The new world

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

What I want to know is why this thread isn't in HoS yet.

[Surlethe]

What I want to know is why this thread isn't in HoS yet.

That's a good question.

[Son of the Suns]

Ask, and ye shall recieve.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Still, it's one of the more interesting threads I've seen in my limited time here. Does this kind of thing happen often, and I'm just missing it?

[DPDarkPrimus]

Still, it's one of the more interesting threads I've seen in my limited time here. Does this kind of thing happen often, and I'm just missing it?

Idiots appearing is more or less common. Entertaining ones are much more rare. Ones who actually pay to post- that's new to me.

[Lord Zentei]

I cannot possibly answer every question and I am not sure I even want to. Most of the writters here seem ok with the ways things are and you should just move on. If on the other hand some of you wish to hear me out without all the hatefull remarks then I will continue to respond.

Oh, boo-hoo. You're breaking my heart.

Yes I stand against your way of life and I recommend a combination of several systems to achieve peace and prosperity. Socialism for the basics, communisum for land ownership and capitalisum for work effort.

Yes, we have established this already. What you have failed to do repeadedly is to demonstrate in which way this combination would be effective and workable, and that peace will result from it. How the hell is communism for land ownership neccesary? How does peace follow from socialism? Are you able to present your model in a quantitative manner or are you just spouting rhetoric?

Implants can only work in a non violent system at which time I highly recommend them. It takes the mystery out of what happened to people and reveals their history to health care providers.

Would you mind clarifying what the flying fuck you are trying to say here?

We have all the technology that we need to solve every problem this world has I see no reason why we should not distribute such advantages.

It's not just a matter of technology, it is a matter of efficient resource allocation. An economy is far more complex a system than you realize and interdependancies abound. Every time you seek an activist approach you will incur side effects to the aggregate, and therefore I reiterate WHERE IS YOUR QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS? Someone will have to pay for those resources, either through money, labour or lost opportunities.

Internet computers and cell phones make life much easier but most cannot afford it so give it away for free and you wont need to drive children to school they can learn at home.

This is just retarded. Computers and cell phones have been plummeting in price for years. Most people can in fact afford them. And how the hell would it make schools redundant? Why do you think rich families still send their kids to school? Beacause they learn more that way, that's why.

And I do have a cure for cancer it is called an end to stress in the home at work and at play.

Your ignorance of biology is as astounding as your ignorance of economics.

I love the beach and I want to use it in the best way possible I leave that decision up to engineers and scientists what to build there but it would not be a flea market.

Each time you restrict a person from a resorce with lines on the map you start a war which is why I do not approve of ownership. What gives you the right to restrict a persons movement on the earth?

I have asked you to provide proof for your claim that ownership starts wars on numerous occations. All you have done is repeat your bullshit claim over and over again. Incidentally, ownership is not restricted to lines on a map, dumbass.

That is one of the reasons why I see you in court so often. It may take a lawyer at my side to present my point but I demolish your best lawyers and judges in court every time.

Kid, you have never seen me in court.

Judge Daniel Winslow is the senior advisor to the governor of Massachusetts and I have stood against and defeated him in court about 8 times and I took on the rest of his band of organized criminals at least another 10 times.

Blah, blah, blah.

Is ti a waste of taxpayers money to defend criminals that call themselves honorable. They cheat, lie, violate laws, wreck homes and steal constantly and no one tries to stop them but me. If you have a lawyer out there in your so called intellectual forum please research Wrentham Ma. VS James Murphy Dkt# 9857cr2993 and 9857cr2988 they are both trials at the millenium that ensued as a result of threats that I countered agaist your evil system.

Blah, blah, blah.

What do I look like a secretary. I have done many, many things that no other person can do regardless of whether you think it was important.

Knife has already demolished your bullshit regarding your millitary service and your prowess at sports. Care to provide some new evidence for your superhumanity? If not, this is just pointless bluster. In any case your claims to superhumanity are moot if your ideas are bullshit.

You think a banker is important and I say currency is dirty and heavy. I want to automatic banking and go electronic and offer your wasteful pencil pushers a real job.

Oh, so now services are not a "real job"? How the hell do you define a "real job", might I ask? And are you aware of the number of people that work behind the scenes to make automatic banking work? Are their jobs not "real"?

Sorry I dont know how to write in word and post in here. Why dont you have a spell and grammer check? Too lazy or not enough manpower?

This is fucking hilarious. You are accusing the admins of being "lazy" for not providing you with a spellchecker so you won't have to spellcheck your own posts. HA HA HAA!! But surely you can manage to use fucking paragraphs, can't you? It's really easy: whenever you are done writing about a particular topic, you hit the "Enter" key a couple of times before starting to type again.

Either way I stand against leaving people to work without the proper tools. Its the same as the computer and phone thing for all at no charge.

NO FREE LUNCH dumbfuck. Someone will have to pay for them.

[Ghost Rider]

Because work is dead at the moment and I want to try this translation fun out.

I cannot possibly answer every question and I am not sure I even want to.

-WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LOVE ME?!!!!

Most of the writters here seem ok with the ways things are and you should just move on. If on the other hand some of you wish to hear me out without all the hatefull remarks then I will continue to respond.

-But if you want to hear about my latest hallucination...

Yes I stand against your way of life and I recommend a combination of several systems to achieve peace and prosperity. Socialism for the basics, communisum for land ownership and capitalisum for work effort. Implants can only work in a non violent system at which time I highly recommend them. It takes the mystery out of what happened to people and reveals their history to health care providers.

-I read on a lot of site these buzzwords and the meaning the webmasters gave, I thought they would be cool!

We have all the technology that we need to solve every problem this world has I see no reason why we should not distribute such advantages.

-I envision a world that is free of money!

Internet computers and cell phones make life much easier but most cannot afford it so give it away for free and you wont need to drive children to school they can learn at home.

-You see just like in Star Trek, and oh yeah there will be teleporters as well!

And I do have a cure for cancer it is called an end to stress in the home at work and at play.

-Oh yeah modern medical science is full of idiots for not seeing the obvious. I learned this off a yoga site!

I love the beach and I want to use it in the best way possible I leave that decision up to engineers and scientists what to build there but it would not be a flea market.

-I really love the beach, but I digress.

Each time you restrict a person from a resorce with lines on the map you start a war which is why I do not approve of ownership. What gives you the right to restrict a persons movement on the earth?

-I've divined that people don't understand that all things on this planet are not really ours and we are hurting mother Earth and she is unhappy. When I was ten my mom told me this!

That is one of the reasons why I see you in court so often. It may take a lawyer at my side to present my point but I demolish your best lawyers and judges in court every time. Judge Daniel Winslow is the senior advisor to the governor of Massachusetts and I have stood against and defeated him in court about 8 times and I took on the rest of his band of organized criminals at least another 10 times. Is ti a waste of taxpayers money to defend criminals that call themselves honorable. They cheat, lie, violate laws, wreck homes and steal constantly and no one tries to stop them but me. If you have a lawyer out there in your so called intellectual forum please research Wrentham Ma. VS James Murphy Dkt# 9857cr2993 and 9857cr2988 they are both trials at the millenium that ensued as a result of threats that I countered agaist your evil system.

-I'm the BATMAN!

What do I look like a secretary. I have done many, many things that no other person can do regardless of whether you think it was important.

-No, wait...Superman!....I think.

You think a banker is important and I say currency is dirty and heavy. I want to automatic banking and go electronic and offer your wasteful pencil pushers a real job.

-I'll throw in this bit of everything should be automated.

Sorry I dont know how to write in word and post in here. Why dont you have a spell and grammer check? Too lazy or not enough manpower? Either way I stand against leaving people to work without the proper tools. Its the same as the computer and phone thing for all at no charge.

I am on a public computer, and am disappointed such sites that do not go out of their way to accomadate me!

[Mark S]

And here I was waiting for his 'cure for cancer and AIDS' to be killing everyone who has them or something equally horrific. Pleasently, it turns out he's just an idiot.

[Jake99]

I cannot possibly answer every question and I am not sure I even want to. Most of the writters here seem ok with the ways things are and you should just move on.

Translation: "I'm too much of a wuss to put the effort into one-on-one debate; furthermore, I'm just fine with being unable to back up my opinion with facts, and if you think that's bad, you should just move on."


You have put in much effort asking me to back up what I say the least I can do is the best I know how to answer them.

If on the other hand some of you wish to hear me out without all the hatefull remarks then I will continue to respond.

If you start debating properly, I will drop the flames unless you continue with any invalid debating technique. However, as it stands, I will continue to flame you, because you have not demonstrated the courtesy of supporting your opinion up with evidence in a proper debate. When you claimed to be the messiah, you lost my respect. Now you have to earn it back; so, don't whine like a spanked child, but rather, debate like a man.


I always stand up like a man and I will try and debate in a way that is possitive. I have never backed down to anyone and I have been challenged by many.

Yes I stand against your way of life and I recommend a combination of several systems to achieve peace and prosperity. Socialism for the basics, communisum for land ownership and capitalisum for work effort.

ROTFLMAO!! You have no fucking idea of what you're talking about. Capitalism for the work force? Communism for land ownership? Socialism for the "basics"? You're a fucking idiot. I'll bet you have no idea why these don't go together, do you? Well, for starters: communism doesn't apply solely to land. Furthermore, a communal approach (which is what I assume you mean, even though you're not intelligent enough to understand the difference) will completely undermine the capitalist work force you propose; private ownership is a staple of capitalism. If everybody "owns" everything, then there's no point in allowing the free market to allocate resources, because such allocation implictly presumes trade; if resources are commonly owned, trade cannot take place.

I say you dont have the legal right to own land so you have no legal choice but to communize it. I do very well in court and I believe I can win on this matter as well. And I know we have plenty of resorses, and I know we are wasteful. The least we can do is build a system that provides the basics without all the red tape. I am not interested in a free market it is full of small inefficient and destructive businesses. I want to run large environmentally sound manufacturing and service industries. Just provide the manpower and submit your orders and the resorses will be allocated in the most efficient way possible.

Furthermore, common resources will take away incentives for people to work, giving the false impression the resources are not scarce (though I wouldn't expect a mere troll like you to understand the concept of "scarce resources").

Scarce resorses are luxuries earn them by working not by trading.


Universal welfare has several problems, moron, which are big enough to drive a fucking starfleet through:


You are running into all kinds of road blocks with the systems that do not work in an attempt to get help to everyone anyway.

1) Someone has to pay for the service. If the government prints more money, inflation occurs, which is bad. The government is either going to employ slave labor (communism), or it's going to incur significant debts, because it will be distributing resources without compensation.


The government I speak of has no money and distributes no money and gets no compensation for distribution. If I can send it to you I will and if I cannot I will tel you why and try and make it available in the future. All people have the right to resorses that are attainable and reasonable.


2) The government is going to be very, very inefficient in its distribution. It can distribute based on need (in which case, it's not much different from what we have now), but that's not what you're is proposing with your hardcore communist wet-dream utopian posts; rather, you wants this monster to distribute in an egalitarian manner, giving resources equally to everyone. We all know that will never happen, because of the very nature of bureaucratic inefficiencies: everyone in the entire system will try to cover their asses, and they'll be susceptible to bribes, and in general, the system will run like cold lava, leaving everyone out in the cold.


The government would be tiny in comparison to what it is now and no one would be hiding anything. Bureaucratic inefficiencies and covering your ass are what needs to go, have you not seen enough of the corruption in government?


In general, governments have no business planning economies.

I dont have an economy and I do not encourage tourisum and gambling to support one. Get your salesman off the roads off the airways and off the environment. Restrict product demonstrations to the internet and look it up in the web Yellow pages. Take down all the advertisements we no longer need. It sickens me to watch a baseball game and all I see is the park filled with banner advertisements. If that is what you wish to continue then I stand against your ways.


In your full-blown communist scenario, the state takes away the means of the people to work and generate wealth. This means the state automatically assumes everybody's responsibility, and that totally fucks over the system.

Earn points just as you do money and buy whatever you want and we will send it to you as directly as possible. Vote on what you want and critique every product you get so we can make them better or disscontinue them. I dont want to build junk but that is what this system allows which ends up as a wasteful endeavor.

Finally, you are stupid enough to think a capitalist work force will suffice to produce goods. Unfortunately, you have to pay the workers, becasue capitalism implies incentives to work, which is precisely what socialism and communal ownership of resources take away.

An incentive to work would be the luxuries you recieve just as it is today.

QED, fucktard.

Implants can only work in a non violent system at which time I highly recommend them.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It takes the mystery out of what happened to people and reveals their history to health care providers. We have all the technology that we need to solve every problem this world has I see no reason why we should not distribute such advantages.

1: Technology. No, we don't.


I see no problem that we are not capable of solving through the improvement of manpower and resorses. We cannot travel very far through space yet but that is just a greater effort away. Transfer the bankers and salesman to space technology and the goal gets much closer to reality. I hate salesman but I love engineers.


2: Why not distribute such advantages? Because people respond to incentives. On small scales, such as when life is threatened, it's all right; but to give people things they didn't earn? Recipe for disaster. You claim to be 50, and you don't realize this? Yeah, right. It's more like you're a 13 year old masturbating to socialism. Furthermore, people who actually work and produce the commodities you propose redistributing are going to feel cheated, and will not have incentives to continue work. Got that, moron?


You earned the resorses of this planet just by being born, the luxuries are still the incentive to work. And besides most people inherently like to pitch in and earn their keep. Someday we will pay you to stay home because it is more efficient. And someday you may not even ask to be paid because the world will be so wonderful to work for.

Internet computers and cell phones make life much easier but most cannot afford it so give it away for free and you wont need to drive children to school they can learn at home.

I have pointed it out before; I will point it out again:

THERE IS NO FUCKING FREE LUNCH, DIPSHIT


I call being a salesman not only a free lunch but a weapon of mass destruction and a crime against humanity. I would much rather give them a free lunch than let them continue. What I had in mind was different job opportunities so they can live well without causing so much harm to others.

Your idealistic wet dream is worth jack shit, because somebody has to pay for the commodities. Somebody has to make them. The world, quite simply, does not work like that.


I have every intention of paying people electronically and even automatically. As long as you are in a work environment you will be paid your hourly or whatever rate. GPS can facilitate that easily.

And I do have a cure for cancer it is called an end to stress in the home at work and at play.

Ah, so now cancer is caused by stress. You're an idiot; not only do you pretend to be Jesus, you pretend to be a fucking doctor.

I cure health problems with environmental improvements all the time, but that does not mean I am a doctor. A healer can be far more valuable than a doctor. You dont need a doctor if your mind and body are treated with respect and care.

I love the beach and I want to use it in the best way possible I leave that decision up to engineers and scientists what to build there but it would not be a flea market.

Why not? Flea markets tend to facilitate trade, thus making everyone better off.


Flea markets are small business and I would be done with all of them. Your so called trade is nothing more than a theft and a perpetual war against mankind.

Each time you restrict a person from a resorce with lines on the map you start a war which is why I do not approve of ownership.

Because Canada, with one of the world's largest deposits of oil sands, is at war with the United States, the world's largest consumer of oil. Same with Saudi Arabia. Riight.


The only reason why we need so much oil is because we use it inefficiently. And what is worse we pollute at a rate that is dispicable as a result. Most of the travel in this country is unnessesary and the rest is inefficient. The internet can greatly reduce the need to travel and my simple system reduces it further. Go to the beach and take the train, not to the bank in a car.


Your delusions don't extend beyond adolescent wet dreams, moron. In the adult world, people trade for resources, which, in turn, if you had taken even a basic economics class, makes everybody better off.

I went to your economics class when I was a child and I saw something I did not agree with so I tried it my way and it worked perfectly. Your Junior acievement way of life as it was modeled after requires tremendous support and mine requires very little. The salesman, banker, taxman and investor I do not need and since I do not want to make a profit the accounting gets much easier as well.

What gives you the right to restrict a persons movement on the earth?

Security issues, and not much else, you stultus baichi.

That is where implants and GPS cell phones come in and free movement is the only legal thing you can do. I dont know where you think you have the right to put up borders but you dont.

That is one of the reasons why I see you in court so often. It may take a lawyer at my side to present my point but I demolish your best lawyers and judges in court every time.

Bullshit. Your side of this economics argument has no merit. No lawyer worth his salt would take up such a case?

Of course not they already know I plan to rain on their evil parade and they are just as stubborn to change as you are. I have backed them into corners before and I will do it again its just a matter of time.

Judge Daniel Winslow is the senior advisor to the governor of Massachusetts and I have stood against and defeated him in court about 8 times and I took on the rest of his band of organized criminals at least another 10 times.

Why? Because you're not competent to stand trial?

I stood trial twice and was found to be way more competant than the prosecution and the judges.And that came from the mouths of their doctors not mine

Is ti a waste of taxpayers money to defend criminals that call themselves honorable. They cheat, lie, violate laws, wreck homes and steal constantly and no one tries to stop them but me.

Ah, vigilante justice. Obviously, you've never heard of a little thing we like to call the BILL OF RIGHTS. Try reading it some time.

I used it in every way which is what protected me. Its time to put an old and failing judicial system to bed forever. Those men in jail do not belong there its the system that put them there that does.

If you have a lawyer out there in your so called intellectual forum please research Wrentham Ma. VS James Murphy Dkt# 9857cr2993 and 9857cr2988 they are both trials at the millenium that ensued as a result of threats that I countered agaist your evil system.

I think I will leave this little portion up to people more qualified to deal with them, but I smell bullshit. Google doesn't return anything.

What do I look like a secretary. I have done many, many things that no other person can do regardless of whether you think it was important.

Ah-ah-ah... ah-CHOOH! Pardon me, my allergies are acting up: I'm allergic to bullshit.

You think a banker is important and I say currency is dirty and heavy.

"You think money is the root of all evil? Have you asked what is the root of money?" Money is a necessity, idiot. It is an integral part of any civilization.

I am just talking of another kind of money, and earning it through work effort not the sale of resorses and products.

I want to automatic banking and go electronic and offer your wasteful pencil pushers a real job.

What the fuck do you think bankers are doing right now? You think they can go to automatic banking like that? *snaps fingers*

Sorry I dont know how to write in word and post in here.

Or, you could just go to google, you dogshit troll, and search "spell checker", and check your posts in any of the results. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, asshat.

Why dont you have a spell and grammer check? Too lazy or not enough manpower?

Not enough manpower on the part of this forum to provide one and I am not an experienced email type person. Google and word spell check things are not my thing.


Or maybe the administrators actually have jobs? I wouldn't attack admins. if I were you; they can ban you. Moron; read the fucking rules.

Either way I stand against leaving people to work without the proper tools.

Of course, in a free market, the concept of which is no doubt foreign to you, people don't have to work without proper tools; there will be someone else they can work for. Moron.

I have been in many work ares that do not provide the proper tools, it leads to accidents and inefficiencies.

Its the same as the computer and phone thing for all at no charge.

Ah; I see the real reason you support these atrocious distribution systems. You can't pay your phone bills, can you? Hahahah! Idiot troll.

I see simple systems and services as a gift to all.

In conclusion why do you use so many foul words? If you want to have a conversation be kind at least. You Pelican!

[DrkHelmet]

I see simple systems and services as a gift to all.

In conclusion why do you use so many foul words? If you want to have a conversation be kind at least. You Pelican!

I still didn't get that simple system. It made no logical sense.

In conclusion, if you want to have a conversation, learn to use punctuation.

Oh no! Not a Pelican! *flaps his arms* Can I be an eagle?

[Kamakazie Sith]

In conclusion why do you use so many foul words? If you want to have a conversation be kind at least. You Pelican!

I have a feeling you'll be banned soon. Once people start bringing up how mean we are then it's usually a sign that their time is almost up. I suggest you focus on the arguments being presented and ignore the insults, or insult them back along with a rebuttal. Just a piece of advice.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

In conclusion why do you use so many foul words? If you want to have a conversation be kind at least. You Pelican!

Lessee here, style-over-substance, ad homenem, and general whiny bitching. Yup, it's CLOWN BALLOON Time!

[Darth Wong]

Jake99, that individual took the time and effort to answer every single one of your points, and you responded by ignoring 99% of his post in order to dismiss it because it contains foul language. That goes beyond rudeness and into the realm of rampant assholery. Please answer his points. That $10 donation does not get you infinite leeway, nor was it ever promised to.

[Zero]

Jake99, you haven't made a coherant argument yet, or said anything of any redeeming value. You just make various claims without backing them up. Hell, I even PMed you some questions that a messiah should be able to answer. You're just a worthless moron. You've lived an average life at best, and you're leading no one.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I think I had another stroke.

[Lord Zentei]

I see simple systems and services as a gift to all.

WHAT SIMPLE SYSTEM? You have yet to answer my challenges. How do you mean to fund your programmes? How do you intend to ensure economic efficiency with a state run agricultural sector? Describe how this system will be implemented and enforced. Explain how trade and ownership causes wars. All you have done thus far is to repeat your claims over and over without justification or evidence.

In conclusion why do you use so many foul words? If you want to have a conversation be kind at least.

I submit you should check this out: Linka

You Pelican!

Wow, that was a devastating rebuttal. OH NO SURLETHE!! HE CALLED YOU A PELICAN!!1

[Darth Wong]

I see simple systems and services as a gift to all.

WHAT SIMPLE SYSTEM?

Actually, that was a spelling error on his part. He meant to say "simple-minded systems".

[Lord Zentei]

I see simple systems and services as a gift to all.

WHAT SIMPLE SYSTEM?

Actually, that was a spelling error on his part. He meant to say "simple-minded systems".

Ah, that explains everything.

That was what you meant, wasn't it Jake?

Jake...? Yoo-hoo, Jesus-boy, where are you...?

[Surlethe]

Motherfuck. Is it so fucking hard to reply my points outside the quotes?

You have put in much effort asking me to back up what I say the least I can do is the best I know how to answer them.

Then answer them properly. Bolded font within a quote is not proper.

I always stand up like a man and I will try and debate in a way that is possitive. I have never backed down to anyone and I have been challenged by many.

Good. Let's see what you have, then. I also expect you to answer Lord Zentei's challenge.

I say you dont have the legal right to own land so you have no legal choice but to communize it.

So you are now the supreme law of the land? Heaven help us.

I do very well in court and I believe I can win on this matter as well.

That (if it is true, which I doubt) doesn't give you the right to legislate.

And I know we have plenty of resorses, and I know we are wasteful.

We have plenty of resources? Bullshit. There is a reason resources are called scarce.

The least we can do is build a system that provides the basics without all the red tape.

The least we can do is honor human nature, rather than denying it. You can't adequately provide all the basics, for reasons I've discussed.

I am not interested in a free market it is full of small inefficient and destructive businesses.

You've never heard of the Invisible HandTM, have you? Try researching it sometime, before you come whining about how the free market is inefficient.

I want to run large environmentally sound manufacturing and service industries. Just provide the manpower and submit your orders and the resorses will be allocated in the most efficient way possible.

Supply and demand are the most efficient ways to allocate resources: markets naturally gravitate toward the most efficient allocation of resources. This concept is over two hundred years old; get with the times.

Scarce resorses are luxuries earn them by working not by trading.

Get a clue:

WORK = TRADE

You are running into all kinds of road blocks with the systems that do not work in an attempt to get help to everyone anyway.

Could that be because the majority of people don't need help?

The government I speak of has no money and distributes no money and gets no compensation for distribution. If I can send it to you I will and if I cannot I will tel you why and try and make it available in the future. All people have the right to resorses that are attainable and reasonable.

No money? No medium of trade? Are you fucking insane? Western civilization is built on money.

The government would be tiny in comparison to what it is now and no one would be hiding anything. Bureaucratic inefficiencies and covering your ass are what needs to go, have you not seen enough of the corruption in government?

Bureaucratic inefficiencies and covering asses are direct results of human nature; are you unaware of the desire not to lose your job?

I dont have an economy and I do not encourage tourisum and gambling to support one. Get your salesman off the roads off the airways and off the environment.

No economy? No method of distributing scarce resources? Learn what a word means before you toss it around.

Restrict product demonstrations to the internet and look it up in the web Yellow pages. Take down all the advertisements we no longer need. It sickens me to watch a baseball game and all I see is the park filled with banner advertisements. If that is what you wish to continue then I stand against your ways.[/b]

So advertising is your problem with a free market?

Earn points just as you do money and buy whatever you want and we will send it to you as directly as possible.

So points are the new money. I thought you wanted to do away with money. Self contradictions; par for the course in debunking Jake99.

Vote on what you want and critique every product you get so we can make them better or disscontinue them. I dont want to build junk but that is what this system allows which ends up as a wasteful endeavor.

The way people vote for what they want now is by buying those commodities. Isn't that wonderfully efficient? Instead of buying and then voting, you vote and buy simultaneously! The same effect, in half the time! But, it turns out you're too stupid to realize that.

I see no problem that we are not capable of solving through the improvement of manpower and resorses. We cannot travel very far through space yet but that is just a greater effort away. Transfer the bankers and salesman to space technology and the goal gets much closer to reality. I hate salesman but I love engineers.

Do you know why we're not in space now? Because it's not economically feasible. That fact will not change; if the government puts more resources into spaceflight, two things will happen:

1) The rest of the economy will suffer

2) The government will lose the money it sinks into the space program, because there simply is not a viable return on the investment.

Of course, I don't expect you to understand this; you're the one who believes the government should distribute basics to everybody.

You earned the resorses of this planet just by being born, the luxuries are still the incentive to work.

There is no philosophical, moral, or objective way to justify this assertion.

And besides most people inherently like to pitch in and earn their keep.

Bullshit. When you were a kid, did you like to do your chores?

Someday we will pay you to stay home because it is more efficient. And someday you may not even ask to be paid because the world will be so wonderful to work for.

You don't seriously believe this asshattery, do you?

I call being a salesman not only a free lunch but a weapon of mass destruction and a crime against humanity.

Thank you for entirely missing my point, fucktard. This point and the next are red herrings.

I would much rather give them a free lunch than let them continue. What I had in mind was different job opportunities so they can live well without causing so much harm to others.

As opposed to...? Justify the fact they cause harm.

I have every intention of paying people electronically and even automatically. As long as you are in a work environment you will be paid your hourly or whatever rate. GPS can facilitate that easily.

So you do give them money? You're a moron. What are they going to do with that money outside of work? By removing the value of money, you're removing the incentive to work, idiot.

I cure health problems with environmental improvements all the time, but that does not mean I am a doctor. A healer can be far more valuable than a doctor. You dont need a doctor if your mind and body are treated with respect and care.

Tell that to the husband of a lady who dies in a car accident.

Flea markets are small business and I would be done with all of them. Your so called trade is nothing more than a theft and a perpetual war against mankind.

Your so-called mind is nothing more than creamed bullshit stirred in with a bit of stoat semen, assfucker. Yet again, you demonstrate nothing more than your abominable ignorance of basic economics.

The only reason why we need so much oil is because we use it inefficiently. And what is worse we pollute at a rate that is dispicable as a result. Most of the travel in this country is unnessesary and the rest is inefficient. The internet can greatly reduce the need to travel and my simple system reduces it further. Go to the beach and take the train, not to the bank in a car.

The only reason we need so much oil, actually, is because we use metric fucktons of it. The reason we pollute is because there is no economic incentive not to, and plenty to do so. And you find yourself spouting yet another communist platform: socialize transportation. You do realize what that will do, right? Probably not; you're a moron.

I went to your economics class when I was a child and I saw something I did not agree with so I tried it my way and it worked perfectly. Your Junior acievement way of life as it was modeled after requires tremendous support and mine requires very little. The salesman, banker, taxman and investor I do not need and since I do not want to make a profit the accounting gets much easier as well.

Well, I looked at your face, and I saw something I disagreed with. That doesn't make it any less true, and what you're doing right now is sitting and covering your ears and saying "WAH WAH WAH, I DON'T LIKE IT."

News for you, child:

THAT'S THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS. GET USED TO IT.

Now crawl back under the bridge, you slimy piece of trolling dogshit.

That is where implants and GPS cell phones come in and free movement is the only legal thing you can do. I dont know where you think you have the right to put up borders but you dont.

Oh, so instead of borders, you're going to monitor every fucking human being's movement. Really nice way to give us freedom.

Of course not they already know I plan to rain on their evil parade and they are just as stubborn to change as you are. I have backed them into corners before and I will do it again its just a matter of time.

I'd like to see you back me into a corner logically. In fact, I'll bet you a zillion dollars you can't do it. You know why I do this? Three reasons: (a) you're a moron; (b) you're a moron; (c) your position has no merit.

Oh, yes. (d) you're a moron.

I stood trial twice and was found to be way more competant than the prosecution and the judges.And that came from the mouths of their doctors not mine

Bullshit. Back it up.

I used it in every way which is what protected me. Its time to put an old and failing judicial system to bed forever. Those men in jail do not belong there its the system that put them there that does.

So that's why you stood trial: the justice system (which has kept the peace in the United States for centuries) isn't good enough for you. I defy you to prove the system is failing.

I am just talking of another kind of money, and earning it through work effort not the sale of resorses and products.

THEY'RE THE FUCKING SAME THING. WORK AND SALE OF RESOURCES ARE THE SAME THING! Furthermore -- ah, fuckit. Your red herring is too stupid to follow up.

Not enough manpower on the part of this forum to provide one and I am not an experienced email type person. Google and word spell check things are not my thing.

Rewritten: "I am too fucking lazy to spell check my posts; the forum should coddle me by doing it for me, rather than me getting off my lazy ass to make my points understandable."

I have been in many work ares that do not provide the proper tools, it leads to accidents and inefficiencies.

Then, for fuck's sake, get another fucking job! This isn't communism; this is a capitalist economey.

I see simple systems and services as a gift to all.

In conclusion why do you use so many foul words? If you want to have a conversation be kind at least. You Pelican!

You fucktard. You asshatted communist. You lying, trolling, little piece of shit. You're worthless, you understand me? You have less knowledge of economics than one of my ass hairs. I challenge you to debate me, and you reply with a half-assed job, addressing three quarters of my points with red herrings, and ignoring the rest, in an insulting manner which took more work than simply replying to my quotes, while clearly demonstrating you are aware of how quotes work, and then you have the temerity to ask me to be polite.

Your position, as anybody with a microgram of intelligence and economic sense can tell, is completely untenable. You propose doing away with money, providing universal welfare, and then claim such a system will be efficient, people will have the incentive to work without money, and a free market is actually inefficient. Furthermore, you don't understand the concept of "THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH".

Here is my condensed reply:

EITHER MAKE COHERENT POINTS, YOU FLAMING SHITHAIRED FUCKTARD, OR CONCEDE DEFEAT

[SecondStorm]

Im worried for you Jake.

[J]

It seems like Jake has been watching a bit too much Star Trek....

[Mark S]

At this point I personally think the whole economics thing is a lost cause. I would just like Jake to list these grand achievements he's so vaguely alluded to, these 'things no other man has done.' I'm interested in hearing what these are.

[muse]

What if Stewie was a loopy new-age cultist?

I think I've found the answer to that question...

[Erik von Nein]

Good crap, this is still going on? This kid's making my head hurt. Oie.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Don't worry, he'll be banned soon enough.