A slightly different scenario.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-08-01 02:59pm

Inspired by a thread that is not in The Hall of Shame I bring you a new twist to the startrek v starwars debate.

Ok standard worm hole event. Empire side is some were in the outer rim trek side is just inside federation controlled space.

Unlike normal however Thrawn find it first. He is in command of 20 stardestroyer and a normal number of support and smaller craft as well as a large number of ships capable of manufacturing hypermatter. He takes his fleet through and takes over most of the milky way (how he dose it is not important- say a lot of power fall in line with him and he gives them technology in return for there obedients.

He then has 20 year of relative peace. In which he will attempt to upgrade the Milky Way’s defences and infrastructure.

However at the end of the 20 years another empire captain finds the worm hole and this one (being more fanatical than Thrawn) reports it to the emperor (in this timeline the empire defeated the rebels).

How will the empire fair against and startrek galaxies complete with what ever starwars technology Thrawn has been able to implement in the 20 years he has been supreme ruler.

Side notes: the worm hole is too unstable to bring anything bigger than an Eclipse through.

Palps still thinks Thrawn is dead and is not aware he is leading the startrek galaxy. All he sees is what the captain and future expeditions will tell him.

There are force sensitive in the startrek galaxies but they are not what is thought of as physic powers.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 03:07pm

I'm sorry, as much as the Kind, Warm, Friendly, Part of me wants to give this to the Federation...

I can! they've got THRAWN leading them...

Hell... I'd give them a sporting chance with their original technology, but with SW Tech: The rest of the Star Wars Galaxy has no chance.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-08-01 03:20pm

I think Stravo might have something to say about this...

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 03:25pm

I'm surprised he hasn't already. though knowing my luck, this'll be posted seconds after his post.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-01 03:56pm

Thrawn still loses through superior forces.

He has nothing but a small fleet, and limited resources, and he has no way of upkeeping his current ship with anything but substandard equipment.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-08-01 04:00pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Thrawn still loses through superior forces.

He has nothing but a small fleet, and limited resources, and he has no way of upkeeping his current ship with anything but substandard equipment.

He had 10 years and the resources of an entire fleet don’t you think he could kick start some thing. If not how long would it take him to get the Milky Way up to scratch?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 04:01pm

Maybe if he had a World Devastator...

The 20 years would be enough to replace the Federation entirely and bulk up a second Galactic Empire.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-01 04:06pm

Glimmervoid wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Thrawn still loses through superior forces.

He has nothing but a small fleet, and limited resources, and he has no way of upkeeping his current ship with anything but substandard equipment.
He had 10 years and the resources of an entire fleet don’t you think he could kick start some thing. If not how long would it take him to get the Milky Way up to scratch?

They are going to upgrade even major ships a few orders of magnitude?

This is the same as going back to Rome with Patton with two Battleships and a platoon and saying can I compete with America of the 1950's.

This is just lack of knowledge of how bad the power generation technological gap there is between Star Wars and Trek and that 10 year is entirely incapable to backwards engineer any of their technology to a viable level.

Not to mention he only has five years of resources on his ISD, unless he lets them rot, and even then I doubt SW has 100% lack of degradation of their items while they sit there idling.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-08-01 04:17pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Glimmervoid wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Thrawn still loses through superior forces.

He has nothing but a small fleet, and limited resources, and he has no way of upkeeping his current ship with anything but substandard equipment.
He had 10 years and the resources of an entire fleet don’t you think he could kick start some thing. If not how long would it take him to get the Milky Way up to scratch?
They are going to upgrade even major ships a few orders of magnitude?

This is the same as going back to Rome with Patton with two Battleships and a platoon and saying can I compete with America of the 1950's.

This is just lack of knowledge of how bad the power generation technological gap there is between Star Wars and Trek and that 10 year is entirely incapable to backwards engineer any of their technology to a viable level.

Not to mention he only has five years of resources on his ISD, unless he lets them rot, and even then I doubt SW has 100% lack of degradation of their items while they sit there idling.

Ok you are right. I was not talking about up grading existing ships as much as building new once. I will ask you thing how long would it take to get things to a level were the Milky Way could resist (remembering that there is only so many ships that can come though a worm hole at one time and it would likely become a choke point).

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 04:18pm

The only way this situation would be doable, is if Thrawn has a world Devastator/other imperial production facility.

Then he can churn out enough starships to fill a sector!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-01 04:19pm

Glimmervoid wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
Glimmervoid wrote: He had 10 years and the resources of an entire fleet don’t you think he could kick start some thing. If not how long would it take him to get the Milky Way up to scratch?
They are going to upgrade even major ships a few orders of magnitude?

This is the same as going back to Rome with Patton with two Battleships and a platoon and saying can I compete with America of the 1950's.

This is just lack of knowledge of how bad the power generation technological gap there is between Star Wars and Trek and that 10 year is entirely incapable to backwards engineer any of their technology to a viable level.

Not to mention he only has five years of resources on his ISD, unless he lets them rot, and even then I doubt SW has 100% lack of degradation of their items while they sit there idling.
Ok you are right. I was not talking about up grading existing ships as much as building new once. I will ask you thing how long would it take to get things to a level were the Milky Way could resist (remembering that there is only so many ships that can come though a worm hole at one time and it would likely become a choke point).

If they had the technology?

Around the order of a few thousand years. You still need to create the technology to maintain and build, probably a closer estimate may be around ten thousand given it took SW thousands of years to develop the tech, the only leap Thrawn and company would have is they would have to reverse engineer the results, but also create the facilities and find the resources to build such things.

Hawkwings · Post by **Hawkwings** » 2005-08-01 04:53pm

*if* Thrawn had some sort of construction and mining capability, 10 years is a lot of time to prepare for the inevitable. Does Thrawn know they're coming though?

If he had a World Devastator, well, the Empire is screwed. At the end of 10 years prep time, you can build a lot with a world devastator. Like other world devastators.

Hawkwings · Post by **Hawkwings** » 2005-08-01 04:54pm

gack! I mean 20 years, like in the OP

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 04:54pm

So the Verdict is:

Without Devastators: Empire Wins!
With Devastators: Thrawn wins!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-01 06:42pm

Dakarne wrote:So the Verdict is:

Without Devastators: Empire Wins!
With Devastators: Thrawn wins!

Yes and no.

Without he's screwed.

With them he provides a fight, that will be far bloodier then anything ST would deliver noramlly. The only problem for the GE is getting through the wormhole and establishing a beach head...course at this point the choke point becomes the focal and the Emperor has more toys then Thrawn, even if he has Devastators.

So it becomes a much much much bloodier war.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 07:50pm

Yeah, it could tip either way with the World Devastators...

But since it only takes a year or two to build a Death Star.

Thrawn could just build ten of them!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-01 07:53pm

Dakarne wrote:Yeah, it could tip either way with the World Devastators...

But since it only takes a year or two to build a Death Star.

Thrawn could just build ten of them!

With the backing of the GE funneling resources. WDs are very nice, but they have yet to show the inclination of producing anything of that level of material in years span, and that's if they reach the size to actually produce all the needed raw material for the object in question.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 07:56pm

With the backing of the GE funneling resources. WDs are very nice, but they have yet to show the inclination of producing anything of that level of material in years span, and that's if they reach the size to actually produce all the needed raw material for the object in question.

It was worth a Try I suppose, though realistically, I'd just make a lot of Corellian Gunships... they're small, but they're tough little buggers. Like the SW version of the Defiant.

Hawkwings · Post by **Hawkwings** » 2005-08-01 08:56pm

this is *Thrawn* we're talking about here. He would probably get people to custom-design ships that are perfectly suited to whatever strategy he's going to use when the Empire invades.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-01 09:00pm

Hawkwings wrote:this is *Thrawn* we're talking about here. He would probably get people to custom-design ships that are perfectly suited to whatever strategy he's going to use when the Empire invades.

Alexander would not be able to win WW2 if all he had the Italian Army, no matter how much he pulls out of his ass.

Same situation.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2005-08-01 11:25pm

Surely with knowledge of the SW ships Thrawn might be able to adapt some of the nicer technologies of the Star Trek Universe and make them viable military strategies. He might be able to adapt cloaking devices, Borg adapting capabilities, replicating mines, genesis torpedoes, those torpedoes I saw in Stravo's fanfic that bounce (its late and I am drinking... sorry Stravo you rocked my world but I can't remember the name of the torpedoes!) and perhaps couple them with SW power ratings and really suprise the crap out of the Empire when it comes through.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-08-01 11:55pm

The Guid wrote:Surely with knowledge of the SW ships Thrawn might be able to adapt some of the nicer technologies of the Star Trek Universe and make them viable military strategies. He might be able to adapt cloaking devices, Borg adapting capabilities, replicating mines, genesis torpedoes, those torpedoes I saw in Stravo's fanfic that bounce (its late and I am drinking... sorry Stravo you rocked my world but I can't remember the name of the torpedoes!) and perhaps couple them with SW power ratings and really suprise the crap out of the Empire when it comes through.

Don't bother. This is SDN. Nothing from Trek will ever beat anything from Wars here, except maybe Borg cube vs. X wing. Believe me, I stopped trying long ago.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-02 12:09am

Junghalli wrote:
The Guid wrote:Surely with knowledge of the SW ships Thrawn might be able to adapt some of the nicer technologies of the Star Trek Universe and make them viable military strategies. He might be able to adapt cloaking devices, Borg adapting capabilities, replicating mines, genesis torpedoes, those torpedoes I saw in Stravo's fanfic that bounce (its late and I am drinking... sorry Stravo you rocked my world but I can't remember the name of the torpedoes!) and perhaps couple them with SW power ratings and really suprise the crap out of the Empire when it comes through.
Don't bother. This is SDN. Nothing from Trek will ever beat anything from Wars here, except maybe Borg cube vs. X wing. Believe me, I stopped trying long ago.

Blow off motherfucker.

If you can't fucking show proof that Trek can do shit or your pathetic grasp of science is so weak all you can do is whine and bitch about the site...there's the door, walk through it.

darth korte · Post by **darth korte** » 2005-08-03 07:07am

Dakarne wrote:Maybe if he had a World Devastator...

The 20 years would be enough to replace the Federation entirely and bulk up a second Galactic Empire.

...or star forge (but how dont ask me!)

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-03 07:08am

...or star forge (but how dont ask me!)

Time Travel and search for the Star Maps.

Of course, the coordinates would have to be prescise, very prescise.