How many ST Universes does it take to defeat SW?

[The Guid]

Presuming, as in ST, there are an infinite amount of parallel Universes and presuming that they are all called together by the technobabbolator/Q/Subspace anomoly/Plot error etc. to defeat the Empire in the SW Universe which for some reason can not pull the same trick.

How many replica (assuming near exact to standard ST plotline fleets are the only ones called) ST fleets do you need to take down the Empire?

We are also presuming that they are able to somehow form a chain of command which is not stupidly confused and they can work as effectively as a standard ST fleet would... ... OK perhaps slightly better than that.

I honestly have no idea. I guess its near 10,000 since i think I estimated it was something like 100 ships to take on a SW ship and SW have 100 more at a rough guess. I might be out of date on my latest Sw vs ST so please don't flame me if I am WAY off. Just curious.

[Ghost Rider]

Given we have no idea of how much occupies either universe, one really cannot say. Best guesses on ST sizes can range from mere low thousands to high thousands of ships versus the GE fleet being mid thousands to millions, to high millions.

[Dakarne]

Ahem:

Death Star

That is all I have to say on this issue.

[Mr Bean]

Ahem:

Death Star

That is all I have to say on this issue.

Assuming a near infinite amount of identical universes even the DS could be brought down by simply ramming a few hundred thousand parrell universe's worth of ships into it.


*Edit an I peg the number at Ten million. Assuming the Parrell universes(If they are all close to identical) work togther and the battle occurse in only one universe then with some half a billion ships then ST stands an excellent chance until such time as they have to attack the SW unvierse and all five billion crewmembers starve to death in route to their first target.

[Noble Ire]

I pegged it at 1 million times.
Though Mr. Bean does have a point about the problems supplying a fleet a million times larger than has ever existed in their universe before.

Someone voted for a single universe.

[Dakarne]

They were probably joking.

[Hot Hands Harry]

I think after the first thousand the Empire will be in trouble holding that much ground. The but if the Empire starts to use a lot of World Devastators they could do it. Will the rest of the ST universe be involved like the Borg (not that it will be much of a factor). What I’m wondering about is when will the Empire get tired and just start BDZ universes.

[wilfulton]

I think the treknoblabbalator would undergo spontaneous combustion long before it ejaculated enough universes to beat the Empire. I therefore abstain.

[Dakarne]

think the treknoblabbalator would undergo spontaneous combustion long before it ejaculated enough universes to beat the Empire. I therefore abstain.

That is so sigged!

now where did the 4 ppl who said: 1 Fed universe = Enough to beat the Empire come from?

[Utsanomiko]

There's always people like that lurking here.

[Dakarne]

yep... you get them everywhere

[Drooling Iguana]

Just keep flying ships into the black hole at the centre of the GFFA (assuming that, like our own galaxy, the Star Wars galaxy has a supermassive black hole at the centre) until the gravitational pull becomes so great as to pull the whole galaxy in.

Then keep sending ships in until you trigger a Big Crunch in the Star Wars universe, just to be safe.

[The Guid]

I guess you can take it anyway you like. Throw in the Borg for a laugh if you like and the Dominion for the white parties etc.

I was presuming that the universes would be able to supply their own ships. If its just an FTL issue I guess the Feds would have to just have so many ships that they can hold ground for about 100 years whilst they reverse engineer (come on... eventually they'd do it.)

[Junghalli]

If we can get five or six of Happy Target's Terran Empires in here things start to look up.

[Laird]

I wonder how many TOS connies could be built with all those resources....?

[Darth Fanboy]

I wonder how many useless posts it would take for this thread to get locked?

To the Original poster, I want to seriously ask if there is any point to this thread? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, is there anything that can be gained from discussing this or are you just trying to get some "cred" by coming up with another SW-wins scenario or showing the lopsided difference in tech?

[Dakarne]

I'd lock the thread, but I'm not a Moderator...

This is a bit pointless... best for the "Off Topic" or "Testing" areas.

[Dooey Jo]

Let's do some rough calculations from Mike's SWvST in 5 mins:

Phaser output of E-D: 3.6 GW
Shield heat dissipation of Acclamator: 70e12 GW
Number of E-Ds needed to bring down shields (in a one-second-strike):
70e12 / 3.6 = ~19e12

Number of Acclamators in GE: No idea. Let's be nice and say 50 000
Number of E-Ds to bring down Acclamator fleet:
19e12 * 5e4 = ~95e16

Number of ships equivalent to E-D in Star Trek:
(Note: all this is guesstimates)
1 GCS = 1 E-D
1 Borg Cude = ~20 E-Ds
1 Klingon BOP = ~1 E-D
Common fighters: ~0.1 E-Ds

Number of E-D equivalents:
1000 + 1e8*20 + 1500 + 10000*0.1 = ~2e9 ships (mostly Borg)
Note: I have no idea how many ships the Federation has, but it makes little difference since the Borg has several million ships (I think. I gave them 100 million ships here), and therefore represents the majority of the Milky Way's firepower.

ST-universes needed to bring down Acclamator fleet:
95e16 / 2e9 = ~48e7

And there you have it: 480 000 000 universes. If you had that many ships, Star Trek would win in one second. If the ST-ships would last, say an hour, against the GE-ships, then it would only take about 100 000 universes (ignoring that lots of ST-ships would be destroyed too, which would lead to a differential equation and an even higher figure. Also ignoring that there are many more ships than that in the GFFA).

Conclusion: It's impossible to tell. Perhaps ten million sound reasonable enough?

[Dakarne]

Wow... an actual answer...

Warp Speed Ramming would cut costs considerably

[WyrdNyrd]

Wow... an actual answer...

Warp Speed Ramming would cut costs considerably

No!No! No! No! Nooooooo!

Not the warp-speed ramming! Not again! Please!

Seriously, this has been raised several times on this forum, and the quick answer is, "If warp-ramming was so cool, how-come it was never used, ever?"

[Bounty]

1 GCS = 1 E-D

The war GCS (ie, the DS9 variant) is slightly higher then the E-D because of the extra phaser strips and improved warp core.

1 Klingon BOP = ~1 E-D

More like ~0.25. The Generations battle was the exception rather then the rule.

Remember, the standard 110m variant was considered inferior to a Constitution - even with upgrades it should be, at best, somewhat less then equivalent to an upgraded Miranda.

A better idea would be to use the newer Vor'cha or Negh'var, which are IIRC equal to a GCS.

[Dakarne]

Wow... the Warp Ramming (lightning Strike) really hits a nerve with you guys eh?

[WyrdNyrd]

Wow... the Warp Ramming (lightning Strike) really hits a nerve with you guys eh?

It's just that several "trektards" have brought it up as an uber tactic that will single-handedly swing the balance in Trek's favour.

I suspect that "warp ramming" will soon join "no lasers" as a topic that will instantly bring groans of dispair to the lips of the pro-Wars crowd. I just exaggerated my response because, well, I felt like being melodramtic.

[Dakarne]

Heh... I can see it as being used as a Last Ditch effort. But the Particle Shields on the Star Destroyers might just make the offending Ships Bounce off.

That would be so funny to watch... I've got to get 3D Studio Max JUST so I can now animate that.

[The Guid]

I wonder how many useless posts it would take for this thread to get locked?

To the Original poster, I want to seriously ask if there is any point to this thread? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, is there anything that can be gained from discussing this or are you just trying to get some "cred" by coming up with another SW-wins scenario or showing the lopsided difference in tech?

Off Topic Angry Reply:There's bugger all point in discussing any SW vs. ST scenario at all. We do it because its enjoyable and perhaps informative. If you were so offended by the thread you could have just ignored it. I am amazed also that you think me so fucking sad and petty that I post things just to gain credibility (which was the word you were looking for by the way) from people I will never meet. Maybe you're just projecting.

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Thank you Dooey Jo, that's the kind of thing I was looking for. I thought it might be amusing/interesting to take a look at that sort of thing. It really is as bad for ST as I had thought. Blimey.