nBSG: S2:03: "Fragged" (Spoilers)

[DPDarkPrimus]

I loved this ep. I had no idea who was going to die on Kobol, because all the characters have been around for a while.

[xammer99]

Did anyone else notice that the Pres started hearing a ringing sound when Ellen visited her?

Plot device so when Ellen left, Rosilin could say "Oh shit, that was Ellen Tigh, I'm so fucked."

I'm not so sure. (no spoilers, pure supposition) I'd put money on Ellen being a cylon. Her story for bein in the fleet with amnesia just was too convient and she's ALWAYS pushing Tigh to do more even when its destructive as hell. Rather like Six is with Baltar. She's a great mole in a great place for ruining one of the real effectives of the fleet.

[Darth Lucifer]

Something I really noticed was the stark difference in Colonel Tigh between this episode and the previous one, "Valley of Darkness." If Tigh had been swimming in alcohol like he was in this episode, the Galactica might not have survived the encounter with the Cylons.

[Alyeska]

Tigh is surprisingly good under combat pressure. He's saved Adama's ass a couple of times.

[Imperial Overlord]

Tigh is surprisingly good under combat pressure. He's saved Adama's ass a couple of times.

He's not surprisingly good, he's just plain good. It's when he's drinking or when his wife's involved that he goes to shit. Combat has a way of making you focus on "not dying" that is helpful.

[Skylon]

Something I really noticed was the stark difference in Colonel Tigh between this episode and the previous one, "Valley of Darkness." If Tigh had been swimming in alcohol like he was in this episode, the Galactica might not have survived the encounter with the Cylons.

Things were also running a lot tighter over the last two episodes. Adama was shot, then suddenly a basestar is on top of them, then they needed to find the fleet, and then Cylons were aboard ship.

A lot of crap, happening non-stop with no time to find a nip. It also seems Tigh thrives somewhat in high-stress combat situations. In "33" he states that tired as he was, the whole situation had him feeling more alive than he had in years, and Adama noted he was staying away from the booze.

Now, things have slown down comparativly aboard Galactica. Tigh seems averse to the details of running a warship. He's a good combat officer, but the everyday strain of command clearly gets to him. And politically he's a disaster.

[Knife]

Did anyone else notice that the Pres started hearing a ringing sound when Ellen visited her?

Plot device so when Ellen left, Rosilin could say "Oh shit, that was Ellen Tigh, I'm so fucked."

I'm not so sure. (no spoilers, pure supposition) I'd put money on Ellen being a cylon. Her story for bein in the fleet with amnesia just was too convient and she's ALWAYS pushing Tigh to do more even when its destructive as hell. Rather like Six is with Baltar. She's a great mole in a great place for ruining one of the real effectives of the fleet.

Good god, I hope not. I like the tension that they have because 'any one could be a Cylon'. How ever, the series will, imo, take a serious nose dive if everyone starts becoming a Cylon.

The threat of it makes good inter character tension, it would ruin it for it to be true. It would also be an aweful plot device, whether it be Roslin, Ellen Tigh, or Lt. Geta.

[Alyeska]

I have a feeling Boomer is going to admit to being tested by Baltar. When this comes to light Baltar is going to have some explaining to do. Everyone would have to be retested.

[Chmee]

Plot device so when Ellen left, Rosilin could say "Oh shit, that was Ellen Tigh, I'm so fucked."

I'm not so sure. (no spoilers, pure supposition) I'd put money on Ellen being a cylon. Her story for bein in the fleet with amnesia just was too convient and she's ALWAYS pushing Tigh to do more even when its destructive as hell. Rather like Six is with Baltar. She's a great mole in a great place for ruining one of the real effectives of the fleet.

Good god, I hope not. I like the tension that they have because 'any one could be a Cylon'. How ever, the series will, imo, take a serious nose dive if everyone starts becoming a Cylon.

The threat of it makes good inter character tension, it would ruin it for it to be true. It would also be an aweful plot device, whether it be Roslin, Ellen Tigh, or Lt. Geta.

Ellen seems to make a good cover for a Cylon agent, because everybody knows she was always a manipulative bitch! She's a strong suspect but that's all at this point.

[Crown]

I have a feeling Boomer is going to admit to being tested by Baltar. When this comes to light Baltar is going to have some explaining to do. Everyone would have to be retested.

I don't know, to hijack a quote from Otto von Bismarck; "There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children, the United States of America and Dr Baltar."

Good god, I hope not. I like the tension that they have because 'any one could be a Cylon'. How ever, the series will, imo, take a serious nose dive if everyone starts becoming a Cylon.

The threat of it makes good inter character tension, it would ruin it for it to be true. It would also be an aweful plot device, whether it be Roslin, Ellen Tigh, or Lt. Geta.

Yeah, I agree. Elen should just be a bitch.

However, about the Cylons, the show states that there are twelve 'models', now so far we've seen;Boomer, Six, the 'everday' guy, and the guy who wears a suit.

That's 4, so does the '12 model' think mean just the human replicas or all the cylons put together? If it is the latter then we would include; Centurions and I guess the Raiders (bringing it up to 6), but that still leaves another '6' unseen (possibly 5 if we say a Basestar its self is a model).

If, however, it is just the former (i.e. human replicas only), then we are still missing 8 models.

[Uraniun235]

I found the re-use of music from Hand of God a little distracting - I think they could have worked it in a little better than they did.

Super k-rad Cally moments. For a moment I was afraid RDM was going to really off her.

Pleasantly surprised by the Kobol team already getting rescued; I was afraid Kobol was going to become the new Caprica. Also great moments during the final firefight on Kobol.

I desperately wanted Baltar to respond to Six's "You're a man now because you killed Crashdown" speech with "What would I be if I hadn't killed him?", and I also wanted him to call her on that non-answer she gave to "So I should teach the child murder?". Six is again raising far more questions than are being answered and this irritates me.

[StarshipTitanic]

If, however, it is just the former (i.e. human replicas only), then we are still missing 8 models.

In the pilot, Six was referring to infiltrator models.

Ellen Tigh is not a Cylon until we see Cylons copy memories from human minds and have infiltrators who are 40 years old.

[DocHorror]

Personally I hope Ellen Tigh gets her come-uppance soon, its clear she wants to get close to Tom Zerick cause she has no faith in Laura. I just hope Saul wises up and leaves her.

I wonder if they'll do some kind of Zach Allen/Night Watch storyline when Ellen starts trying to get Saul to collaborate with Tom Zerick. Or I could just be wrong.

Tigh is, for me, the most interesting character on the show.

[Alyeska]

Well I think people can stop talking about the Chief being a super soldier. He performs under combat stress, but he obviously isn't a Marine.

[Aeolus]

Oh, and is it 'frak' (or 'frack;) or 'frag' given the title of the episode? I've always heard it as a 'k' sound but ...

It's the former, ending with a K. Whether or not there's a C in the spelling, I'm not sure, tho.

Then why the title 'fragged'? Shouldn't it have been 'frakked' (or however you spell it)?

If you are getting it from just hearing it (like me), then it shows that I'm not crazy or deaf, but maybe in the script it's actually spelt 'frag'.

fragged means killed by your own men.. Baltar fragged Crashdown

[Steven Snyder]

I have a feeling Boomer is going to admit to being tested by Baltar. When this comes to light Baltar is going to have some explaining to do. Everyone would have to be retested.

RDM actually alluded to this possibility in one of his blogs...

"Is Baltar screwed now that it's somewhat obvious that his Cylon test either, one, did not work on Sharon or, two, he withheld the info that she was a Cylon?"

Baltar will have to deal with this the moment he returns to Galactica -- which won't happen right away.

Something else that is on my mind...

Ellen Tigh made an alliance with Tom Zarek in Season 1.
Tom Zarek was just unseated from his position of power by Colonel Tigh.
Where does this leave them?

[Grasscutter]

Cylon or not, that little look Ellen gave Col. Tigh at the end of their conversation about him having "unchallenged command" makes me wonder if she's going to try harming Adama... She's probably just disgusted at her husband's lack of ambition, but I wouldn't put it past her.

[Chmee]

How many people will use Tigh's "Your day's gonna come, laughing boy!" at work this week?

[John of the Dead]

And second; Akaramu Shinja if season two is the same episode length as season one (13 eps) then it shouldn't be too long before the above traspires.

Actually, I believe season two will be twenty episodes shown in two ten-episode chunks. The second ten episodes will start in January, much like the first season.

For more information, visit the BattleStar Wiki. Be warned, there's the possibility for spoilers. It does have great synopses of the episodes and a list of future episodes with a TVGuide-type blurb describing them.

[DocHorror]

That Wiki is strange, according to its timeline Tigh enlisted and served in the Cylon Wars when he was ten.

[Akaramu Shinja]

That Wiki is strange, according to its timeline Tigh enlisted and served in the Cylon Wars when he was ten.

When did Tigh serve in the Cylon War? Don't think he did.

[el blanco]

Didn't he and Adama serve in the same squadron during the previous Cylon War?

And I really think Baltar is a Cylon. It would make sense how 6 is in his head like that.

[Akaramu Shinja]

Didn't he and Adama serve in the same squadron during the previous Cylon War?

And I really think Baltar is a Cylon. It would make sense how 6 is in his head like that.

I don't think it was indicated in the series he was. And he certainly wasn't in the nBSG game for PS2 and Xbox. The history clips we did pick up seem to show that Adama left after the war, was on some kind of transport or similar where he met Tigh, then as we saw in the clips, he decided to get "back into" the navy. Eventually getting command and pulling Tigh in later. It probably was some kind of military transport or supply ship.

[Knife]

Didn't he and Adama serve in the same squadron during the previous Cylon War?

And I really think Baltar is a Cylon. It would make sense how 6 is in his head like that.

I don't think it was indicated in the series he was. And he certainly wasn't in the nBSG game for PS2 and Xbox. The history clips we did pick up seem to show that Adama left after the war, was on some kind of transport or similar where he met Tigh, then as we saw in the clips, he decided to get "back into" the navy. Eventually getting command and pulling Tigh in later. It probably was some kind of military transport or supply ship.

Nah, though I may be wrong, but what I got out of that episode was that Adama was an up and commer but got stuck on a 'transport' or 'lesser' ship that Tigh happened to be on. Even then, Tigh was a drunk and was fucking up his career because of it.

Adama moved on and drug Tigh kicking and screaming *as it were* and straightened his ass up enough and gave him a second chance. Whether or not this was after the Cylon wars? I don't know. When Adama got Tigh back into the service, Tigh was a captain and Adama was a major. At what point Adama made the leap from pilot to command duty, is up in the air.

[Darth Lucifer]

I'm sure I also heard Adama mention to Tigh in the nBSG 2k3 miniseries that Starbuck was "twice as good" as Tigh, when speaking about her piloting, which suggests Tigh has spent time in a Viper cockpit.