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Remember Ethan Westgate? He just sent this:
in the movie StarTrek 5 when james kirk leads a rescue of the representitives of the major powers in the alpha quadrent we see him use shuttle craft to land a well equipt attack force thus it stands to reason taht 200 years later the same could be done and if so we can make the connection of 20th centruy air moble(ie guys riding in hellicopters jumping out and taking an objective see veitnam) and 24th century shuttle mobile and we see in several episodes most notably the "vallient"(DS9 the beginig when nog and jake come under attack by the je'hadar) that the shuttles are at least armed and cappible of supporting infantry further more in the episode "paridise lost"(DS9) we find out that the federation posses "personal force fields" and we see that these can work in the show "fistfull of data's"(TNG) and most borg shows and in nemisis we see taht the Romulans have attack flyers that would probobly play the attack hellicopter(see apeche helicopter)and from picards efident non-supris at such a craft me may assume taht the federation also posses a similer craft or at least is formillier with the tactics thus it is not unreasonable to assume that
1: The Star Trek univers posses a mobile force wether its starfleet marines("nor the battle to be strong" DS9)or klingon shock troops("the warrior" pt 1 and 2 DS9)or enintire romulan legion("the defector" TNG) mounted in shuttles
2: we may assume that the non-pesonal force field troops equipt represent the light infantry end of the spetrum of the troops in the alpha quadrent and the the personal force field equipt troops represent the heavy infantry
in the spectrum(in my opinion the force field generator is bulky and expensive meaning that only a small persentig of troops would get these powerfull units)
3: the trasporter would mean that startrek troops play the roles: paratrooper and air mobile while this means that the over all tactics able to be used by the star trek commanders is more limited it does not meant that the star trek troops are any less deadly then there star wars counterparts
in your War Campaign page you state the following:
an insignificant diversion of 100 Star Destroyers from existing sector fleets would be more than adequate
and then go even farther by stating:
Redeploy the ships from phase 2 into a mobile marauder force, still composed of the same 50 capital ships and their attached fighter group of 3600 ships (remember that with long-range communications cut, the Federation has no way of knowing that these ships are not still besieging their remote colonies, and phase 2 was only a diversion anyway). Use this marauder force to move through enemy territory and attack critical strategic installations in force. The Federation's enemies have historically attacked in piecemeal fashion, with small-scale attacks on outlying installations such as DS9, or harmless "Doolittle" attacks upon important installations (such as the symbolic but ineffective Breen attack on Federation HQ). This is partially due to the weak propulsion technology of their enemies: the Federation can usually detect inbound attackers in time to intercept them en route to a deep target. However, their ships are far too slow to intercept our forces en route, even if they can detect them. Therefore, we will use our superior mobility to conduct hit and run attacks upon the following, in order:

Their military leadership: Destroy Starfleet HQ and its immediate surroundings with orbital bombardment.

Logistical support facilities: Destroy starbases, antimatter supply depots, and starship refueling facilities.

Industrial facilities: Destroy shipyards, manufacturing facilities, material refineries, and critical mining colonies.
well first off i thought that the doolitle raid hepld win the war and i belive most historians agree since ALL of the members of the dootile raid were given the medal of honor(the most given at one time in history) and i belive that the breen attack was very effective becouse for months the federation was incapible of reparing new ships from there utopa planitia yards
and second off since the dominion war the 3rd fleet has always staid near the sol system() and since the end of the dominion war many starships are in the sol system undergoing refites, repairs and crew leave meaning that both thses star ships(im gessing around 12 star ships at any given moment) and the 3rd fleet(around 100 starships manned by combat vets) would severly out number your fleet and theres another problom your fleet dosent know two very importent things
1: where earth is dont know where it is cant find it
2: dont know the "lay of the land"(ie they dont have all the astronomical data) meaning that they would have to stop every system in order to correct there position so that the target is in a strait line with the fleet otherwise they could run in to a super nova or a star of a planet thus severly limiting there speed(and i disagree about how fast the hyperdrive is)
and then you go'on to state:
The Federation has seen fit to concentrate virtually its entire military into its Starfleet. Even its ground troops (as seen in Siege of AR-588) are part of Starfleet rather than a separate branch of its military. Most planets (even Earth, its capital) are completely demilitarized, and any troop deployments would come from orbiting starships (as seen in “Paradise Lost”). Its ground forces are pitifully inadequate to resist full scale invasions, and there seem to be no standing armies or militias of any kind. Given our tactical superiority in infantry armament and equipment, mobile armour (including war droids), and artillery, it should be quite easy to conquer key systems such as Earth and Vulcan (in which the bulk of their government and military/industrial/scientific resources seems to reside) through conventional invasion, without sustaining heavy casualties.
well you forget that in that same episode you mention("paradise lost" DS9) the mobilized star fleet acadamy and in the episode "nor the battle to be strong"(DS9)they refer to the guys in black as "security" implying that they are in deed a seperate force and we see in the episode "The Survivors"(TNG) we see that federation citezens are quit willing to lay down there lives to defend there homes and we see in several episodes that the phaser posses far supirior destructive power then that possed by the blaster and in modern tactics heavy tank combat(ie at-ats)in a urban inviorment is suicide as the tiny infantry man can set so many traps and has so many places to hide that the tank is transformed from death machine to barly moving target however light tanks can move in an urban envirorment though still with extreem dangure and destroying the city make the infantry man even more dangurus and since ive alredy stated that theres some ships in orbit and an entire fleet nearby or in the system mechinized gound forces could engage the empires troops especaly since the federation would posses a advantige in numbers(remember stafleet acadamy, the ships in orbit, the fleet nearby and the avereg citizen who would probobly be isued arms) and we know that the vulcans at least maintain a well equipt security force("the gambit" TNG) and we know that the klingons have light mortars("nor the battle to be strong" DS9) and that the Federation has Photon Grenades(both in TOS and in the Doninion War) and it stands to reason the if the disrupter cannon on the Scorpion attack flyer is one: not much larger then a m60 and two: is on a rotating turret means that it is not unreasunable to assume that the Romulan Empire has a infantry Mouted Disrupter cannon whats more the federeration has numerus other industrial bases and goverment planets and the empire keeps curiscunt as its capital and they dont even bother to put orbital defensise when THERES A WAR ON but we see in the first battle of chintoka the cardasins have developed NEW orbital defencise and in "the way of the warrior" DS9 we hear that the klingons have set up orbital defencise on there newly conquerd worlds
now we know that the fleets of the respective empires are relitivly equal and we know that the klinons at least would help the federation and they have cloaks and whats more they are the undisputed masters in close combate and assaults and before you go vrying about the batleths we see in several episodes that the klingons have disrupter rifles
and in history the force with the most mobility won noe the won with the most speed or the one with the most troops and i might remind you that the empire is incapible of commiting the majority of there forces and that the empire hasent fought a major war in over 20 years that means that most of the combat vets in the empire are ether high in the military of dead and the treks have just gone through a quadrent wide war now in terms of the borge there adaptive tech should counter the blaster(though i dont know about the lightsaber) and there assimalating tech would replace any initail casualtys and since the blaster has only one setting the empire would be hard set to combat these drones
and you constintly grone and moan about the treks lack of heavy artillery other then ship in orbit yes your right in some sercumstanses the presonse of a ship wont help of the vast majority of the time it will and the shuttles that would carry the troops in there mobile carry phasers and if there supportid by fighters photon torpedos and thats artillery
you state that a simple EM field would scramble a transporter and a ships comunications but we dont know
1 the power output of said Em field so you dont know if you could produce a field that powerfull
2 if enhanced transporters woudent just go right through
and the pressence of "transporter scramblers" suggests that its a bit more complicated
so you see that a war between star wars and star trek would be very dificult for the empire to win(if even possible)
and remember that the federation has based many of its disigns on border patroll so you could have a
patroll fleet spred over the sector consisting of
4 mirandas
2 exselsiors
2 akiras
and a sector fleet of
2 galixys
4 exselsiors
4 akiras
8 mirandas
and there wings of fighter craft, shuttles and marines
this fleet could at least hold you fleet down unltill a reenforcing fleet arives and since you dont knoe the location of the sub-space relay stations you couldent destroy them and its foolish to think that with the dominion war there were no ships next to the CRUTIAL rellay networks other wise the dominion could just do what you said but it dident happen so its not a bad cunclustion that the rellay networks are guarded and we see taht a relitivly minor sience station has a base shield so at least around importent places on earth and vulcan and other major planets have shields and
what if the romulans have created some more "simitars"(a little less pointy but non the less deadly) to lead there fleets youd be in big truble to combat these "preditors" and supportid by valdors(the romulan ships in nemisis) and D'dedrix(TNG romulan warbird) they could go deep into your territory and luanch a "Dolitle raid" on your preduction centers look you think that with litle or no prior knolege the empire is going to win a war with star trek "by cristmas" where the dominion who controlls almost the entirity of the gamma quadrent couldent even with the help of a major power the non-agression with one of the big three(ie the romulans) and very long planing and the ability to infiltrate deep into the harts of the fedeartion and klingon empires with the carfull destruction of potential threats(ie the tal'shair and the obsidion order) and YEARS of preporation the breeding of gemhadar the building of vast fleets and first and formiost the carfull placements of those vast fleets on the weakest points in the alpha quadrent they still coundent win so its easy to see why i hold your somewhat illogical conclusians with extreem contempt
you parade armound the (gessed) ranges of the phaser rifle typ 3 but e never see the blaster go any farther in fact we never see the blaxster go AS far so quit it
you conclude with no apparent reasoning that the empires ship mounted weapons are more powerfull but it would take a thousend ships to taht kind of damgege says han solo(and acording to your own books he's ex-military) but for my guys it takes 30 ships 5 hours to pierce the planets mantal and granted half the fleet is made up with the most powerfull ships in the alpha quadrent(ie the romulan warbirds) still my ships are better and there are so many dicrapinsise in the star wars univers like for ecemple all planets in your galixy are m class where as in mine there are only a handfull are. Now one to the fleet tactics your fleet still broadsides its targets(and too the fan of yours whos said "oh so its stupid that a ship point most of its weapons at the enemy" ITS STUPID NOT TO HAVE THE WEAPONS ON TURRETS SO THAT THEY CAN POINT IN ANY DIRECTION OR AT LEAST HAVE WEAPONS FACING THE OTHER WAYS) where as my fleet has carfully orginised wings of heavy cruisers, galixys(i know a class of its own), destroyers, heavy destroyers,light crusers and fighter wings(and they are: different form the moque rader and do seat one person) and they show at least some consideration of the flanks of a fleet and the seem to have a grasp of 3D tactics while your ships are more likly to form a line and try to ram the enemy. And my ships are more manuveralbe and more diverse contaning the above mentioned ship typs while your fleet seems to have from the movie point of view only victory and imperial class star destroyers at least deployed in fleet action and from the books point of view it doesent get much better for a heavy destroyer/light cruiser the empire has a ship that proteces its crew and carrys a heavy armourment but has weak armour neer there powerplant and has no local fighter capibility and for a heavy cruiser your fleet has a ship that:
1 is crew costly 1500(and thats more then a galixy wich takes the stardestroyer part in my fleet)
2 is slow so slow that in fact the rebel alliance has taken to redisigning the hull intirly
3 carrys too few fighter for a craft of its size and position in the fleet
4 carrys to few weapons for its size and position in the fleet
and for a friget/light cruiser your fleet has a ship built to fight rebels(terrorests) not fight in fleet battles
and as for your fonted ground army
1 your heavy armour could be seen form, not just one but, several miliels away and could be taken out by the simple armourments of the shuttle craft of at least its fighter escort and they seem to have a problom seeing targets when there not running through a snow field and theres no action going on dawm i could take a commando team and with a HAND phaser i could sabotagh evry AT-AT in your assault fleet or at least move the vast majority of my army around you ploding AT-ATs and i wont even go into the AT-ST
in AoTC i thought there might be hope for starwars(The mobile operation on genossis was impresive as was the AT-ET and the republic gunship) but then in RoTS you go and swich from a perfectly good all terrain viehical to a giant weeled behemoth that would get stuke in evry mud hole on the way. your storm troopers i noticed dont carry many guns with shoulder stocks ether maby cous the shoulder stock wasent disigned with aming in mined that would be the sight its not uncomferabl to rais the typ3 phaser rifle to you eye level in fact its easer cous the you can do what ever suits you best and my guys where somthing of camo(youed be suprised just how well black fits in to most terrain typs) and the romulans have it even better you couldent even raid there bases cous there cloaked and you wouldent even be able to detect them at all couse the only times the feds ever detected the romulans was when the romulans where moving and since a base has the habit of staying still i think your pitifull forces would be hard pressed to do better.
ive just gone through rereading your emials GOD DAWM IT you sick sorry man you insult me without adressing any of the things i said i can take insulting but your not even insulting my EMAIL my uncal is a PHD! he built a computer all by himself he did all the things you did and more my great great grandfather was one of the ten richest men in the WORLD in fact in world war two the british sent a hole destroyer to pick him up before honcong was attacked and on my fathers side one of them was CHALEMAGN another was WILLIAM THE CONQUERER and another was knighted by FREDERICK THE GREAT himself i have studied military history for 7 fucking years i know more then any of my many "university-educated" famaly members you are a arrogent man you feel that you must be smart since you got a degree from some podunc colloedg and you say all these things like "im not smart enough and i shouldent do thinkgs i have no expertise in" well YOU RIGHT ABOUT MILITARY CAMPAINGS AND TACTICS AND YOU TALK ABOUT ADVANCED PHISICS LAST TIME I CHECKED ENGINEERING DIDENT NEED THOSE TO BUILD A SKYSCAPER and my tutore for math WAS A PHISICKS PHD!!!!!!!!! the lightsaber doesent work acording to phisics the light should just keep going and going and so should the energy unless you were using a artiphicial black hole to suck down the light but then you'd have some truble letting go of the saber or your using a plasma farient so that the energy disperses at a serten laengh but then your have to have massive holding tanks and other things so dont go talking like you actualy think or understand any of the technology in ehter starwars of startrek.
and as to boarding partys star trek has, at least, some canon on the subject and they present a much more advanced view your "empire" does not posses any tellaportaion divices and mine do we may have to lower our shields but that shouldent take more then a few nano-seconds to transport a marine squad or two(depending on how many transporter rooms the ship has) and these squads would proseded to a crucial system such as weapons and destroy them reducing your effectiveness and since standerd "imperial" doctrain is to have all troops in there barracks at the time of battle the systems would be relitivly unguardid. The empires version has much to do with capturing the ship thats difficult while its moving around. And you have forgaten the akira class federation ship it is a torpedo boat 15 luanchers and i carrier with 2 mian shuttle bays. And you forget the perrigren fighter you say it playd a role in only the battle for deep space 9 yet they are seen and at least heard of in evry major battle wich the diffiant plays a role in. star trek forces, wherther in space or on the ground, are more mobile faster more receptible to manuver and trooper for trooper ship for ship more powerfull. In star trek tactics on the ground a singal team takes the place of a platoon it carries alot of fire power if a shuttle is equipt for combat and carries a singal team that represents more firepower then an entire company of your troops as your transports leave the second the troops are off while mine would stay to lend fire support. In space my ships manuver in complex tactical formations yours go higaldy piggaldy off to engage in head on ship to ship combat in stead my ships would aid each other and help two ships are more likly to win then one on one. If we take from TPM(the phantom menice) your republic hasent fought a war in centruys only very few JEDI even remember a war most of the experianced officers in the begining seasons for any of the TNG-era shows fought in the cardassian border wars or engagad in the bolian wars mine are combat vets yours are pitifull green noobs who screwd up there first big battle, for those who have ELIQ, extreamly limited I.Q, the "battle" of hoth evry thing was in your favor and you lost it all YOU had a orbital blockade YOU had the most powerfull ships in you GALAXY YOU had the best ground troops, the best in evry concevible subject and all the rebels had was an ion cannon intrenchd infantry and some outdated artillery and they escaped and so well that they came back, no more then a year later, and killed the most heavaly guarded person in the galaxy, once again for those with ELIQ, the emperor.
In short the alpha quadrent is OVER QUALIFIED to beat you. You have no jedi, no vader, no emperor, no force, no advantige. in short no hope.
critisize my spelling but at least READ what i have to say and if you reply then why dont you say SOMTHING about my objections cause if you dont then ill KNOW that im right cause you have no response
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Think about what incredible isolation from reality this kid must have in order to convince himself that anyone outside his homeschool will think he's intelligent, based on writings like this.

He also previously said these gems via E-Mail:
Irrational does not mean incorrect or impractical reasoning, but the total absence of any reasoning
Apparently, bad logic is still logical :lol:. And he sent this too:
"university-educatid" oh my its not like i dont have GRADUATE SCHOOL parents and ive studind my subject for 7 YEARS making your four pathetic
That's right, it's the Appeal to Mommy and Daddy! And apparently, home-studying something for 7 years is superior to a university education! Well knock me down with a feather! :lol:
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You must get a kick out of this sort of thing Darth Wong. That guy is funny. In a funny kind of way. The fact he thinks he's right makes it even better.
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Jesus Cthulhu, it was virtually one long run-on sentence. After the first five inches of it my eyes started sliding off the page.
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I could just picture him frothing at the mouth as he typed that, getting more frenzied by the minute. :D
WAS A PHISICKS PHD!!!!!!!!!
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Did he just claim to be a decendant of Charlemagne and William the Conqueror?
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Argh. I haven't read that, because I think my eyes would bleed.

Mike, just looking at this shit makes my I.Q. drop a few points. How come you're unscathed?
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Oh my, what do we have here?

Looks like another wannabe. Serious, this stuff is simply hillarious! :lol:
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Wut is WRONG w/ u ppl? Cant u SEE that ST is teh UBER ova SW? "These trooths are self-efidint!" Wee don' nid 2 spel or mak paragrafs, or use "lojik", the TROOTH is there 4 al 2 c!!!1!! Mom! I need my meds right now!!!

Actually, I am really mocking GStone from the "Borg can come back from the dead thread" - I don't know what Ethan Westgate said, because I couldn't read more than a couple of sentences of that screed. In fact, I don't know if Ethan knows what Ethan said. Or if he even had a point to make to start with.

But the similarities in both cases to religious fundamentalists is all too clear. They all believe that their positions are axiomatic. No logic or argument is necessary, nor will it be tolerated. They condescend to explain it all to you only because they are stunned that you don't already "get" it.

For example, during the "guns vs. phasers" debate, I could almost hear GStone spluttering in disbelief that the topic even came up, and then recovering long enough to sneer something like "Phasers are better than Guns!! If you can't absorb this basic fact, then how do you remember to breathe?!?!?!?"
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Sir Sirius wrote:Did he just claim to be a decendant of Charlemagne and William the Conqueror?
Yes he did. Apparently, he figures that if he can't trick people into thinking he's smart by bragging about his parents, he can brag about being related to historical figures too. Yep, that will convince us :lol:
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Holy shit, I thought it was Stewart Jr. at tha Stratejic Dafense Instatute!

Jesus, I couldn't even finish reading it! Ok, so he doesn't grasp that there's an ENTIRE GALAXY worth of industrial power that can continue pumping resources into the Trekverse while having a negligible impact on the Warsverse infrastructure. Hell, it could be Palpy's weekend hobby!

It really has little impact what Trek weapons the UFP, Klingons and Romulans have given that none of the Trek empire have shown any reasonable knowledge of or desire to use worthwhile tactics. And that really applies to both ground and space combat.

Feh.

Good thing I read the "Idiot's Guide to Star Trek Phisicks Based on Irrelevant Lineages and Imaginary Friends".
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Sir Sirius wrote:Did he just claim to be a decendant of Charlemagne and William the Conqueror?
It would appear so. Geez, this delusional moron almost makes me ashamed of being homeschooled myself.
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That's simply horrendous. How did his parents not notice the kid can't write his way out of a wet paper bag?
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RedImperator wrote:That's simply horrendous. How did his parents not notice the kid can't write his way out of a wet paper bag?
Don't you remember? He has a spelling "promblom" and didn't learn to read until he was 7. And even though he's had 8 years or so to practice, reading comes first and then writing and then spelling. It's true because he said so!
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That was quite amusing, and his deplorable spelling and grammar made it all the better. And I've never heard a rapid Trekkie try to pull a "Cole Protocol" to save Earth from the Empire (say that the Empire could never find it) before. Simply amazing. :lol:
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I just noticed that he says he disagrees how fast hyperdrive is but doesn't bother writing any calculations that show that he's right. He just says he disagrees and moves on as though saying that makes it true.

I'm shocked. SHOCKED! That a rabid trekkie would try to refute something without calculations. What is this world coming to?

I may have typed that without any smilies but I couldn't do it with a straight face. I'm laughing my ass off right now.
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Some kid wrote:...my uncal is a PHD! he built a computer all by himself he did all the things you did and more my great great grandfather was one of the ten richest men in the WORLD in fact in world war two the british sent a hole destroyer to pick him up before honcong was attacked and on my fathers side one of them was CHALEMAGN another was WILLIAM THE CONQUERER and another was knighted by FREDERICK THE GREAT himself

I can´t imagine how exciting it must be for a lowly mortal to be yelled at by a member of royalty. You are one lucky man, Mr. Wong.
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I cant even read half of that cause it's all one run-on sentence it looks. Does he use paragraphs at all?
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I personally enjoy this little quote here.
Tard of the week wrote: and more my great great grandfather was one of the ten richest men in the WORLD in fact in world war two the british sent a hole destroyer to pick him up before honcong was attacked
Because as you must surely know, Mr. Wong, wealth and being "Picked up by a destroyer" trumps anything you can possibly have in terms of learning.
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Hole destroyer, ehhhhhhh?!?!?!? :shock:
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Old Plympto wrote:Hole destroyer, ehhhhhhh?!?!?!? :shock:
What a clever linguist, we think he meant "whole destroyer" however his far removed ancestor (who judging by the number of greats is also a veteran of the Crimean War) was actually picked up by a barge carrying dirt or concrete. See? A "hole destroyer"
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He seriously thought the Dolittle raid was anything more than a propoganda victory. Thats just fucking sad.

Of course, considering that he can take one example of a ground attack craft, two mentions of personal forcefields, and his own delusional belief that shuttlecraft are some sort of uber attack helicopter and conclude that Star Trek has better ground forces than Star Wars, when we see huge numbers of attack craft and armor in the movies, I shouldn't be surprised that he misinterpreted an event he only heard of on the History Channel.
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Old Plympto wrote:Hole destroyer, ehhhhhhh?!?!?!? :shock:
Must be the anal pr0n...
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Yeah, umm... I can't read that. The bad spelling and lack of anything minutely resembling proper grammar is giving me a headache.
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ROFL!!!

He says he studied military tactics, if he did he is the biggest dumbest box of rocks to every walk the planet. I personnally wouldnt let him guard a loaf of bread in the PX on a Marine Base.

He tries to compare apples to oranges and wonders why he gets applesauce when he cant find a rational idea.

Anyways, he claims hes related to William the Conquorer and Charlemagne......umm...not directly he aint. The funny part is there is not enough records to really be able to look that far back. I happen to know this cause I am into genealogy. My point is this, the farthest back most people can go is around 1600, before 1600 its extremely difficult and you can not find proof of anything really, only hints. And if buddy boy there wants to debate this, let him, I can promise i got more time and professional abilities on my side that he possibly can concieve.
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Tardy MacTarded wrote:"university-educatid" oh my its not like i dont have GRADUATE SCHOOL parents and ive studind my subject for 7 YEARS making your four pathetic
And who can argue with that?

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