More delusional ramblings from HomeSchoolBoy

[Solauren]

He's study the subject for 7 years?

Tell him looking at books on the shelf is not the grounds for a education.

[ds615]

I love this guy!
"My uncal has a PHD and built a computer all by himself!"
"My grandfather was one of the richest men in the world!"
"picked up by a hole destroyer!"

I got tears running down my face. Ah, good times. You just can't make this stuff up.

I really love how his rant gets more and more unravled as it goes on.

Are you going to answer him? I hope so, I'm looking forward to what he replies.

[wilfulton]

I CUN'T SPELLL BE-CUSS I M UH REE-TARD


At least he spelled "I" right.

[Duckie]

Related to Charlemagne? Royal inbreeding appears to have reached epidemic level.

Incidentally, reading several sentences from that E-Mail melted the skin off my face and made my eyes dribble down my cheeks, which even the Timecube never accomplished.

[LapsedPacifist]

it stands to reason taht 200 years later the same could be done

I couldn't read past there. No. No it doesn't. You can forget a lot of lessons in 200 years.

LP

[wilfulton]

I seem to have posted without having all my facts straight. While technically, he did spell "I" right, he forgot to capitalize, which makes wrong.

In regards to his arguments, that flying sack of shit is starting to sound better all the time.

[Drooling Iguana]

Argh. I haven't read that, because I think my eyes would bleed.

Mike, just looking at this shit makes my I.Q. drop a few points. How come you're unscathed?

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.

Apparently the ability to read incoherant babble without one's head exploding is among them.

[Jay]

Holy Crap! My IQ just dropped by like fifty points! I felt that this young gentleman was avoiding the flamefest he deserved, simply because you guys couldn't understand a blessed word he was saying. So I ook it upon myself to translate his infantile ramblings into something that resembled English. Roast him one for me!

~Snip~ please don't quote entire posts when you are not referring to something specific in them, especially when they are this long.~Son of the Suns

[SOTS, please read things BEFORE deleting them, so I don't have to restore them from backup- Darth Wong]

In the movie Star Trek 5, when James Kirk leads a rescue of the representatives of the major powers in the alpha quadrant, we see him use shuttle craft to land a well equipped attack force. Thus it stands to reason that 80 years later the same could be done. If so we can make a connection between 20th century air mobile (Guys riding in helicopters, for instance, jumping out and taking an objective. Such as during Vietnam) and 24th century shuttle mobile. We see in several episodes; most notably the "Valiant"(DS9 the beginning when Nog and Jake come under attack by the Jem'hadar) that the shuttles are at least armed and capable of supporting infantry. Further more in the episode "paradise lost"(DS9) we find out that the federation possesses "personal force fields" and we see how these might work in the episode "A Fistful of Data's"(TNG) Most Borg also demonstrate this personal shielding. In Nemesis we see that the Romulans have attack flyers that would probably fulfil the same role as modern day attack helicopters (see Apache helicopter) and from Picards evident non-surprise at such a craft me may assume that the federation also posses a similar craft or at least is familiar with their use. Thus it is not unreasonable to assume that
1: The Star Trek universe posses a mobile force whether its Starfleet marines("nor the battle to be strong" DS9)or Klingon shock troops("the warrior" pt 1 and 2 DS9)or entire Romulan legions("the defector" TNG) mounted in shuttles
2: We may assume that the troops not equipped with personal force field generators represent the light infantry end of the spectrum, whilst those troops who are equipped with personal force-fields represent the heavy infantry in the spectrum. (In my opinion the force field generator is bulky and expensive meaning that only a small percentage of troops would get these powerful units)
3: the transporters would mean that star trek troops play the role of paratrooper and air mobile. While this means that the over all tactics able to be used by the star trek commanders is more limited it does not meant that the star trek troops are any less deadly then there star wars counterparts
in your War Campaign page you state the following

an insignificant diversion of 100 Star Destroyers from existing sector fleets would be more than adequate

and then go even farther by stating:

Redeploy the ships from phase 2 into a mobile marauder force, still composed of the same 50 capital ships and their attached fighter group of 3600 ships (remember that with long-range communications cut, the Federation has no way of knowing that these ships are not still besieging their remote colonies, and phase 2 was only a diversion anyway). Use this marauder force to move through enemy territory and attack critical strategic installations in force. The Federation's enemies have historically attacked in piecemeal fashion, with small-scale attacks on outlying installations such as DS9, or harmless "Doolittle" attacks upon important installations (such as the symbolic but ineffective Breen attack on Federation HQ). This is partially due to the weak propulsion technology of their enemies: the Federation can usually detect inbound attackers in time to intercept them en route to a deep target. However, their ships are far too slow to intercept our forces en route, even if they can detect them. Therefore, we will use our superior mobility to conduct hit and run attacks upon the following, in order:

Their military leadership: Destroy Starfleet HQ and its immediate surroundings with orbital bombardment.

Logistical support facilities: Destroy starbases, antimatter supply depots, and starship refuelling facilities.

Industrial facilities: Destroy shipyards, manufacturing facilities, material refineries, and critical mining colonies

well first off I thought that the Doolittle raid helped win the war and I believe most historians agree since ALL of the members of the Doolittle raid were given the medal of honour (the most given at one time in history).
I believe that the Breen attack on Starfleet command was very effective because it rendered the federation incapable of repairing and launching new ships from there Utopia Planitia yards.

Secondly, since the dominion war the 3rd fleet has always stayed near the sol system, and since the end of the Dominion War many starships are in the sol system undergoing refits, repairs and crew leave meaning that all of theses star ships(I’m guessing around 12 star ships at any given moment) and the 3rd fleet (around 100 starships manned by combat vets) would severely out number your fleet. Also your fleet doesn’t know two very important things:
1: The location of Earth
2: The location of celestial phenomena; meaning that they would have to stop off at every system in order to extrapolate their position: otherwise they could run in to a super nova or a star or a planet thus severely limiting their speed. (also I disagree about how fast the hyperdrive really is)
and then you go on to state:

The Federation has seen fit to concentrate virtually its entire military into its Starfleet. Even its ground troops (as seen in Siege of AR-588) are part of Starfleet rather than a separate branch of its military. Most planets (even Earth, its capital) are completely demilitarized, and any troop deployments would come from orbiting starships (as seen in “Paradise Lost”). Its ground forces are pitifully inadequate to resist full scale invasions, and there seem to be no standing armies or militias of any kind. Given our tactical superiority in infantry armament and equipment, mobile armour (including war droids), and artillery, it should be quite easy to conquer key systems such as Earth and Vulcan (in which the bulk of their government and military/industrial/scientific resources seems to reside) through conventional invasion, without sustaining heavy casualties.

well you forget that in that same episode you mention ("paradise lost" DS9) they mobilized the star fleet academy and in the episode "nor the battle to be strong"(DS9)they refer to the guys in black as "security" implying that they are indeed a separate force. We also see in the episode "The Survivors"(TNG) that federation citizens are quit willing to lay down there lives to defend there homes.

In several episodes we see quite plainly that the Phaser posses far superior destructive power then that of the blaster and in modern tactics heavy tank combat (i.e. AT-AT’s) in a urban environment is suicide as the tiny infantry man can set so many traps and has so many places to hide that the tank is transformed from death machine to a barely moving target. Light tanks, however, can move in an urban environment whilst remaining extremely dangerous and destroying the city make the infantry man even more dangerous.

As I have already stated there are ships in orbit, and an entire fleet nearby or at least in the system. Mechanized ground forces could engage the empires troops, especially since the federation would posses a advantage in numbers (remember Starfleet academy, the ships in orbit, the fleet nearby and the average citizen who would probably be issued with arms). We also know that the Vulcan’s at least maintain a well equipped security force ("the gambit" TNG) and we know that the Klingons have light mortar ("nor the battle to be strong" DS9) and that the Federation has Photon Grenades (both in TOS and in the Dominion War)

Further more it stands to reason the if the disrupter cannon on the Scorpion attack flyer is:
1. Not much larger then a M60 and
2. Is on a rotating turret means that it is not unreasonable to assume that the Romulan Empire has a infantry Mounted Disrupter cannon.

Furthermore, the Federation has numerous other industrial bases and government planets whilst the empire keeps Coruscant as its only capital planet. A capital planet which they don’t even bother defending when THERES A WAR ON! However we see in the first battle of Chintoka that the Cardassians have developed NEW orbital defences and in "the way of the warrior" DS9 we hear that the Klingons have set up orbital defences on their newly conquered worlds

Now, we know that the fleets of the respective Empires are relatively equal and we know that the Klingons at least would help the federation and they have cloaking capabilities. Furthermore they are the undisputed masters in close combat. As an aside, before you start crying about the ineffectiveness of the batleths, we see in several episodes that the Klingons carry disrupter pistols as well as close combat weapons.

Historically, the force with the most mobility is often the victor; the force with the most speed and the one with the most troops. Might I remind you that the empire is incapable of committing the majority of its forces and that the empire hasn’t fought a major war in over 20 years. That means that most of the combat vets in the Empire are either high ranking military officers, or are long dead. The Federation on the other hand has just gone through a quadrant wide war. Meaning that Federation will have a tactical advantage, knowing exactly how to fight a real war.

In terms of the Borg, their adaptive tech should counter the blaster (although I don’t know about the lightsaber) and coupled with their assimilation technology, the Empire would find it difficult to effectively combat these drones

You constantly groan and moan about the Federations lack of heavy artillery other then ship in orbit. Yes, you’re right; in some circumstances the presence of an orbiting star-ship won’t help, although I believe that more often than not, it will: The shuttles that carry the troops would be armed with Phasers and if there are any fighters in support, there will be photon torpedoes as well. That’s artillery!

You state that a simple EM field would scramble transporters and a ships communications, but we simply do not know:
1. The power output of the aforementioned EM field generator, thus we cannot know if you are capable og produce a field that powerful.
2. That transporters cannot simply pass straight through simple EM interference. The very existence of "transporter scramblers" suggests that this is the case.

Thus you see that a war between the Empire and the Federation would be very difficult for the Empire to win (if at all.)
Remember that the federation has based many of its designs on border patrol so as to have a patrol fleet spread out all over the sector, consisting of
4 Miranda Class
2 Excelsior Class
2 Akira Class
and a sector fleet of
2 Galaxy Class
4 Excelsior Class
4 Akira Class
8 Miranda Class
and their wings of fighter craft, shuttles and marines.
This fleet could at least hold the Imperials at bay reinforcements arrive.

Since you don’t know the location of the sub-space relay stations you couldn’t destroy them all. Furthermore it is foolish to think that after the dominion war there were no ships next to these CRUTIAL relay networks. Since the Dominion were unable to severe the Federation’s subspace network, it is reasonable to assume that the relay stations are heavily guarded. We see that a relatively minor science station has a base shield so it is reasonable to conclude that the Federation protects it vital installations at least as well and presumably more so.

What if the Romulans have created some more "Scimitars to lead their fleets? You’d be in big trouble then! These "predators" are supported by Valdors(the newer Romulan ships we see in Nemesis) and D'dedrix (TNG Romulan War-bird) they could go deep into your territory and launch a "Doolittle raid" on your production centres.

You seem to think that with little or no prior knowledge, the Empire is going to win a war against the Federation "by Christmas," whereas the dominion, who controls almost the entirety of the gamma quadrant couldn’t even manage it with the help of the Cardassians, (another major power), a non-aggression pact with the Romulans, a very long plan and the ability to infiltrate deep into the hearts of the Fedeartion and Klingon empire.
With the carful destruction of potential threats (i.e. the tal'shair and the obsidian order) and YEARS of preparation and yet they still could not win, so its easy to see why I hold your somewhat illogical conclusions in extreme contempt/

You parade around the estimated ranges of the Phaser III but we never see the blaster go any farther. In fact we never see the blaster go AS far, so quit it!

You conclude with no apparent reasoning that the Empires ship mounted weapons are more powerful than those of the Federation. Han Solo, an ex-military officer states that it would take a thousand starships to utterly destroy a planet ,yet in ‘The Die is Cast’ (DS9) we see the Romulan / Cardassian alliance consisting of only 30 ships pierce a planets mantel in only five hours!

There are so many discrepancies in the star wars universe, for example all planets in your galaxy are earth-like, where as only a handful of planets in the Milky Way are M-class.

Now on to the fleet tactics. Your fleet still broadsides its targets (and to the fan of yours who have said "oh so its stupid that a ship point most of its weapons at the enemy" ITS STUPID NOT TO HAVE THE WEAPONS ON TURRETS SO THAT THEY CAN POINT IN ANY DIRECTION OR AT LEAST HAVE WEAPONS FACING THE OTHER WAYS) where as my fleet has carefully organised wings of heavy cruisers, Galaxies, destroyers, heavy destroyers, light cruisers and fighter wings (Which are different from the Marquis Raider, seating only one person) and they show at least some understanding of flanking manoeuvres. The Federation Starfleet also seem to have a grasp of 3D tactics, whilst your ships are more likely to form a line and try to ram the enemy. federation ships are also more manoeuvrable and more diverse, whilst the Imperial fleet seems to have (from the point of view of the movies at least) only the Victory and the Imperial class star destroyers. If we include the Expanded Universe, it doesn’t get much better, for a heavy destroyer/light cruiser the empire has a ship that protects its crew and carries a heavy armament but has weak armour near there power plant and has no local fighter capability. For a heavy cruiser the imperial fleet has a ship that:
A: is crew costly 1500
B: is slow so slow that in fact the rebel alliance has taken to redesigning the hull entirely
C: carries too few fighter for a craft of its size and position in the fleet and
D: carries too few weapons for its size and position in the fleet
Also the imperial frigate/light cruiser has been built to fight terrorists, not to fight in fleet battles.

As for your vaunted ground army:
1. Your heavy armour could be seen from, not just one but, several miles away and could be taken out by the simple armaments of the shuttle craft or at least its fighter escort. I could take a commando team and with a HAND Phaser sabotage every AT-AT in your assault fleet or at least move the vast majority of my army around your plodding AT-ATs. Don’t even get me started on the AT-ST!

In AoTC, I thought there might be hope for Star Wars (The operation on Geonosis was impressive as was the AT-ET and the republic gunship) but then in RoTS you go and switch from a perfectly good all terrain vehicle to a giant wheeled behemoth that would get stuck in every mud hole on its way. Your storm troopers I noticed don’t carry many guns with shoulder stocks. Maybe this was because the shoulder stock wasn’t designed with aiming in mind, where as the newest Phaser rifles have shoulder stocks and are therefore easier to aim.

Starfleet blacks are better camouflage than Storm trooper armour. You’ll be surprised at the number of different terrain types black blends in with. Romulan cloaking devices will further hinder the Imperial. Since the Federation has had difficulty piercing the Romulan cloak, so to will the Imperials.

The lightsaber shouldn’t work according to physics. The light should just keep going and going and so should the energy unless you were using an artificial black hole to suck down the light, but then of course you'd have some trouble letting go of the sabre. Either that or they utilise a plasma variant, so that the energy disperses at a certain length, but then you would have to have massive holding tanks and other things, so do not go talking like you actually understand any of the technology in either Star Wars or Star Trek.

As for boarding parties, the Federation has, at least, some canon on the subject and they present a much more advanced view. Your "Empire" does not posses any translocation devices and whilst the Federation may be forced to lower their shields, it shouldn’t take more then a few nanoseconds to transport a marine squad or two (depending on how many transporter rooms the ship has). These squads would proceed to a crucial systems and destroy them, reducing your effectiveness. Since standard "imperial" doctrine keeps all troops in their barracks at the time of battle these systems would be relatively unguarded. The Empires version has much to do with capturing the ship. That’s difficult while its moving around. And you have forgotten that the Akira Class Federation ship is a torpedo boat armed with 15 launchers and carries a number of Peregrine fighter. You say it played a role only in the battle to retake deep space 9, yet they are seen, or at least mentioned, in every major battle..

Star Trek forces, whether they are in space or on the ground, are more mobile, faster, more manoeuvrable and are trooper for trooper, and ship for ship more powerful. In Star Trek ground tactics revolve around a single team, which takes the place of a platoon, carrying a lot of fire power. If a shuttle is equipped for combat and carries a single team, it represents more firepower then an entire company of Imperial troops. The reason for this is that Imperial drop ships flee after they have dropped off their passengers, where as Federation shuttles remain on the battlefield, lending their support to the ground forces.

In space Federation ships manoeuvre in complex tactical formations, where as Imperial ships go higgledy-piggledy off to engage whoever. Two ships are more likely to win then one on one.

If we take from TPM (The Phantom Menace) the Republic hasn’t fought a war in centuries. Only very few JEDI even remember a war. In Star trek, however, most of the experienced officers in the fought in the Cardassian border wars, or engaged in the Bolian wars. The Federations officers are combat vets, whilst the imperials forces are pitiful, green newbie’s, who screwed up there first major battle. For those who have ELIQ, (extremely limited I.Q) , the "battle" of Hoth every thing was in the Imperials favour and yet they lost it all The Imperials had a orbital blockade The imperials had the most powerful ships in you GALAXY. The Imperials had the best ground troops, the best in every conceivable situation, and all the rebels had was an ion cannon, entrenched infantry and some outdated artillery yet they somehow managed to escape.
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In short the Alpha Quadrant is OVER QUALIFIED to beat you. You have no Jedi, no Vader, no Emperor, no Force, no advantage and in short: no hope.

It took three freakin' hours, man.

[Noble Ire]

Thanks to the translation, I was bale to pick out this gem (three hours Jason? I pity thee):

Furthermore, the Federation has numerous other industrial bases and government planets whilst the empire keeps Coruscant as its only capital planet. A capital planet which they don’t even bother defending when THERES A WAR ON!

Really, he sounds even more moronic in plan english. Apparently Charlemagne Jr. missed the first part of ROTS entirely (not suprising.)
I'm not even going to get into the preceeding statement...

[Lonestar]

Holy Crap! My IQ just dropped by like fifty points! I felt that this young gentleman was avoiding the flamefest he deserved, simply because you guys couldn't understand a blessed word he was saying. So I ook it upon myself to translate his infantile ramblings into something that resembled English. Roast him one for me!

<snip>

It took three freakin' hours, man.

Nope, still un-real.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Wong, just tell him to re-write his email, using a spell-checker and being sure to remove all appeals to authority. That should condense it by half, I'm sure.

[Comosicus]

Wong, just tell him to re-write his email, using a spell-checker and being sure to remove all appeals to authority. That should condense it by half, I'm sure.

What makes you think the little genius will even consider that?

[Kuja]

...my uncal is a PHD! he built a computer all by himself he did all the things you did and more my great great grandfather was one of the ten richest men in the WORLD in fact in world war two the british sent a hole destroyer to pick him up before honcong was attacked and on my fathers side one of them was CHALEMAGN another was WILLIAM THE CONQUERER and another was knighted by FREDERICK THE GREAT himself

Right now, on a plane of existense different from our own, several great historical figures are gnashing their teeth and clenching their fists.

[Pcm979]

What is it with these idiots and their notions of inherited knowledge? My father was a pilot, but I don't pretend that I suddenly know how to fly in the Roulettes.

[Patrick Degan]

...my uncal is a PHD! he built a computer all by himself he did all the things you did and more my great great grandfather was one of the ten richest men in the WORLD in fact in world war two the british sent a hole destroyer to pick him up before honcong was attacked and on my fathers side one of them was CHALEMAGN another was WILLIAM THE CONQUERER and another was knighted by FREDERICK THE GREAT himself

With rest and care, he might be out of the asylum in twenty years.

[Joe Momma]

Y'know, there's certainly a lot more to say, but wading through this shit is exhausting.

in the movie StarTrek 5 when james kirk leads a rescue of the representitives of the major powers in the alpha quadrent we see him use shuttle craft to land a well equipt attack force

Yeah, one that got its ass kicked by a bunch of dirt farmers with pop-guns.

Think about this: if Starfleet Security had shown up at the Skywalker farm, instead of finding roasted skeletons, Luke would have been too busy helping Uncle Owen bury the bodies to leave Tattoine.

that the shuttles are at least armed and cappible of supporting infantry further more in the episode "paridise lost"(DS9)

Except that as we saw in "Nor the Battle to the Strong" in actual combat they have to leave troops behind to provide cover fire for their transport when they're trying to evacuate the field.

we find out that the federation posses "personal force fields" and we see that these can work in the show "fistfull of data's"(TNG)

Yes, for upwards of several seconds, while Worf just stands there with his thumb up his ass instead of actually moving to engage the enemy. I'm certainly shocked and awed. Curious that despite the awesome potential of this device, we never see it used to protect heads of state or other VIPs.

and from picards efident non-supris

You'd think they'd have an ointment for that by the 24th century.

3: the trasporter would mean that startrek troops play the roles:

You mean the transporter that's blocked out by lightning storms ("Power Play") and strange metals in the ground nearby that aren't even in the path of the beam (Insurrection)?

paratrooper and air mobile while this means that the over all tactics able to be used by the star trek commanders is more limited it does not meant that the star trek troops are any less deadly then there star wars counterparts

Being able to fill a particular role does not equate parity with all other forces that fall into that category. The Polish horse riders that met the Nazi Blitzkrieg and the air mobile groups of modern infantry may both be cavalry, but they are not equal in capability by any stretch, genius.

The Federation's enemies have historically attacked in piecemeal fashion, with small-scale attacks on outlying installations such as DS9, or harmless "Doolittle" attacks upon important installations (such as the symbolic but ineffective Breen attack on Federation HQ).

well first off i thought that the doolitle raid hepld win the war and i belive most historians agree

The Doolittle raids were good for US morale and bad for Japanese morale but did not do a lot of actual damage. Just like the situation described above with the Breen's strike on Starfleet. What a coincidence. Try doing some fucking research instead of putting for what you believe historians think, you fucking putz.

since ALL of the members of the dootile raid were given the medal of honor(the most given at one time in history)

Oooooh, everybody got medals! That's proof positive that major damage was done! Who needs to look at actual damage reports!

and i belive that the breen attack was very effective becouse for months the federation was incapible of reparing new ships from there utopa planitia yards

I just wanted to highlight this because it becomes relevant later on.

(and i disagree about how fast the hyperdrive is)

And thanks to the wonders of homeschooling, you apparently need not present any actual evidence or reasoning for that refutation in order to make it stick!

and we see in the episode "The Survivors"(TNG) we see that federation citezens are quit willing to lay down there lives to defend there homes

Yeah, they sure showed the Husnock alright.

In your surely voluminous and comprehensive study of...what the fuck did you actually study? Well, let's assume it's military science, since you're so hot to brag about purportedly being a distant relative of some inbred fuckups who marched in front of a bunch of guys with horsies.

Anyway, in the course of those studies, you may have come across the truism that "Capability does not equal intent." The reverse is also true: Intent does not equal capability. The colonists in "The Survivors" may have been willing to die defend their land. They managed to accomplish the first part by getting vaporized, but they did not actually manage to accomplish the more important part of keeping the enemy out.

To put it more simply: You used an example of Federation citizens getting fucking annihilated as an example of their military prowess. Are you retarded, insane, or both?

and we know that the vulcans at least maintain a well equipt security force("the gambit" TNG)

Apparently not one well "equipt" enough to stop 2,000 Romulan troops from taking over the entire planet. Nice to see the entire planet of Vulcan has less holding power than cities in modern Iraq after a ten-year sanction brought those citiies' infrastructure to their knees.

and we know that the klingons have light mortars("nor the battle to be strong" DS9)

Yeah, one almost strong enough to knock a teenage boy on his ass up to several feet away from the impact if he's already off-balance. Truly, the Klingons own the battlefield.

and it stands to reason the if the disrupter cannon on the Scorpion attack flyer is one: not much larger then a m60 and two: is on a rotating turret means that it is not unreasunable to assume that the Romulan Empire has a infantry Mouted Disrupter cannon

See? If the Romulans have small disruptor cannons on turrets, that means they have small disruptor cannons! Concession accepted, Wong! LOL!!!11!1 U G0T PUNK'D!

the empire keeps curiscunt as its capital and they dont even bother to put orbital defensise when THERES A WAR ON

Yeah, "curiscunt" only had a fleet to engage a major enemy attack. If only they had a truly well-defended base like Starfleet's in San Francisco, which let the Breen fly in and shoot the shit out of it before flying away. Think of all the ammo Starfleet tricked the Breen into using by leaving the headquarters wide open to attacks devastating enough to shut down their major shipyard for months (by Ethan's own admission) while "curiscunt" didn't even have to shut down routine functions like administrative meetings.

(I was going to ask if "curiscunt" was a Freudian Slip related to your hatred of women, but I realized you'll never socialize with any woman other than your mother when she brings food down to you in the basement, so I guess it's a moot point.)

we know that the klinons at least would help the federation and they have cloaks

Yes, they are very shiny and regal and make it easy to figure out who the Emperor is.

and whats more they are the undisputed masters in close combate and assaults

Unless you're hung up on things like actual results, in which case they're the booger-eating morons of close combate (is that a French martial art?) and assaults.

Hey, remember when those two Klingon assassins in "Sins of the Father" got killed in hand-to-hand by a sextegenarian captain and an old cleaning lady! Masters of close combat indeed, as long as they don't try to mug a senior citizen couple.

and before you go vrying about the batleths we see in several episodes that the klingons have disrupter rifles

Yeah, Wong, you prick, stop vrying about batleths!

and remember that the federation has based many of its disigns on border patroll

Look out, Empire! You might have thought you were hot shit, but this Federation patrols its borders. Truly the end is nigh! the Federation will feed you hell and death at the edge of the Sol System!

so its easy to see why i hold your somewhat illogical conclusians with extreem contempt

This is the greatest fucking sentence in history.

still my ships are better

Your ships? Nice to see you haven't invested your fucking identity in this or anything. Jesus.

ive just gone through rereading your emials GOD DAWM IT you sick sorry man you insult me without adressing any of the things i said i can take insulting but your not even insulting my EMAIL my uncal is a PHD! he built a computer all by himself he did all the things you did and more my great great grandfather was one of the ten richest men in the WORLD in fact in world war two the british sent a hole destroyer to pick him up before honcong was attacked and on my fathers side one of them was CHALEMAGN another was WILLIAM THE CONQUERER and another was knighted by FREDERICK THE GREAT himself i have studied military history for 7 fucking years i know more then any of my many "university-educated" famaly members

"I have relatives that supposedly did great stuff! That makes me...um, fucking nothing! I have no personal achievements of note beyond being the shiftless relative of people who might actually be worth a shit assuming I'm not lying out my ass!"

AND YOU TALK ABOUT ADVANCED PHISICS LAST TIME I CHECKED ENGINEERING DIDENT NEED THOSE TO BUILD A SKYSCAPER and my tutore for math WAS A PHISICKS PHD!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, Wong, who the fuck uses physics in engineering? Meanwhile, keep in mind you're debating a man who supposedly had a physics Ph.D. show him how to add without using his fingers (though he might not have been successful)! A little more respect might be in order!

Of course, Ethan doesn't know enough about math or physics to actually point out actual flaws in your calculations or methodology, but fuck you, he's homeschooled and that should be good enough for anyone to accept his word as gospel.

in short no hope.

I'm sure your parents say the same thing when talking about your future.

critisize my spelling but at least READ what i have to say and if you reply then why dont you say SOMTHING about my objections cause if you dont then ill KNOW that im right cause you have no response

About your spelling:

1) Can't you run a simple goddamn spell-check? Get one of your genius relatives to do it if your assisted guidance counselor from the local school for the retarded is unavailable.

2) Why should anyone respond to your arguments when you're incapable of presenting them coherently? Faulting someone for raising style over substance would be a logical fallacy. Faulting someone for not presenting an argument in some semblance of rationality is not.

Bottom line: You don't even have enough self-respect to present your thoughts clearly. Why should we respect what you have to say when you do not?

The even-bottomer line: You suck.

-- Joe Momma

[Jay]

still my ships are better

Your ships? Nice to see you haven't invested your fucking identity in this or anything. Jesus.

Yeah, I found it worrying how towards the end, the assets of the Federation became his assets. As I was going through the text last night, I got the distinct impression that by the fifth page he was typing one-handed, masturbating furiously over his k1ll3r S3ct0r Fl33tZZ!!!!11!!

and i belive that the breen attack was very effective becouse for months the federation was incapible of reparing new ships from there utopa planitia yards

Because blowing up a building and a bridge on earth, hinders people from building starships on mars... riiiiight

so its easy to see why i hold your somewhat illogical conclusians with extreem contempt

All your base are belong to us!

[DocHorror]

This guy is obviously above us all and is about to evolve into pure energy, leaving the shackles of mortal flesh behind.

[Isolder74]

only one member of the Doolittle raid got a medal of honor, Jimmy Doolittle! The rest got distinguished service stars!

[Adrian Laguna]

If I recall correctly the greatest number of Medals of Honor given for a particular battle was for the Battle of Wounded Knee. Which makes his point about how number of medals given = importance or success of battle, totally moot. All or almost all of the casualties suffered by the US Cavalry in that massacre were due to friendly fire.

~Snip~ please don't quote entire posts when you are not referring to something specific in them, especially when they are this long.~Son of the Suns

Shit, do you realize what you've just done!? You erased jasonicusuk's three hour effort to translate the bullshit for us!

[Jay]

Khaaaaaan!!!

[Sea Skimmer]

If I recall correctly the greatest number of Medals of Honor given for a particular battle was for the Battle of Wounded Knee. Which makes his point about how number of medals given = importance or success of battle, totally moot. All or almost all of the casualties suffered by the US Cavalry in that massacre were due to friendly fire.

Something you need to keep in mind, is that when the Medal of Honor was first created in the US Civil war, it was far more freely awarded then it is today. The considerable majority of the medals awarded came before or during WW1, after which the criteria for winning it was made far more strict. Prior to that it was more like the German Iron Cross, a medal which was awarded freely for bravery. It was also very rare for it to be awarded posthumously prior to then, while among those to win it since the end of WW1, more then two thirds where posthumous.

[Utsanomiko]

still my ships are better

Your ships? Nice to see you haven't invested your fucking identity in this or anything. Jesus.

Yeah, I found it worrying how towards the end, the assets of the Federation became his assets. As I was going through the text last night, I got the distinct impression that by the fifth page he was typing one-handed, masturbating furiously over his k1ll3r S3ct0r Fl33tZZ!!!!11!!

Whenever someone discussing two sides of a fictional situation and starts talking in the first-person, I often picture a MST3K segment when Crow and Servo are describing and comparing their 'monsters' (really just distracting Joel from what photos they're really looking at):

Crow: "Well, m-my monster is as silent as tomorrow; he kills in the night. He has become... aquainted with the night."
Joel comments "Sounds like your monster reads Frost, too."
"Uh, yeah! And he spreads it like icy death from his bloody stumps!"

But mostly I figure they're not wearing any pants, and try to avoid picturing it.

Again, that kid's an uneducated, pathetic, posturing, blow-hard shitwit. He should at least *try* researching facts if he's going to be as ignorant as a post. And the appeals were just sad; I'd rather talk to all the people whose intelligence he's boasting about, since he's making it clear he himself is a fucking moron.

[Patrick Degan]

Again, that kid's an uneducated, pathetic, posturing, blow-hard shitwit.... I'd rather talk to all the people whose intelligence he's boasting about, since he's making it clear he himself is a fucking moron.

That's the problem, though. You can't really talk to somebody else's imaginary friends.

[Drooling Iguana]

Again, that kid's an uneducated, pathetic, posturing, blow-hard shitwit.... I'd rather talk to all the people whose intelligence he's boasting about, since he's making it clear he himself is a fucking moron.

That's the problem, though. You can't really talk to somebody else's imaginary friends.

Sure you can. That's kinda the whole point of religion, isn't it?