Im loving those creationists

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-07-22 03:48pm

n “Rocks Around the Clock: The Eons That Never Were,” Geologist Dr. Emil Silvestru rejectedmthe notion that the earth had existed for millions of years, and instead offered a six thousand year chronology: Creation, six days, Lost World, 1700 years, no big mountains, no plate tectonics, Flood, 370 days, creation of high mountains, deep oceans, sedimentary rocks, plate tectonics form continents, Ice Age, 1000 years, and Post Ice Age, 3000 years.

Flood hydrology is a belief that the flood covered the entire earth.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-07-22 03:59pm

How do these people get far enough through college to recieve the title "Dr."?

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2005-07-22 04:01pm

wolveraptor wrote:How do these people get far enough through college to recieve the title "Dr."?

My guess is either a Ph.D in Theology and/or the magical Creationist Degree Mill they seem to have running [Oral Roberts and similar?].

A Big Flying Fish · Post by **A Big Flying Fish** » 2005-07-22 04:06pm

wolveraptor wrote:How do these people get far enough through college to recieve the title "Dr."?

Well, going by this quote from him, "Once I became a Christian," Emil says, "I knew I had to TUNE UP my scientific knowledge with the Scriptures." He seems to have just gone plain nuts.

Especially when you consider his PhD was in cave formation (Karst topography, it is cave formation/structure right?), and that general area.

Rahvin · Post by **Rahvin** » 2005-07-22 04:11pm

"Protecting the hypothesis."

That's all they ever do. They have their conclusion all laid out for them in the Bible, so they just come up with some moronic, twisted scenario that would mostly match known evidence and "prove" their hypothesis. When additional evidence disproves their scenario, they either twist it farther to account for the new facts, or come up with a NEW twisted scenario.

Or just ignore reality and say it was all just a miracle beyond our understanding

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-07-22 06:29pm

So despite his degree, he still fell for fundie bullshit? I thought education vaccinated you against such stupidity.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-07-22 06:44pm

wolveraptor wrote:So despite his degree, he still fell for fundie bullshit? I thought education vaccinated you against such stupidity.

It could be that he was a fundie before he earned the degree, and simply used the degree to help attempt to lend some form of credence to his bullshit.

Rahvin · Post by **Rahvin** » 2005-07-22 06:47pm

Religious indoctrination and brainwashing can sometimes trump reason, logic and education in the weak-minded.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-07-22 07:01pm

wolveraptor wrote:So despite his degree, he still fell for fundie bullshit? I thought education vaccinated you against such stupidity.

To quote Michael Shermer (editor of Skeptic magazine), "Smart people are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons."

Smart people aren't immune to stupidity, and when they fall victim to stupidity it is harder for them to break from it because they are better at rationalizing.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2005-07-22 08:12pm

This just proves the truth of a statement I read just recently:

“Ideology acts as a mental straitjacket. It prevents adherents from seeing reality, encourages zealotry, and justifies dishonesty. It makes smart people stupid.” – Daniel J. Flynn

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-07-23 04:06am

General Zod wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:So despite his degree, he still fell for fundie bullshit? I thought education vaccinated you against such stupidity.
It could be that he was a fundie before he earned the degree, and simply used the degree to help attempt to lend some form of credence to his bullshit.

But if he was previously a fundie, he couldn't have gotten the degree at any self-respecting university, especially if his thesis was on something as idiotic as this.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2005-07-23 04:15am

wolveraptor wrote:
General Zod wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:So despite his degree, he still fell for fundie bullshit? I thought education vaccinated you against such stupidity.
It could be that he was a fundie before he earned the degree, and simply used the degree to help attempt to lend some form of credence to his bullshit.
But if he was previously a fundie, he couldn't have gotten the degree at any self-respecting university, especially if his thesis was on something as idiotic as this.

Sure he could. He simply told them what they wanted to hear, voila, one degree. Getting a degree is not the same as beleiving in what your degree is in.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-07-23 09:45am

wolveraptor wrote:
General Zod wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:So despite his degree, he still fell for fundie bullshit? I thought education vaccinated you against such stupidity.
It could be that he was a fundie before he earned the degree, and simply used the degree to help attempt to lend some form of credence to his bullshit.
But if he was previously a fundie, he couldn't have gotten the degree at any self-respecting university, especially if his thesis was on something as idiotic as this.

He recieved his degree from the Babes-Bolyai University in Cluj, Romania: +http://www.answersingenesis.org/events/ ... aker_ID=22 I don't know if the standards there are comparable to Western standards. However, some people aren't that interested in particulars, any appeal to authority is wanted.

nickolay1 · Post by **nickolay1** » 2005-07-23 12:42pm

In a conversation with a Romanian (a strict fundie as well, who would have thought?) not long ago, it was disclosed to me that Romanian university degrees are not up to Western standards.

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2005-07-23 05:14pm

wolveraptor wrote:How do these people get far enough through college to recieve the title "Dr."?

Actually, it turns out that some guy got his cat a PhD

Da link-

http://users.snip.net/~drsteve/Articles/Dr_Zoe.htm

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-07-23 05:57pm

Sure he could. He simply told them what they wanted to hear, voila, one degree. Getting a degree is not the same as beleiving in what your degree is in

He immersed himself in a subject that disagreed with his core beliefs, yet kept his mouth shut and gave them bullshit for years and years? It takes a helluva lot of determination, and an extraordinarily deep motive to endure that. I could never get a degree in art, or whatever, by just telling them what they wanted to here.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2005-07-24 12:44am

wolveraptor wrote:
Sure he could. He simply told them what they wanted to hear, voila, one degree. Getting a degree is not the same as beleiving in what your degree is in
He immersed himself in a subject that disagreed with his core beliefs, yet kept his mouth shut and gave them bullshit for years and years? It takes a helluva lot of determination, and an extraordinarily deep motive to endure that. I could never get a degree in art, or whatever, by just telling them what they wanted to here.

Ahh, but you and I are probably not faithfull enough

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2005-07-24 01:11am

wolveraptor wrote:
Sure he could. He simply told them what they wanted to hear, voila, one degree. Getting a degree is not the same as beleiving in what your degree is in
He immersed himself in a subject that disagreed with his core beliefs, yet kept his mouth shut and gave them bullshit for years and years? It takes a helluva lot of determination, and an extraordinarily deep motive to endure that. I could never get a degree in art, or whatever, by just telling them what they wanted to here.

In English I wrote in my essays what I thought my teachers wanted to hear. Granted it didn't go against my "core beliefs", but I belief I can do that too.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-07-24 07:02pm

I quite cheerfully write papers in english I disagree with. The last one I wrote was a 12 page monologue on why humanity sucks. I dont believe it, but the teacher does, and I want the grade.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-07-24 08:01pm

What I meant was that it'd be difficult to put yourself through a full-fledged college course in a subject you weren't even interested in.

Besides, writing on why humanity sucks is easy. All you have to do is go all Maddox.

Rocker5150 · Post by **Rocker5150** » 2005-07-25 01:43am

So when this guy flips by the Science channel, does he complain about how the left-wing television has shows that brainwash the public? I'd really like to go with someone like this to the Smithsonian. My Christian friend makes some pretty wild claims, and I've suggested we go down to D.C. and check out the museums. I tell him that his beliefs would basically have him saying: "thats not true!" to just about every exhibit in the place.....the argument always ends right there!

-Kevin

Thinkmarble · Post by **Thinkmarble** » 2005-07-25 09:33am

He might just have went off the rocker long after he got his degree.
It happens.

felineki · Post by **felineki** » 2005-07-25 11:26am

wilfulton wrote:Actually, it turns out that some guy got his cat a PhD

Da link-

http://users.snip.net/~drsteve/Articles/Dr_Zoe.htm

Good to see that affirmative action is working.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-07-25 03:11pm

I don't seem to recall them mentioning WHERE the idiot got his degree. Perhaps the same mail order service house that Kent Hovind got his?

Click on the "well everything" at the top of the page to find the following gems.

The six-day conference opened with a performance by Buddy Davis - a Dinosaur sculptor, author/speaker, and musician, whose keynote presentations clarified the creationist's take on issues such as the age of the earth and fossils.

Yep, their opening guy has NO science background, nothing but ART related areas.

Dinosaurs were also explained. According to John Whitcomb, co-author of the seminal creationist book, The Genesis Flood (1961), Noah's ark carried 1,000 different kinds of dinosaurs as well as all of the other species, and the book has sold more than a quarter of a million copies in English.

Considered the father of modern creationism, Whitcomb is critical of those who accept progressive creationism or intelligent design.

The intelligent design movement tries to defeat evolution without any reference to the Bible or the Creator of the World, he said.

You know anyone who attacks ID from the creationist side of the debate because it isn't Biblical enough is a full blown Fundi moron.

"Are people believing in Christ their Lord and Savior as a result of hearing the message of intelligent design scholars?" he asked.

OoooooK. Just WHAT does creationism have to do with Christian salvation?

Ken Ham, president of AiG, rejects the Big Bang because Genesis explains God created the waters and Earth on the third day, and the sun, moon and stars on the fourth day.

And light was supposedly created befroe any of those things. Without the stars, where did the light come from? Angles?

In his talk "What's the Best Evidence that God Created," Carl Kerby said, "You should allow the Word of God to drive your understanding of the evidence."

IOW, ignore all evidence that contradicts the Bible.

According to one assessment, at the root of the creationist argument is the concern that evolution undermines moral beliefs, leading to lawlessness, family breakdown, homosexuality, pornography, and abortion.

...and the color cyan (if I may be permitted to quote one of Darth Wong's sig banners.

I'd really like to see HOW evolution promiotes these things since homosexuality is essentially an evolutionary dead end.

If evolution is true, said Philip Bell in his talk, and we are descended from ape-like animals with no morality, no aesthetic sensibility and no soul," then "you would have no purpose for your existence."

Where does he get the idea that apes have no morality? I've seen apes that are more humane than a lot of his Cristian Fundies.

"If we don't understand the young earth and how God created it in six 24-hour days, then our values are skewed, said the Reverend Jerry Falwell, and he is hopeful that "The biblical account is the believable one. The creation debate is being won."

Well, it IS Fallwell, what do you expect.

But I must ask again, HOW does believing in creationism give you values?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-07-25 03:58pm

inosaurs were also explained. According to John Whitcomb, co-author of the seminal creationist book, The Genesis Flood (1961), Noah's ark carried 1,000 different kinds of dinosaurs as well as all of the other species, and the book has sold more than a quarter of a million copies in English.

With so many kinds of DINOSAURS alone, imagine how many animals you have to fit on the Ark... not like it's possible to have that many dinosaurs in that small a space.