Give us ten thousand years

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-03 07:14am

We've all heard the annoying "Give us tens of thousands of years!" Arguement from the Trekkies.

What if we were to actually give them Tens of thousands of years... wouldn't they just be using Hyperdrives and Turbolasers?

And if the Federation went back to the Early days of the Republic, would the Republic use Phasers and Warp Drive?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2005-08-03 07:23am

Dakarne wrote:We've all heard the annoying "Give us tens of thousands of years!" Arguement from the Trekkies.

What if we were to actually give them Tens of thousands of years... wouldn't they just be using Hyperdrives and Turbolasers?

And if the Federation went back to the Early days of the Republic, would the Republic use Phasers and Warp Drive?

The Republic has been in a technological stagnation for some years. If they want back to the Old Republic days then they would still be using turbolasers and shielding.

That said when in history has any sci-fi race ever been giving ten thousand years(Or even five hundred years) to prepare for the fight of its life with all will bent towards that goal?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-08-03 07:24am

We've all heard the annoying "Give us tens of thousands of years!" Arguement from the Trekkies.

I haven't.

What if we were to actually give them Tens of thousands of years... wouldn't they just be using Hyperdrives and Turbolasers?

Why assume that development of these technologies would be identical in two different galaxies ?

And if the Federation went back to the Early days of the Republic, would the Republic use Phasers and Warp Drive?

Again, why assume that the Wars-verse ever came up with these technologies ?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-03 07:24am

I don't think there's ever been one, the closest example is 5th Element.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-08-03 07:33am

Give Iraq ten thousand years and it will kick the shit out of the 21st century American army!

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-03 07:39am

That's why we aren't giving Iraq 10,000 years...

I was just mentioning it as a thought.

Again, why assume that the Wars-verse ever came up with these technologies ?

They'd probably use equivalents... slow Hyperdrive and Weak Turbolasers, while the Federation would use Strong Phasers and Fast Warp Drive...

Either way, the result is the same.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-08-03 07:45am

They'd probably use equivalents... slow Hyperdrive and Weak Turbolasers, while the Federation would use Strong Phasers and Fast Warp Drive...

Oh really ? You are able to accurately predict the technological, sociological, political and biological changes for an inteire universe over a period of 10,000 years, and conclude that "the result is the same" ?

Bravo.

There is no way to know what Trekverse will look like in 10k years. It could be anything from Culture-level wanktech to no tech at all.

The very idea is utterly useless...12K AD Trek wouldn't even be Trek anymore...

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-03 07:48am

Actually... I wasn't saying that the result is the same... the topic is only half serious.

I was saying, given enough time, and go back enough time, there were points where they'd be considered equal.

Of course, that'll never happen if the Empire invades during the TNG Era...

The very idea is utterly useless...12K AD Trek wouldn't even be Trek anymore...

It'd be Startrek the 2004015151th Generation!

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2005-08-03 08:03am

Darth Wong wrote:Give Iraq ten thousand years and it will kick the shit out of the 21st century American army!

This is presuming they don't kick the crap out of each other first?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-03 08:09am

Of course, the 21st Century AMERICAN army matters little to me, I'm a bit of a Patriot, but I'd be much more involved if it were the 21st Century British Army!

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-08-03 08:20am

Dakarne wrote:Of course, the 21st Century AMERICAN army matters little to me, I'm a bit of a Patriot, but I'd be much more involved if it were the 21st Century British Army!

Look sir, Spam!

Related to the thread OP, we can't predict the far future, but in the near term barring massive discoveries, Trek has no chance to adapt.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-03 08:21am

Related to the thread OP, we can't predict the far future, but in the near term barring massive discoveries, Trek has no chance to adapt.

The Massive Discoveries in question would have to be an abandoned Star Forge

Kenoshi · Post by **Kenoshi** » 2005-08-04 03:12am

Given how things usually work out in the Trek universe, in ten thousand years time wouldn't they have all evolved into beings of pure energy or something? They'd be too busy touching each other's bottoms in a higher dimension to worry about fighting with anyone.

Dark · Post by **Dark** » 2005-08-04 04:23am

in 10.000 years the trek verse will have destroyed it's self.

Why?

Because theres just to many hostile rases all out to be the big boys.

If it went my way then the borg would now have assimilated the hole Delta and Gamma Q's and the Alpha and Beta Q's have banded together to fight them.......But this is all just in my over imaginative mind.

But SW still win because i dont think even with 10.000 years thay could ever have any thing to match a Deathstar.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-04 04:55am

Given how things usually work out in the Trek universe, in ten thousand years time wouldn't they have all evolved into beings of pure energy or something? They'd be too busy touching each other's bottoms in a higher dimension to worry about fighting with anyone.

Okay, that was funny.

If it went my way then the borg would now have assimilated the hole Delta and Gamma Q's and the Alpha and Beta Q's have banded together to fight them.......But this is all just in my over imaginative mind.

I imagine that the Federation WOULD destroy itself... Hell, a Technobabblator Device used by another side would just make the unstable warp cores do their best impressions of a Supernova.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-04 09:23am

Dakarne wrote:We've all heard the annoying "Give us tens of thousands of years!" Arguement from the Trekkies.

What if we were to actually give them Tens of thousands of years... wouldn't they just be using Hyperdrives and Turbolasers?

And if the Federation went back to the Early days of the Republic, would the Republic use Phasers and Warp Drive?

For the record, Star Wars is actually at least 500,000 years ahead of the present day in terms of technological development and advancement.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-04 10:50am

Probably...

Depends, how would you know how long it takes do develop said technologies.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2005-08-04 12:46pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:For the record, Star Wars is actually at least 500,000 years ahead of the present day in terms of technological development and advancement.

I would like to hear the reasoning behind this estimate.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-08-04 03:05pm

Kenoshi wrote:Given how things usually work out in the Trek universe, in ten thousand years time wouldn't they have all evolved into beings of pure energy or something? They'd be too busy touching each other's bottoms in a higher dimension to worry about fighting with anyone.

LOL!!! I forgot about that! It did seem every time you turned around someone was turning into 'Beings of pure energy'

Thats the Trekverse for you.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-08-04 03:17pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:For the record, Star Wars is actually at least 500,000 years ahead of the present day in terms of technological development and advancement.
I would like to hear the reasoning behind this estimate.

IIRC, there are some sources which say that the SW galaxy has had space travel for as much as half a million years. Which, if correct, would indeed put our current level of development at roughly half a million years in their past.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2005-08-04 03:44pm

Darth Wong wrote:IIRC, there are some sources which say that the SW galaxy has had space travel for as much as half a million years. Which, if correct, would indeed put our current level of development at roughly half a million years in their past.

Ah, I see. It appears I misinterpreted Spanky's post somewhat.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-04 03:51pm

Okay... that's sort of settled.. the Federation would probably have "Evolved" by then.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-08-04 05:26pm

Dakarne wrote:The Massive Discoveries in question would have to be an abandoned Star Forge

Well, there is omega matter. It's supposed to be some kind of awesome power source. Maybe if they figured out a way to harness it.
Of course, it wouldn't be the Federation to do that, because omega matter is dangerous and they're so pussy not only will they not expiriment with it they have standing orders to destroy it on sight.

Dark wrote:in 10.000 years the trek verse will have destroyed it's self.
Why?
Because theres just to many hostile rases all out to be the big boys.

The way I figure it there's two possible ways the Trekverse could look in a couple of tens of thousands of years.

(1)The Federation destroys the Borg and gradually expands and absorbs all its neighbors and enemies until it becomes a galactic empire. Eventually all the species merge into one through interbreeding, and we end up with something very much like the Foundationverse GE.

(2)The Borg gradually assimilate everything until the entire galaxy is consumed into their hive mind. Then they start sending out cubes to the other galaxies, because expanding is what they do.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2005-08-04 05:40pm

That said when in history has any sci-fi race ever been giving ten thousand years(Or even five hundred years) to prepare for the fight of its life with all will bent towards that goal?

The Xeelee of Baxter had almost literally unlimited time to fight the photino birds (on the order of at least 50 billion years). They still lost. But Baxter likes to plan longer than other Sci-fi writers. The Downtimers have to worry about proton decay, and other races have similar multi-million year histories.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-04 10:07pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Sir Sirius wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:For the record, Star Wars is actually at least 500,000 years ahead of the present day in terms of technological development and advancement.
I would like to hear the reasoning behind this estimate.
IIRC, there are some sources which say that the SW galaxy has had space travel for as much as half a million years. Which, if correct, would indeed put our current level of development at roughly half a million years in their past.

500,000 years is when the Devaronians are stated to have star-travelling capability, from Galaxy Guide 4.

That's the earliest citation I could find which explicitely states a species' development of interstellar travel, although in the same book it's also stated that the Columi were among the first in the Galaxy to develop interstellar flight two million years ago, they soon after isolated themselves from the galactic community for a long time. For that reason I prefer to cite the Devaronian development instead.

For an additional, less definitive citation, there's also the sublight drive patent-fueled Bith civil war on Clak'Dor VII that involved bio-chem weapons occuring a million years ago...

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