The Latest? SW Pilots Like To Sit In Their Own Shit!

[Lord of the Farce]

Obviously, none of these guys have ever took a nine hour aircraft/train/bus trip (which, for all practical purposes, is similar to their concept of "jump into hyperspace, sleep for two weeks". Except that mass transport is more comfortable than a fighter cockpit)

I'd say that being the passenger in a car where the seat adjustments are broken, travelling absolutely non-stop for well over 10 hours straight, would be the closest (but still a clearly pale) comparison. This is because you'll be sitting in a pretty cramped position, with no room to stand up and stretch your legs properly, no room to kick back and relax, etc.

Hell, in that kind of condition, even a couple of hours can wear off your edge. Make it a couple of weeks, as these dopes want, and the Rebels pilots might still be better than useless... Maybe.

[AntarDragon]

I'd say that being the passenger in a car where the seat adjustments are broken, travelling absolutely non-stop for well over 10 hours straight, would be the closest (but still a clearly pale) comparison. This is because you'll be sitting in a pretty cramped position, with no room to stand up and stretch your legs properly, no room to kick back and relax, etc.

Hell, in that kind of condition, even a couple of hours can wear off your edge. Make it a couple of weeks, as these dopes want, and the Rebels pilots might still be better than useless... Maybe.

Could anyone be sane after spending two weeks in a fighter cockpit? I doubt they have any entertain systems onboard their ships (I've only seen the films so I don't know what kind of extra stuff the fighters carry with them) so they could only entertain themselves by looking out of the window at Hyperspace, which would get old after an hour of staring.

[wautd]

You heard it here first folks. Not only is hypespace so slow that it took days to reach Endor from Sullest but the pilots on the rebel starfighters didn't mind the fact that they had to live in their own shit for several days!

By the way the entry is by Son-of-CCN:

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is this debate still going on? Wow... Just. Wow

[Plushie]

I'm not surprised it's still going, that Son-of-CCN character seems to be pretty much a complete Trek-Wanker, will do anything to diminish SW and everything to boost ST.

Of course, he has his counterpart, can't remember the kid's name, but he's got it in his mind that SW is the most powerful sci-fi universe and he won't take no shit about it.

[Dakarne]

Of course, he has his counterpart, can't remember the kid's name, but he's got it in his mind that SW is the most powerful sci-fi universe and he won't take no shit about it.

Would that counterpart be me exactly?

If so, I don't think Star Wars is the most powerful Sci-Fi universe, only a lot more powerful than Star Trek.

[Dakarne]

EDIT: I'm infinitely glad to get off of that bloody Site.

[Plushie]

Of course, he has his counterpart, can't remember the kid's name, but he's got it in his mind that SW is the most powerful sci-fi universe and he won't take no shit about it.

Would that counterpart be me exactly?

If so, I don't think Star Wars is the most powerful Sci-Fi universe, only a lot more powerful than Star Trek.

Don't worry, it isn't you, it's that hot-hands-harry guy.

[Dakarne]

Ah, him.

I've encountered him before, I was once a lurker around here, and I think he posted a few times on Strek-V-Swars.net

I think Newland banned him, might be mistaken.

[NRS Guardian]

I just looked in the WotC sourcebook Starships of the Galaxy and it says the X-wing only has 2 days of consumables. Now, I'm pretty sure consumables means like air, food, water, fuel, those sorts of things. So according to these Trektards all the starfighter pilots miraculously survived dehydration, starvation, suffocation, and their ships must have been fueled during hyperspace to keep them from running out .

[Dakarne]

I just looked in the WotC sourcebook Starships of the Galaxy and it says the X-wing only has 2 days of consumables.

Which, with the Speeds in Episode III, is perfectly fine!

Now, I'm pretty sure consumables means like air, food, water, fuel, those sorts of things. So according to these Trektards all the starfighter pilots miraculously survived dehydration, starvation, suffocation, and their ships must have been fueled during hyperspace to keep them from running out .

Now you see the reason for this:

EDIT: I'm infinitely glad to get off of that bloody Site.

[Mange]

Ah, him.

I've encountered him before, I was once a lurker around here, and I think he posted a few times on Strek-V-Swars.net

I think Newland banned him, might be mistaken.

No, HHH was banned from strek-v-swars.

It has been pretty quiet in the "Hyperdrive vs. Warp" thread over there today (at least during the day).

[Aaron]

Well I just saw ROTS in theater and there's a new argument for the speed of hyperdrive, Vader's injuries. Cader sustaines 3 amputations and 3rd degree burns over 100% of his body and then is left lying on the shores of a lava flow on Mustafar by Kenobi. It would have been medically impossible for Vader to survive more than 6-12 hours in his condition before the Emperor arrived to retrive him. His breathing was already ragged (you can clearly hear this in the theatre) and the dyhdration from the burns would have been very severe, not to mention that he would have been in deep shock at this point. Going by my own injuries in this department (electrocution burns over 20% of my body 3rd and 4th degree), I can safely say that Vader would have died before half the day was out.

This puts a lower limit on the speed of the Emperors shuttle of 12 hours to reach the Mustafar system from Coruscant, remember he left halfway through the battle "I sense that Lord Vader is in danger". I'll leave it up to you guys to do the math but I'm being very generous to the Trek side here, in the novelization Obi-wan is said to see the Emperor's shuttle descending as he is leaving the planet, so I doubt they fought for 12 hours.

[Ghost Rider]

Actually that would be extremely generous, given he was on a lavva bag, thus literally breathing in extremely hot air, and the ground beneath him was constantly burning him.

Twelve hours would easily be shortened by much more when you take those two factors into account.

[Mark S]

2 weeks sitting in a cockpit? People have been known to get bloodclots and die after just hours of sitting in the same position.

[Aaron]

Actually that would be extremely generous, given he was on a lavva bag, thus literally breathing in extremely hot air, and the ground beneath him was constantly burning him.

Twelve hours would easily be shortened by much more when you take those two factors into account.

I think 6 hours is more realistic but I decided to be generous. That and this is my first real attempt to quantify anything for a debate.

[Aaron]

2 weeks sitting in a cockpit? People have been known to get bloodclots and die after just hours of sitting in the same position.

That's a good point, you should post that. Would zero-g make that worse?

[Ghost Rider]

Actually that would be extremely generous, given he was on a lavva bag, thus literally breathing in extremely hot air, and the ground beneath him was constantly burning him.

Twelve hours would easily be shortened by much more when you take those two factors into account.

I think 6 hours is more realistic but I decided to be generous. That and this is my first real attempt to quantify anything for a debate.

I understand, but you have to consider the enviroment. Either he's overdosing on the Force to an extent we've really cannot say either or, or the times are shorter because the situation .

If he was in just some dirt pile, it'd be easier to say extensive periods, but in a hostile territory and with the effects imapcting upon him, he's likely using the Force to simply keep alive right there, let alone for any real extended periods.

[Bounty]

2 weeks sitting in a cockpit? People have been known to get bloodclots and die after just hours of sitting in the same position.

That's a good point, you should post that. Would zero-g make that worse?

IIRC the clots start in the lower legs due to blood collecting there, so zero-G may actually make it better.

And there's medication to counter it, I believe.

[Dakarne]

IIRC the clots start in the lower legs due to blood collecting there, so zero-G may actually make it better.

And there's medication to counter it, I believe.

Moving your legs about and light exercise also helps...

And there's also special Legwear that you can use...

there was actually an advertisement on British TV about it.

[Aaron]

I understand, but you have to consider the enviroment. Either he's overdosing on the Force to an extent we've really cannot say either or, or the times are shorter because the situation .

If he was in just some dirt pile, it'd be easier to say extensive periods, but in a hostile territory and with the effects imapcting upon him, he's likely using the Force to simply keep alive right there, let alone for any real extended periods.

I don't think he was using the force to stay alive (or if he was it was only minimally) because if he was than why didn't he use it to stop from being horribly burned? What's the novel say on this issue?

[Ghost Rider]

I understand, but you have to consider the enviroment. Either he's overdosing on the Force to an extent we've really cannot say either or, or the times are shorter because the situation .

If he was in just some dirt pile, it'd be easier to say extensive periods, but in a hostile territory and with the effects imapcting upon him, he's likely using the Force to simply keep alive right there, let alone for any real extended periods.

I don't think he was using the force to stay alive (or if he was it was only minimally) because if he was than why didn't he use it to stop from being horribly burned? What's the novel say on this issue?

The novel is purposefully vague, because Palps enters so quickly. The most I got from it is Anakin was using the Force enough to keep alive, after the exhausting fight with Obi Wan.

[Dakarne]

Nothing, just read the page with Anakin's burning... the Emperor's shuttle was already there when Anakin STARTED burning though, so...

Half an hour. to traverse half a Galaxy...

[Aaron]

The novel is purposefully vague, because Palps enters so quickly. The most I got from it is Anakin was using the Force enough to keep alive, after the exhausting fight with Obi Wan.

So he could have been using the force to stay alive but he still could have been continually burned which could raise the burns from 3rd to 4th degree and shorting his life even further.

[Dakarne]

So he could have been using the force to stay alive but he still could have been continually burned which could raise the burns from 3rd to 4th degree and shorting his life even further.

That's about the size of it... Anakin hadn't stopped smoking (actual smoke from the burns on his body) when he got back to coruscant... that's worth mentioning.

[Techno_Union]

The main problem now is that they're trying to argue the size of the SW galaxy... stupid? Yes. But that's what's going on. And it's been narrowed down to two incidents really: the Tatooine - Geonosis and the Sullest - Endor.