the shielding crew idea im leaning towards transporters sneaking by (Vong sensors are visual and gravity based right? since transporters seem to be simply energy I dont see them showing up on either system).

Transporters should work, but if they use skips, that could be negated except for planetary assault, where I don't think they could beam enough fastenough to kill them in time.

[TheDarkling]

Yes but if they dont know when someone is using a transporter how will they know when to activate it - they cant keep Dovin Basals constantly generating shielding remember.

I also think it would be good fun to use torps at FTL ( we know it can be done) that launch from a ship at STL (it will probably take some modding though).

[Ender]

If funny ore confuses transporters, I bet that singularities would screw them up or at least the Vong could figure out how to do that.

Yes, but the range means that they could potentionally beam them in without the vong knowing that the ship was out there in time to do anything until the first torp corked off.

[TheDarkling]

Ender: Just beam the skips up, they can beam shuttles which are in a similiar size class, if not the entire skip then half of it should do.

We also have Anti graviton beams (basically gravity nullifying) which should do a nice job on the Vong gravity generating.

The Vong are simply going to take a beating because in this case the FKR are far better equiped to fight the Vong than the NR was.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Yes but if they dont know when someone is using a transporter how will they know when to activate it - they cant keep Dovin Basals constantly generating shielding remember.

I also think it would be good fun to use torps at FTL ( we know it can be done) that launch from a ship at STL (it will probably take some modding though).

If the weaponfire being absorbed it weak, it can last longer before the basal "wears out". There's examples of basals getting tired and increasingly more NR fire getting through. Against weak transporters and Trek weapons, they could keep their voids up for much longer.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Ender: Just beam the skips up, they can beam shuttles which are in a similiar size class, if not the entire skip then half of it should do.

We also have Anti graviton beams (basically gravity nullifying) which should do a nice job on the Vong gravity generating.

The Vong are simply going to take a beating because in this case the FKR are far better equiped to fight the Vong than the NR was.

The anti-graviton beams would have to be comparable in strength to the Vong's basals to adequately counter them. It's power, not name, numb nuts.

[TheDarkling]

Yes but they would have to cover the entire ship (since they dont know where the attack will come from) and we also dont know what level of singularity will be needed to stop a transporter beam (if any level can stop it).

[TheDarkling]

Illuminatus Primus: I very much doubt it works like that but even if it does it will still drain the dovin basals, no need to start up the flames though.

[Illuminatus Primus]

It's hard to say if the singularity's presence won't confuse the transporters, but even if this tactic worked the first time, they'd probably adapt eventually.

They have the immense speed advantage and can hit and run ftom roundezvous points in deep space until they've countered the transporters. Hell, whatever ore confuses transporters could eventually be added to the recipe for yorik coral. They can hide in deep space with impunity as long as they need.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I apologize.

[Ender]

Ender: Just beam the skips up, they can beam shuttles which are in a similiar size class, if not the entire skip then half of it should do.

They have to get a lock on at that speed.

We also have Anti graviton beams (basically gravity nullifying) which should do a nice job on the Vong gravity generating.

It still needs the power behind it to do the job.

The Vong are simply going to take a beating because in this case the FKR are far better equiped to fight the Vong than the NR was.

Better at taking advantage of the nuances of Vong "tech"? yes. Better equipped to fight them? No, not unless they picked up high teraton-petaton level weapons somewhere.

[TheDarkling]

Illuminatus Primus: I agree there, the huge FTL advantage will be pretty much the Vongs only plus but they will be worn down especially if transporters prove to be an effective weapon, theres also the theory that phasers are wrapped in a subspace field (because they can be fired at warp) if true then this may enable phasers to cut past the gravity bending effects of the black holes and the yorik coral will probably not resist phasers well.

[Ender]

Hell, whatever ore confuses transporters could eventually be added to the recipe for yorik coral. They can hide in deep space with impunity as long as they need.

That is entirely dependent on Nen Yim fixing that issue and even then they would have to regrow the entire fleet.

[TheDarkling]

Ender: They dont need high teraton weapony because if they can "sneak around" dovin basals shielding then a phaser will slice and dice the ships nicely, as for gaining a lock - shouldnt be too differcult for worldships and the bigger ships.

[TheDarkling]

Not to mention politically the Federation is much better setup to fight a war (not often you can say that), I also see the Romulans or section 31 (or the dominion if they get bothered by the vong) coming up with some sort of disease that causes rejection (probably interpretted as the gods punishing the Vong for a bad war effort causing them to throw more troops into the fire in order to gain some sort of victory).

[HemlockGrey]

Um, would hand phasers even penetrate Vong armor?

[Master of Ossus]

Um, would hand phasers even penetrate Vong armor?

I'm not sure that they would. Yuuzhan Vong armor is even resistant to lightsabers, and stops hand blasters cold, necessitating careful shot-selection.

[Ender]

Not to mention politically the Federation is much better setup to fight a war (not often you can say that), I also see the Romulans or section 31 (or the dominion if they get bothered by the vong) coming up with some sort of disease that causes rejection (probably interpretted as the gods punishing the Vong for a bad war effort causing them to throw more troops into the fire in order to gain some sort of victory).

NR did you one better, but it took 4 years. I question whether the Feds can work fast enough to get it done in time.

[Crayz9000]

Negative. You do not ally with the Vong. They would make pretenses, but then betray and try to shape the 8s. Even the Peace Brigade was steadily starting to use vong equipment and recieving implants, making them slaves rather then allies.

Yes, I understand that. As I said, you shouldn't take any alliance for granted, especially between two volatile races like that. Either 8472 would attempt to subvert the Vong or vice versa... either way, it wouldn't be pretty.

[Ender]

Ender: They dont need high teraton weapony because if they can "sneak around" dovin basals shielding then a phaser will slice and dice the ships nicely, as for gaining a lock - shouldnt be too differcult for worldships and the bigger ships.

That kinda proves my point: The Feds are better at using nuances then a straight up fight. And I still don't see how they will "sneak around" it.

[TheDarkling]

Ender: The various methods already mentioned - even the NR used technobabble to help them in the fight and other unconventional warfare - thats what the Feds excel at.

On a bioweapon front - section 31 came up with the founders bioplague in a year or two and the they know next to nothing about their biology, the Vong would be childs play by comparission.

[Crayz9000]

Ender: The various methods already mentioned - even the NR used technobabble to help them in the fight and other unconventional warfare - thats what the Feds excel at.

On a bioweapon front - section 31 came up with the founders bioplague in a year or two and the they know next to nothing about their biology, the Vong would be childs play by comparission.

Except... the Yuuzhan Vong are also experts at bioengineering. Imagine infiltrators going down to Earth with clean bills of health and spreading bo'tous all over the Senate.

And even if Section 31 did manage to infect a single Yuuzhan Vong ship, I'm sure that the shaper caste would be able to determine the cause and neutralize it. They aren't complete idiots, after all.

[TheDarkling]

Crayz9000: Except those with rejection arent ill they have displeased the gods and are thus shuned, if an entire ship falls prey that ship did something wrong and so on eventually they catch on so you make the disease less that 100% contagious, it isnt meant to kill the Vong its meant to thin their ranks (by removing the infected from the warrior pool) and act as a way of diminishing morale ("what the hell are we doing wrong???" priest - " the gods are displeased with the progress of the war" warmaster- "then we must attack ...." etc etc).

The Vong are really a joke - im sure the point of the series of books is a)The empire was better afterall b)the Vongs gods exist because nothing less than devine intervention could have allowed them to get this far.