Trekkies that are also fundies.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-07-27 04:12pm

I thought people might be interested in this. It is both about sci fi and creationism.

Basically some one is claming that it is stupid that startrek (which they say is scientifically sound) is using the “baseless, unproven scientific theory” of evolution.

Its over at startrek.com hear is the link.

++http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 17315;st=0

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-07-27 04:19pm

Ooh this looks like fun. I'm keeping this for tomorrow to read at work

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-07-27 04:55pm

Star Trek doesn't subscribe to evolution anyway. What with those angelic space aliens being responsible for the creation of all those humanoid life forms.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-07-27 05:01pm

This is nothing surprising. Given the fact that many trektards show they can't grasp logic, fundie belief in magic sky pixies as well is nothing new. iirc a few such trolls have gotten banned from here before as well.

Post by **The Wookiee** » 2005-07-27 05:07pm

Star Trek writers have no idea how evolution works. This much is obvious from Genesis (entire crew "de-evolves") and Threshold (Janeway and Paris turn into giant lizards) alone.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-27 05:15pm

The guy calling himself "Lord Edam" on my Hate Mail page is a creationist. I've found it's actually surprisingly common for Trekkies to be fundies. Not that I'm suggesting there's any connection, since I'm sure there are lots of fundie Star Wars fans, Stargate fans, etc. But it does seem to indicate that fundies have no problem being Star Trek fans, despite the show's overblown pretensions of being geared toward science enthusiasts.

Maraxus · Post by **Maraxus** » 2005-07-27 05:50pm

That dolt KEhleyr_Rozhenko is making my brain hurt with his rehashing of the classic "OMG 3v0lu710n 1s t3h 1mp0ss1bl3!!!1!!1"

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2005-07-27 07:51pm

When I was much younger (12-16), I was big into Star Trek IRC simming. Think of the biggest, most outrageous Trek wank you can think of, throw in some huge character shields, add a liberal dosage of pre-pubescent angst and egomania from nearly everyone, and you have the environment in which I dwelled. The questionability of a bunch of adults leading sims for minors aside, I look back and I notice that the place definitely had several rather hardcore fundies. I remember one of them trying to convert me, and I wish I still had that chat log. It'd be a gem to look at now, seven years later.

Also, I suspect that fundies wouldn't be as drawn to Star Wars (for roleplaying, that is) as often only because Trek supposedly inherits Earth's history, so it's easier for them to envision themselves as Christians of the Future™. Although, I guess if they jumped through enough hoops and rationalizations, they could imagine some sort of Christian church in the Wars universe.

1123581321 · Post by **1123581321** » 2005-07-27 08:13pm

Someone in that topic linked to answeresingenesis. I have never encountered that particular creationist site before. They seem to be very condescending in their little writings, almost as if they are targeting children. Do creationists always try to sound this "folksy." It's really annoying, the condescending part. The stupidity part is a different kind of annoying.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-27 08:28pm

1123581321 wrote:Someone in that topic linked to answeresingenesis. I have never encountered that particular creationist site before. They seem to be very condescending in their little writings, almost as if they are targeting children. Do creationists always try to sound this "folksy." It's really annoying, the condescending part. The stupidity part is a different kind of annoying.

You don't understand. They're not trying to be condescending with those ridiculous folksy descriptions and grossly oversimplified analogies. That's the actual level of their comprehension.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2005-07-27 08:36pm

Stofsk wrote:Star Trek doesn't subscribe to evolution anyway. What with those angelic space aliens being responsible for the creation of all those humanoid life forms.

The Voth were dinosaurs which evolved, developed space flight and ended up in the Delta quadrant.

Alferd Packer wrote:
Also, I suspect that fundies wouldn't be as drawn to Star Wars (for roleplaying, that is) as often only because Trek supposedly inherits Earth's history, so it's easier for them to envision themselves as Christians of the Future™.

That reminds me of a Star Trek joke which I first heard used to denigrate Arabs, but it can be used to mock other groups as well.

Why are there no Christians on Star Trek?

Because its set in the future.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-27 08:38pm

mr friendly guy wrote:
Stofsk wrote:Star Trek doesn't subscribe to evolution anyway. What with those angelic space aliens being responsible for the creation of all those humanoid life forms.
The Voth were dinosaurs which evolved, developed space flight and ended up in the Delta quadrant.

That's the problem: Star Trek supports an absurd caricature of evolution. In that episode, they used computer modeling to "predict" the bipedal highly intelligent inevitable end-point of dinosaur evolution: a gross mischaracterization of evolution theory if I ever saw one.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-07-27 10:01pm

Oh God, I hopped I wasn't the only disgusted with that 'Prediction' thats like picking up a random animal, sticking in a computer and saying "Hey, show my what civilixation will 'evolve' from this animal.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-07-27 10:33pm

I think a lot of it stems from the way the Federation is always portrayed as being Absolutely Right and Perfect, even when an objective analysis of their actions would indicate otherwise. It seems to be a mentality that fundies can readily identify with.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-07-27 10:38pm

I've found the Fundy/Creationist Trekkie connection an odd one considering how much Roddenberry detested religion and TOS and TNG episodes lambasting religion.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-07-27 10:41pm

Alyeska wrote:I've found the Fundy/Creationist Trekkie connection an odd one considering how much Roddenberry detested religion and TOS and TNG episodes lambasting religion.

Maybe its post Roddenberry Trek that has drawn most of them?

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2005-07-28 12:07am

Darth Wong wrote:The guy calling himself "Lord Edam" on my Hate Mail page is a creationist. I've found it's actually surprisingly common for Trekkies to be fundies. Not that I'm suggesting there's any connection, since I'm sure there are lots of fundie Star Wars fans, Stargate fans, etc. But it does seem to indicate that fundies have no problem being Star Trek fans, despite the show's overblown pretensions of being geared toward science enthusiasts.

But the problem is, is that these fundie trekkies will use Star Trek as their primary source for science...

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-07-28 01:20am

Darth Servo wrote:
Alyeska wrote:I've found the Fundy/Creationist Trekkie connection an odd one considering how much Roddenberry detested religion and TOS and TNG episodes lambasting religion.
Maybe its post Roddenberry Trek that has drawn most of them?

Post Roddenberry maintained the same things.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-28 01:44am

Alyeska wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
Alyeska wrote:I've found the Fundy/Creationist Trekkie connection an odd one considering how much Roddenberry detested religion and TOS and TNG episodes lambasting religion.
Maybe its post Roddenberry Trek that has drawn most of them?
Post Roddenberry maintained the same things.

You must not have seen that abominable Voyager episode where Janeway learned that sometimes you have to put aside logic and observation in favour of faith.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2005-07-28 02:00am

Darth Wong wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
Darth Servo wrote: Maybe its post Roddenberry Trek that has drawn most of them?
Post Roddenberry maintained the same things.
You must not have seen that abominable Voyager episode where Janeway learned that sometimes you have to put aside logic and observation in favour of faith.

Which one was that? The one where she goes through some sort of alien mumbo-jumbo ritual?

Have a very nice day
-fgalkin

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2005-07-28 03:54am

I find your attempts to remember Voyager episodes quite distressing. Maybe you should consider counciling before injuring yourselves in such a manner?

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2005-07-28 05:10am

Imperial Overlord wrote:I find your attempts to remember Voyager episodes quite distressing. Maybe you should consider counciling before injuring yourselves in such a manner?

hehe if the adage "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is true then all fans Voyager are gods.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2005-07-28 09:26am

Son of the Suns wrote:hehe if the adage "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is true then all fans Voyager are gods.

I believe the saying goes: "If watching Voyager doesn't kill you, it'll make your insanity stronger". Something like that.

Darth Wong wrote:You don't understand. They're not trying to be condescending with those ridiculous folksy descriptions and grossly oversimplified analogies. That's the actual level of their comprehension.

Yes, yes it is. That is the reason why many creationists think sites like TalkOrigins.org are false; because they are using words that they don't understand. One idiot once said "sites like talkinor[sic] try to convince people they're right by using fancy words"...

Post by **Gandalf** » 2005-07-28 09:51am

fgalkin wrote:Which one was that? The one where she goes through some sort of alien mumbo-jumbo ritual?

Have a very nice day
-fgalkin

Sacred Ground, season 3.

As for religious themed episodes, don't forget season 6's Barge of The Dead. The basic plot was that B'Elanna has a near death experience, then sees the boat to Hades, I mean Gre'Thor.

She sees her mother is on the boat because B'Elanna rejected Klingon ways. This meant that she'd failed as a mother, blah blah blah. After some angst, she offers to take her mother's place in Gre'thor for eternity.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-07-28 11:34am

Gandalf wrote:Sacred Ground, season 3.

As for religious themed episodes, don't forget season 6's Barge of The Dead. The basic plot was that B'Elanna has a near death experience, then sees the boat to Hades, I mean Gre'Thor.

She sees her mother is on the boat because B'Elanna rejected Klingon ways. This meant that she'd failed as a mother, blah blah blah. After some angst, she offers to take her mother's place in Gre'thor for eternity.

There was another episode (Rise IIRC) where Nelix and Tuvok are going through an attempted tribute to the old Spock vs McCoy debates where Nelix is arguing in favor of gut reactions and is proven right.