The Joiner King (spoliers possible)

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2005-07-30 03:27pm

Anyone else got this yet? I got mine earlier today.

I'm about half way through it at the moment, I have to say I'm some what .. confused. But i'm sure if i read the rest it shall become clear.

I wont spoil it, because i'm no good at such things, I'll let JME2 do that, if/when he's around.. So far there have been some thing new things revealed about Centerpoint Station and Alldaraan.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-07-30 03:29pm

What is it?

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2005-07-30 03:32pm

Is is the first of the Post-NJO books, I beleive this book one of three, and after that there is going to be a nine book Arc.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2005-07-30 03:35pm

oops.. I'm already being Grammer Shark Bait... *makes note to preview posts*

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-07-30 04:22pm

So what's it about?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-07-30 04:28pm

I just picked it up. But I wish I would have read the Dramatis Personae before I did.

Tarfang; copilot, XR808g (male Ewok)

Jesus Cocksucking Christ...

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2005-07-30 04:31pm

WTF. How do you get an Ewok to pilot a vehicle any more than a caveman?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-07-30 04:44pm

WANK.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-07-30 04:54pm

MRDOD wrote:WTF. How do you get an Ewok to pilot a vehicle any more than a caveman?

Haven't decades passed between RotJ and the new books? The Ewok could have simply been raised from childhood in a more technologically advanced culture.

Unless you're suggesting that there's something intrinsic to the Ewok species that prevents them from ever being able to use advanced technology.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-07-30 04:58pm

Dartzap wrote:, I'll let JME2 do that, if/when he's around...

Boo.

I decided to stick to running the speculation thread, hence my absence and lack of any talkback threads.

Anyway, for those not willing to shell out the money, NJOE's got a summary of the opening entry in the trilogy up on their boards. I've skimmed the book thus far (I'm still working on getting through DS9's Millenium trilogy, which I picked up for the first time in four years), but it looks interesting.

For those like myself, past-EU continuity isn't ignored. We get plot threads going back to Tatooine Ghost, the Corellian Trilogy, and Star by Star brough back and expanded upon. In addition, Vergere's actions and beliefs on the nature of the Force are still in play and for those that complained about the apparent discrepencies regarding both the number of Chiss ruling families and Soontir Fel's offspring (Survivor's Quest vs. the Force Heretic trilogy), answers are supplied to both. And finally, for those seeking links between the PT and OT eras, Luke and Leia get one step closer to learning the fate of their birth-mother.

The only real complaint I have is the Joiners themselves. But then again, considering what VGR did to the concept of assimilation and group minds, that can be expected...

So, do I recommend it? Overall, yes.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-07-30 04:59pm

MRDOD wrote:WTF. How do you get an Ewok to pilot a vehicle any more than a caveman?

Ewoks were quite obviously intellegent, even if they lived primative and superstitous lives. REally, thats like saying if you took a young child from the Dark Ages and raised him in the modern world, he would be incapable of using modern technology.

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2005-07-30 05:16pm

Well, I suppose it's possible, assuming Ewok heads are big enough to hold a sufficiently sized brain. Which not having seen ROTJ recently I'm not really sure.

They'd probably have to modify his cockpit though.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-07-30 05:17pm

MRDOD wrote:Well, I suppose it's possible, assuming Ewok heads are big enough to hold a sufficiently sized brain. Which not having seen ROTJ recently I'm not really sure.

They're engineering skill seems comparable to at least Bronze Age man, at least judging by the type and implimentation of their war machines and traps, as well as their fairly advanced language, social structure, and oral tradition.

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-07-30 05:26pm

Nevermind the part about size, prostetics, a unique cockpit. An ewok isn't really suprising.

Kenoshi · Post by **Kenoshi** » 2005-07-30 07:32pm

MRDOD wrote:Well, I suppose it's possible, assuming Ewok heads are big enough to hold a sufficiently sized brain. Which not having seen ROTJ recently I'm not really sure.

They'd probably have to modify his cockpit though.

Considering that the Ewoks were dwarfs in furry costumes, I think it would be safe to say that their heads are big enough.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-07-30 08:51pm

Lord Poe wrote:I just picked it up. But I wish I would have read the Dramatis Personae before I did.

Tarfang; copilot, XR808g (male Ewok)
Jesus Cocksucking Christ...

Er, yeah? Dark Empire had Ewoks serving abord a frickin STAR DESTROYER before that (and we actually see them operating a tripod mounted heavy blaster when the Falcon lands to resecue the crew.) I don't see much of a problem here.

Whats more, we know there were experiments (IE the ones Zsinj conducted) that enabled some Ewoks (and that Gamorrean) to actually pilot starships. That particular Ewok could be apart of the same project, or perhaps someone else carried out a similar project.

Besides, if you're one of those who believe that Endor was totally demolished by the DS2 explosion and all the Ewoks were wiped out, then they probably would have to have learned to use technology at some point anyhow (Judging by what we've seen onscreen, they CAN learn to use high technology, they just don't know what the buttons do. Their "primitive" nature IMHO is generally overrated.)

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-07-30 10:52pm

One of them managed to figure out how to drive a speeder-bike, after all. Not very well, mind you, but he still drove it, without having touched one before.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-07-30 10:58pm

And it isn't like they haven't seen technology before. There was at least one attempt to convert the Ewoks to religion, meaning they may have encountered technology before, although that was a long time before ROTJ. And all I got from that is that the Ewoks weren't interested in joining a new religion.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-07-30 11:45pm

Sorry, I'm still calling bullshit here. This is Trek-level fiction, where they made a fucking HORTA a crew member.

Ewoks were specifically made by Lucas to distinguish them from tech saavy Wookiees. Now there's no distinction except for their height.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-07-30 11:59pm

Lord Poe wrote:Sorry, I'm still calling bullshit here. This is Trek-level fiction, where they made a fucking HORTA a crew member.

Ewoks were specifically made by Lucas to distinguish them from tech saavy Wookiees. Now there's no distinction except for their height.

Ewoks were specifically made by Lucas because he wanted the Empire to be defeated by a non-tech-savvy people. Now that the Empire has already been defeated, I don't think he much cares about what happens to them, and having them learn how to use technology now that they're no longer isolated from the rest of the galaxy simply makes sense.

000 · Post by **000** » 2005-07-31 12:28am

Since when do we care about Lucas's intent?

There's no reason to bitch about an Ewok pilot. They had the know-how to build gliders prior to outside contact, after all-- something we didn't manage until a couple of centuries ago. That, plus the Ewok movies and cartoons (produced an okayed by Lucas) show the ewoks as an intelligent and sophistocated, if primitive, species.

Yoda Stories also reveals that Ewoks can be found on a variety of forested world, suggesting some degree of colonization.

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2005-07-31 12:30am

gladius wrote: Yoda Stories also reveals that Ewoks can be found on a variety of forested world, suggesting some degree of colonization.

Or being taken as slaves or pets, depending upon who specifically went to Endor...

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-07-31 12:34am

Or being taken as slaves or pets, depending upon who specifically went to Endor...

As is suggested by C-3PO holding a variation of their language in his lingustic banks, info easily passed on to the producers of that basic series of protocol droid by slave owners.

000 · Post by **000** » 2005-07-31 12:42am

MRDOD wrote:Or being taken as slaves or pets, depending upon who specifically went to Endor...

I was being facetious with that bit. Yoda Stories is hardly a reliable source of information.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-07-31 01:47am

So, besides an Ewok pilot, what's it about?

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