Dark Trooper vs. Space Marine(40k)
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Dark Trooper vs. Space Marine(40k)
Well? One Dark Trooper, mark III versus a vanilla type Space Marine?
They are both transported into a battlefield, pretty open with hills of wreckage and skulls and shit, like in Terminator and are told to kill each other for the glory of the Emperor.
Info on the Dark Trooper:
The Dark trooper has limited use of the dark side, it has an advanced sensor system and it can also fly.
Their exo-skeletal armor provides them with enormous physical strenght also.
Their armament includes heavy blasters, wich is most likely in the tens of MJ range and they have missile launchers and they can fire some kind of weapon from their chest, it might be some kind of flamer, firing balls of napalm-like material or something.
Here's a Dark Trooper(I've been told it's a Mk. II, but from game screenshots it looks like a Mk. III):
And here we can see the sizes of the Dark Troopers relative to a C3 Droid:
Info on the Space Marine:
"The Space Marines - Created in the distant past through genetic manipulation and arcane science, Space Marines are Humanity's ultimate warriors, dedicated to the defense of the Emperor and the Imperium of Man. A Space Marine army is a compact force of elite warriors each one the equivalent of ten normal men. From the steadfast reliability of a Space Marine Tactical Squad to the alien-blasting power of the Predator Annihilator Tank, a Space Marine Army is flexible enough to defeat any opponent."
They got Bolters and Powerswords and plasma guns, it depends really, I dunno what a vanilla Space Marine would have.
Space marines are pretty big, 8feet tall IIRC.
This one is linked, rather large(and a really old one too, 1st edition I am told):
http://hisshadow.123hostnow.com/misc/im ... mer40k.jpg
OK, so now you ought to have some basic info on both of these guys, well, the info on the space marines weapons is lacking really, I didn't find much info on him, hopefully someone will complete that gap.
They are both transported into a battlefield, pretty open with hills of wreckage and skulls and shit, like in Terminator and are told to kill each other for the glory of the Emperor.
Info on the Dark Trooper:
The Dark trooper has limited use of the dark side, it has an advanced sensor system and it can also fly.
Their exo-skeletal armor provides them with enormous physical strenght also.
Their armament includes heavy blasters, wich is most likely in the tens of MJ range and they have missile launchers and they can fire some kind of weapon from their chest, it might be some kind of flamer, firing balls of napalm-like material or something.
Here's a Dark Trooper(I've been told it's a Mk. II, but from game screenshots it looks like a Mk. III):
And here we can see the sizes of the Dark Troopers relative to a C3 Droid:
Info on the Space Marine:
"The Space Marines - Created in the distant past through genetic manipulation and arcane science, Space Marines are Humanity's ultimate warriors, dedicated to the defense of the Emperor and the Imperium of Man. A Space Marine army is a compact force of elite warriors each one the equivalent of ten normal men. From the steadfast reliability of a Space Marine Tactical Squad to the alien-blasting power of the Predator Annihilator Tank, a Space Marine Army is flexible enough to defeat any opponent."
They got Bolters and Powerswords and plasma guns, it depends really, I dunno what a vanilla Space Marine would have.
Space marines are pretty big, 8feet tall IIRC.
This one is linked, rather large(and a really old one too, 1st edition I am told):
http://hisshadow.123hostnow.com/misc/im ... mer40k.jpg
OK, so now you ought to have some basic info on both of these guys, well, the info on the space marines weapons is lacking really, I didn't find much info on him, hopefully someone will complete that gap.
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Dark Troopers are ROBOTS HDS. They CAN'T use the Dark Side!
What they can do is fly around with a big ass plasma cannon and missile launcher.
So the DT would win. Melee weapons are nothign when the DT doesn't let you get in range, and the bolter, while a respectable weapon, is completely outclassed by the assault cannon.
What they can do is fly around with a big ass plasma cannon and missile launcher.
So the DT would win. Melee weapons are nothign when the DT doesn't let you get in range, and the bolter, while a respectable weapon, is completely outclassed by the assault cannon.
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I find your lack of faith disturbing.Dark Troopers are ROBOTS HDS. They CAN'T use the Dark Side!
What they can do is fly around with a big ass plasma cannon and missile launcher.
So the DT would win. Melee weapons are nothign when the DT doesn't let you get in range, and the bolter, while a respectable weapon, is completely outclassed by the assault cannon.
The main part of the Dark Trooper project was actually to include force-using capabilities into a non-living subject, like a droid.
This project was continued in Jedi Knight II, it was about transforming normal humans into weak Dark Side Jedi.
So yes, Dark Troopers are force users.
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Those are *Shadow Troopers.*Cpt_Frank wrote:I find your lack of faith disturbing.Dark Troopers are ROBOTS HDS. They CAN'T use the Dark Side!
What they can do is fly around with a big ass plasma cannon and missile launcher.
So the DT would win. Melee weapons are nothign when the DT doesn't let you get in range, and the bolter, while a respectable weapon, is completely outclassed by the assault cannon.
The main part of the Dark Trooper project was actually to include force-using capabilities into a non-living subject, like a droid.
This project was continued in Jedi Knight II, it was about transforming normal humans into weak Dark Side Jedi.
So yes, Dark Troopers are force users.
THose are completely different. Shadow Troopers use the power of the Valley of the Jedi to imbue a normie with Force Powers. Their armor is also Cortosis-impreganted so it can be lightsaber resistant and allows them to cloak.
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Gah, no edit. So Shadow Troopers are essentially artificial Jedi, while Dark Troopers are cybernetic super soldiers.
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Dark Troopers mk. II are droids, the Mk. III is a power armor suit that can function on it's own without a user inside, but a Dark Trooper means the Mk. III suit + the elite stormie with dark side powers.Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Dark Troopers are ROBOTS HDS. They CAN'T use the Dark Side!
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The Emperor is a weakling. A barely living corpse that can leave the Golden toilet. If he is not destroyed by the forces of Chaos, The Necrons will finish him off. The Dragon will awaken, and without Mars and the Adeptus Mechanicus left in pieces, the Imperium will be finished.DocHorror wrote:That may be so, but I still think the Space Marine woul win...
I have blind faith in the Emperor
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Not really, Dark Troopers(Mk. III) are Power Armor suits that can function on their own, like a battledroid, but they can also house a user, which would be an elite stormtrooper with limited dark side knowledge.Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Gah, no edit. So Shadow Troopers are essentially artificial Jedi, while Dark Troopers are cybernetic super soldiers.
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HERETIC!!!The Emperor is a weakling. A barely living corpse that can leave the Golden toilet. If he is not destroyed by the forces of Chaos, The Necrons will finish him off. The Dragon will awaken, and without Mars and the Adeptus Mechanicus left in pieces, the Imperium will be finished.
The Imperium will never fall, as long as men like Doc Horror and me are there, to protect it with their very lives!!!
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Oh shut up.Grand Admiral Ancaris wrote:The Emperor is a weakling. A barely living corpse that can leave the Golden toilet. If he is not destroyed by the forces of Chaos, The Necrons will finish him off. The Dragon will awaken, and without Mars and the Adeptus Mechanicus left in pieces, the Imperium will be finished.DocHorror wrote:That may be so, but I still think the Space Marine woul win...
I have blind faith in the Emperor
And HDS, Dark Trooper Mk II is 3m tall. DT MK III is 3.5m tall with space for a human inside. The suit is NOT inherently Dark Side enabled, but if you put a Shdow Trooper inside, then it could be. I just want to clarify that point. And it doesn't change the fact that a DT would still 0wnz an SM.
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Indeed...The Emperor is a weakling. A barely living corpse that can leave the Golden toilet. If he is not destroyed by the forces of Chaos, The Necrons will finish him off. The Dragon will awaken, and without Mars and the Adeptus Mechanicus left in pieces, the Imperium will be finished.
HERETIC!!!
The Imperium will never fall, as long as men like Doc Horror and me are there, to protect it with their very lives!!!
There has to be some kind of defense against the forces of Chaos and their foul taint!
I'm tired of hearing this ridiculous fallacy
DARK TROOPERS ARE NOT ROBOTS!!!!!!
The Phase III Dark Trooper is HUMAN. You fight GENERAL MOHC at the end of the original Dark Forces.
Geez some wierd ideas start to formulate!
DARK TROOPERS ARE NOT ROBOTS!!!!!!
The Phase III Dark Trooper is HUMAN. You fight GENERAL MOHC at the end of the original Dark Forces.
Geez some wierd ideas start to formulate!
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Suuuuure it will.Cpt_Frank wrote:HERETIC!!!
The Imperium will never fall, as long as men like Doc Horror and me are there, to protect it with their very lives!!!
The Imperium will fall. It barely understands it's own technology, the government is corrupt and decrepid, the Emperor is a weakling who cannot even leave his palace. You have enemies on all sides, and an even greater threat growing like a malignant cancer within the Imperium itself. It is only amatter of time before the Imperium collapses on itself, and Chaos inherits the galaxy. Or the Star Gods will seal off the Warp from the material universe, then the Imperium is REALLY screwed. No FTL travel or astropathic communication. No psychic powers. The Imperium will be nothing but feeding grounds for the C'Tan.
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The History of Dark Troopers:
Phase 1: Prototype. Utterly feeble, limited to hand to hand. Basically an exoskeleton
Phase 2: Starting to look like a Dark Trooper. I know of no evidence that ever said the Dark Trooper Phase 2 was a droid, but I don't have all the EU stuff.
Phase 3: Not a Droid. Humans inside.
STAR WARS: Rebellion first said that Dark Troopers have some very modest Dark side ability.
And they have:
NOTHING TO DO WITH SHADOW TROOPERS
There's absolutely no connection.
Phase 1: Prototype. Utterly feeble, limited to hand to hand. Basically an exoskeleton
Phase 2: Starting to look like a Dark Trooper. I know of no evidence that ever said the Dark Trooper Phase 2 was a droid, but I don't have all the EU stuff.
Phase 3: Not a Droid. Humans inside.
STAR WARS: Rebellion first said that Dark Troopers have some very modest Dark side ability.
And they have:
NOTHING TO DO WITH SHADOW TROOPERS
There's absolutely no connection.
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[quote="Evil Sadistic Bastard"]Oh shut up.
Concession Accepted.
Concession Accepted.
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Oh, and now for the topic:
The Dark Trooper is more mobile (can fly) and has heavy firepower- a gatling plasma ball type cannon and rocket launchers mounted in the shoulder pauldrons. Space Marine is DEAD.
The Dark Trooper is more mobile (can fly) and has heavy firepower- a gatling plasma ball type cannon and rocket launchers mounted in the shoulder pauldrons. Space Marine is DEAD.
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Technically, Phase IIIVympel wrote:I'm tired of hearing this ridiculous fallacy
DARK TROOPERS ARE NOT ROBOTS!!!!!!
The Phase III Dark Trooper is HUMAN. You fight GENERAL MOHC at the end of the original Dark Forces.
Geez some wierd ideas start to formulate!
Dark Troopers ARE robotic power suits. And Mohc is inside the suit.
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Go fuck yourself Ancaris.Grand Admiral Ancaris wrote:Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Oh shut up.
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