Cage Match: 7of9 vs. Buffy

Xero Cool Down · Post by **Xero Cool Down** » 2005-07-20 03:29am

Inspired by this thread

Buffy gets a stake, 7 gets her nanoprobes. Let's get it on!

Xero Cool Down · Post by **Xero Cool Down** » 2005-07-20 03:30am

I guess this isn't SWvsST. hmmmm fantasy maybe?

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-07-20 03:32am

Indeed.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2005-07-20 08:32am

I give it to Buffy. From what I know of the borg, they may be strong, but they are not that fast, Buffy is.

And why bother giving them weapons, we've already seen 7 of 9 in a hand-to-hand combat situation in that episode where she got her ass kicked by an Alien!The Rock.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-07-20 10:28am

Which season of Buffy are we talking here? Season 1 & 2 she's not -that- much stronger than a regular human, but 5+ she gets to be. . .well, let's say Seven wouldn't stand much of a chance.

sparrowtm · Post by **sparrowtm** » 2005-07-20 11:14am

7 of 9 seems to have the same level of close-combat knowledge as her fellow Starfleet officers. Since that level equals "any blind tortoise with athritis can kill me easily", Buffy won't have any problems staking the Borg-bugger.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-07-20 11:44am

Xero Cool Down wrote:Inspired by this thread

Buffy gets a stake, 7 gets her nanoprobes. Let's get it on!

Oh they will, they will.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-07-20 11:47am

I give it to Buffy. Buffy seems to have the upper hand in strength (correct me if am a wrong) and she is also trained in close combat unlike 7 of 9.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-07-20 11:52am

Glimmervoid wrote:I give it to Buffy. Buffy seems to have the upper hand in strength (correct me if am a wrong) and she is also trained in close combat unlike 7 of 9.

7 actually did receive close combat training, but that wasn't til much later in Voyager, iirc. I'd quote the episode name and number, but I haven't watched Voyager in . . .well, awhile. It was the episode with The Rock where she and Chakotay were kidnapped and forced to fight in a gladiatorial style event.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2005-07-20 01:14pm

General Zod wrote:
Glimmervoid wrote:I give it to Buffy. Buffy seems to have the upper hand in strength (correct me if am a wrong) and she is also trained in close combat unlike 7 of 9.
7 actually did receive close combat training, but that wasn't til much later in Voyager, iirc. I'd quote the episode name and number, but I haven't watched Voyager in . . .well, awhile. It was the episode with The Rock where she and Chakotay were kidnapped and forced to fight in a gladiatorial style event.

It was Tuvok.

Oh and Buffy wins with ease.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2005-07-20 01:14pm

Jason von Evil wrote:
Xero Cool Down wrote:Inspired by this thread

Buffy gets a stake, 7 gets her nanoprobes. Let's get it on!
Oh they will, they will.

I was waiting for that.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-07-20 01:20pm

It was the episode with The Rock where she and Chakotay were kidnapped and forced to fight in a gladiatorial style event.

Tsunkatse

Pendragon · Post by **Pendragon** » 2005-07-21 01:38pm

Cage fight? They should be mudwrestling!

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-07-21 02:16pm

Does Buffy know about the Nanoprobe's and know to avoid Seven's mechanical-hand.

If so, buffy beats the living tar out of Seven in a way that makes a WWE Hell in the Cell match look tame

If not, Seven has a chance, abiet not much of one.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-07-21 02:27pm

Solauren wrote:Does Buffy know about the Nanoprobe's and know to avoid Seven's mechanical-hand.

If so, buffy beats the living tar out of Seven in a way that makes a WWE Hell in the Cell match look tame

If not, Seven has a chance, abiet not much of one.

More importantly, does Seven know how strong Buffy is? If not, then she's likely to vastly underestimate Buffy's strength and agility. I don't think Seven's nanoprobes would be of much use against that.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2005-07-21 10:05pm

I can't help but feel that a close combat expert who spends her entire life fighting super strong blood sucking types is going to deal with someone who sees close combat very very rarely.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-07-22 05:22pm

The Guid wrote:I can't help but feel that a close combat expert who spends her entire life fighting super strong blood sucking types is going to deal with someone who sees close combat very very rarely.

. . . .care to rephrase that in coherent English? So that it makes sense? I'm trying to make heads or tails of it and. . .well, failing badly.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2005-07-22 11:21pm

That show where her and tuvok were captured seemed to suggest that 7 of 9 was stronger than vulcans. How strong are vulcans and how much stronger is buffy than an normal human?

Exalted_Leader · Post by **Exalted_Leader** » 2005-07-22 11:39pm

In the first episode of the series, Buffy made a leap while standing in place that cleared a fence gate that was at least 10' in height (and not just marginally). She's also torn-off her fair share of car doors (and regularly goes toe-to-toe with demons who can do much more than that).

I don't recall Seven demonstrating any such feats of raw strength (post-borg, anyway).

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-07-23 12:52am

Buffy also handles the Troll-God hammer like it was made of plastic, meanwhile, the thing is dense and heavy enough it collapsed a display case that can hold an old heavy register.

Using said hammer, she swung it with enough force to hurt a being that shrugged off being his by a speeding semi-truck.

Unless Seven gets in a very lucky nanoprobe injection, she's spare parts

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-07-23 02:15pm

ArmorPierce wrote:That show where her and tuvok were captured seemed to suggest that 7 of 9 was stronger than vulcans. How strong are vulcans and how much stronger is buffy than an normal human?

Vulcans seem to be 2 or 3 times stronger than the average human, though I can't recall any actual measurements given out. In a ToS episode, whose name I'm forgetting at the moment, (it's the one where Spock and the rest of the crew gets infected by alien happy spores) Kirk had to use a metal pipe in order to knock an enraged Spock unconscious, while his fists and legs weren't doing much in the way of actual damage.

Pendragon · Post by **Pendragon** » 2005-07-24 09:26am

Solauren wrote:Buffy also handles the Troll-God hammer like it was made of plastic, meanwhile, the thing is dense and heavy enough it collapsed a display case that can hold an old heavy register.

Using said hammer, she swung it with enough force to hurt a being that shrugged off being his by a speeding semi-truck.

Unless Seven gets in a very lucky nanoprobe injection, she's spare parts

According to the RPG at least, the hammer amplifies the strength of the weilder. Glory was also in a weakened state because of the Dagon sphere.

As far as I remember, she didnt really "shrug off" the hit from the semi either. IIRC it caused her to involountarily turn back into Ben, something wich happens when she's hurting.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2005-07-24 10:29am

[RPG Data, beware!]

She's 4x Stronger than an average human(lift a max of 1700lbs), and over 4.5 times faster (reflexes included) and 4 times as durrable.

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Here are some of the more insnae feats Buffy pulled oiff in Seasons 1 through 5.

In "Who Are You" Buffy was able to rip off a hunk of wood from a pew without any effort. Thick Wooden doors have been easily kicked in as have lighter metal doors, though she is unable to break through heavy metal doors. ("Spiral", "I Robot, You Jane", "Lie to Me", "The Dark Age", "Ted", "Bad Eggs", "The Body" and many others).

Then there's breaking other things: , aside from snaping stands, various necks and yanking off pipes of various sizes (Various episodes, "Band Candy", "Flooded").

The maximum distance she's ever leapt occured in "Buffy vs. Dracula", where she covered 20ft vertically, and 15ft horizontally. Normally, she is shown to cover leaps of up to 12 feet with ease.

She is strong enough to throw a human body up to 20ft ("The Witch", "What's my Line part 2"). The speed of these unforunate's was about 28mph.

Her heavier blows have tossed normal humans 8ft over and 5ft in the air ("The Witch"). Later on ("The Initiative") a blow sent a target skdding along 25ft, reaching a height of 3ft, in 0.834 seconds (or, sending him flying at just over 20mph). A kick has sent a vampire flying 15ft over and 5ft up in half a second (22mph) ("The Gift").

In terms of simple lifting, the metal portcullis in "Anne" is by far the heaviest thing she's lifted, and that took her 12 seconds to lifte, and held for 3 more before going under it herself.

In terms of speed, aside from crossbow-snatching ("Help"), she has dodged shooters, but not their bullets. She avoids getting shot by moving faster than the shooter can follow. The range of how far she can do this is about 30ft. ("Angel", "Becoming part 2", "Homecoming"). The weapons involved were pistols, a revolver, a hunting rifle and an M-16 w/grenade launcher, as well as Adam's Minigun.

Outside of this, she and Faith used the same trick to dodge 116mph energy blasts in "Revelation".

Her aim ain't to shabby either, nailing a vampire in the heart with a thrown stake at over 50ft away ("Bad Girls").

Her running speed is stated to be up to 35mph. We've seen her run 16mph ("Anne"--pushing a guy from in front of a car from 50ft away). And catching the Sobekite Snake Monster ("Shadow") whose movement rate varied from 55mph to 28mph.

When fightging 2 demons in Maggie Walshes Trap ("The I in Team"), her heart rate is listed at 145BPM. I have no idea what that means, really. I just think it's interesting.

Durablity--yeah, we all know how good blunt-force trauma is against her. She's also taken bolts from livewire that only knocked her down for a few seconds (just over 2) ("I Robot, You Jane"). Not even Ted the Robot could cause any visible injury on her (none appeared 1hr after the incident). Even being hit by an older-model Ford caused her to do anything but be knocked down for a few seconds (Anne).

She's made several falls with little effect on her. The highest beign 2 stories in "The Freshman" and later knocked off Glory's Diving Board, falling 50ft onto cement, stunning her for only 1 second ("Barganing Part 2").

Xero Cool Down · Post by **Xero Cool Down** » 2005-07-24 11:21pm

ArmorPierce wrote:That show where her and tuvok were captured seemed to suggest that 7 of 9 was stronger than vulcans. How strong are vulcans and how much stronger is buffy than an normal human?

Unfortunately ST has a habit of making nonhumans superstrong when they wan't and then not continuing that in other episodes. I think Vulcans, like Ferengi are supposed to be 2-3 times stronger than humans, but other than the episodes where that was mentioned I don't recall ever seeing it demonstrated.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2005-07-25 12:38am

That reminds me of the Hirogen. They started off with them all being huge, about 7 feet tall, and shrugging off Tuvok's physical attacks. After the first couple of episodes that we see them, they had shrunken down to normal human size and weren't so fearsome nor seemed so strong.

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